#indieweb 2018-02-21

2018-02-21 UTC
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Daiweico
Anyone here?
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KartikPrabhu
hi Daiweico
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Daiweico
Hi there! I am looking for a direction. I would love to run my own MicroPub server. Where could I go to get one?
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GWG
I'm here
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KartikPrabhu
Daiweico: depends on what code you are running on your site
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Daiweico
I run either Jekyll or Hugo.
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Daiweico
I am using both at the moment.
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KartikPrabhu
Daiweico: maybe check out this page https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Servers
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KartikPrabhu
there seem to be both Jekyll and Hugo on it
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Daiweico
KartikPrabhu, I went there.
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Daiweico
It is not the easiest place to find what I am after.
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KartikPrabhu
linked from the table of contents
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KartikPrabhu
unless you are not looking for Micropub servers (?)
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Daiweico
Any MicroPub I have come across, still requires Indieweb tokens. I want to avoid that as well.
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KartikPrabhu
the authorisation in micropub is done using indieauth. If you want to avoid that you might have to build your own
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Daiweico
So, I also need an authorization server?
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Daiweico
Is Indieauth open sourced?
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GWG
There is a public server if you want
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KartikPrabhu
Daiweico: indieauth the protocol is open
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Daiweico
GWG, is it simple an OpenID endpoint, or is it something else?
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk^^
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GWG
Daiweico: It is similar. Indieauth is an identity layer on top of the OAuth specification
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Daiweico
Kartik, I am not a programmer. I will not be able to do much with an open protocol. :-)
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KartikPrabhu
Daiweico: hopefully aaronpk can help out. and don't worry I am not a programmer either
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aaronpk
in order to use micropub apps, you'll need to point to an indieauth server. you don't have to run your own, you can use some publicly hosted ones instead
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aaronpk
if you try to sign in to https://quill.p3k.io it will walk you through it
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Loqi
Quill
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Daiweico
aaronpk, where can I find the code, and instructions to run my own?
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aaronpk
there are several options to choose from
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Daiweico
listens… :-)
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aaronpk
hm why do we not have an easy list of authorization server software you can run :)
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: no idea which is why I asked you to intevene :P
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GWG
I need to finish writing my implementation
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Daiweico
https://indieauth.com/setup# has a Github link that doesn't go there.
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Loqi
IndieAuth.com
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KartikPrabhu
actually all those links are broken
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Daiweico
Actually, none of the links on the right top menu column works.
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aaronpk
hehe that's just a demo of my site, not supposed to be functioning links
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KartikPrabhu
oh! that is not a menu! it is an example
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aaronpk
guess that should be a screenshot instead
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KartikPrabhu
that is no menu!
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Daiweico
Ah!
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Loqi
[aaronpk] IndieAuth.com: IndieAuth: Sign in with your domain name
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Daiweico
Loqi, I want to run my own.
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KartikPrabhu
Daiweico: Loqi is a bot who is giving descriptions of the links
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aaronpk
yes that one or https://github.com/inklings-io/selfauth which is probably easier to run
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Loqi
[Inklings-io] selfauth: self-hosted auth_endpoint using simple login mechanism
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Daiweico
Kartik, oh, duh! Thanks!
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Daiweico
aaronpk, thanks, appreciate it.
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aaronpk
that said, I do not recommend starting this process by running your own authorization endpoint. it's much easier to run your own micropub endpoint and point to indieauth.com in the mean time
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aaronpk
like I said earlier, if you start trying to log in to quill.p3k.io it will walk you through the steaps
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Daiweico
aaronpk through the steps towards running my own IndieAuth, or using my domain to login? If it is the second, I know how to, it isn't what I am after right now. I used to run my own OpenID, so, as microblogging grows, I want to run the new "standard." :-)
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aaronpk
it will walk you through the steps of getting micropub running on your website
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aaronpk
you can swap out the indieauth.com hosted services with your own later after you get the micropub endpoint running
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Daiweico
Right, using indieauth.com tokens, correct?
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aaronpk
it makes things easier to start that way
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Daiweico
Oh, I can make it work straight with my own micropub endpoint, but I have bookmarked the site. Thanks much!
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Daiweico
It seems it isn't too different from OpenID, using meta tags on own website.
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aaronpk
in that sense, yes. the protocol itself is much simpler.
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Daiweico
Excellent.
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Daiweico
Empty.
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KartikPrabhu
verified ^
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aaronpk
that's odd, that was supposed to redirect
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aaronpk
oh I see what happened
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aaronpk
fixed! thank you
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Daiweico
:-)
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Daiweico
Off I go. Thanks for the help again, mates, appreciated!
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@sdepolo
@HMAuerbach Oh, I didn't realize how into crochet you are. Do you know @HeidiMercury's friend PK? She's a knitting genius. Funny thing, since her GoDaddy site is down, I can't find how to connect you two on Instagram, and she's not on Twitter. (the case for #indieweb)
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@sdepolo
Freaking out about #TwitterLockOut? ℹ️ You should do more than post a rant on #socialMedia. ▶️ The case for #indieWeb https://indieweb.org/why https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DWixcutVwAAgGVj.jpg
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[markmhendrickso
@Zegnat true! BTW when is the next virtual HWC?
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[markmhendrickso
And separately, [eddie] it's exciting to see you working on an iOS micropub client – I will definitely use it once ready for testing
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dgold
"TwitterLockOut"??
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dgold
qu'est-ce que c'est?
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dgold
<- chat
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat
!tell [markmhendrickson] I was unable to attend vHWC this month, but if nothing weird happens virtual HWC should be back next month (or if someone else wants to host it, of course!)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[markmhendrickso
And gmorning
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[markmhendrickso
@Zegnat Sounds good!
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "🎧 This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition" on 2018-02-21 https://mrkrndvs.tumblr.com/post/171123903942
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@joeld
@pieratt It would be worth your while to look into the #IndieWeb movement https://indiewebify.me
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Indie websites can set you free from the constraints of social media" by Ben Werdmuller on 2018-02-21 https://www.godaddy.com/garage/indie-websites-can-set-you-free-from-the-constraints-of-social-media/
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Indie websites can set you free from the constraints of social media - The Garage" https://www.godaddy.com/garage/indie-websites-can-set-you-free-from-the-constraints-of-social-media/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2018/02/21/3/)
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[eddie]
[markmhendrickson] thanks! Basic Micropub support is in the app, Note posting, uploading photos to media endpoint, adding categories and syndication targets. There are some random bugs but that existing functionality is definitely currently being tested. If you’d like to join the beta feel free to enter your info here: http://eepurl.com/c-SlfP
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[markmhendrickso
[eddie] Great! I've submitted my info
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[eddie]
Awesome, you should receive a beta invite in your email sometime today
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Bringing Out the Worst In Us" by Khürt Williams on 2018-02-21 https://tracking.feedpress.it/link/1771/8344358
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snarfed
tantek: thanks! issues are up to you. those two are on my list, i'll get to them either way
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snarfed
(damn wrong channel :P)
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "This Monday I got GitHub issue comments working from my website with @Falcon (prev 2 posts) reply to GH issue on my site -> Bridgy -> POSSE to GitHub Still figuring out some POSSE details (images,links) but looking good! Thanks @schnarfed! #indieweb" on 2018-02-21 http://tantek.com/2018/052/t2/monday-github-issue-commenting
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@t
This Monday I got GitHub issue comments working from my website with @Falcon (prev 2 posts) reply to GH issue on my site -&gt; Bridgy -&gt; POSSE to GitHub Still figuring out some POSSE details (images,links) but looking good! Thanks @schnarfed! #indieweb http://tantek.com/t4t32
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tantek
^^^ and I've confirmed I didn't break my "normal" posting flow :)
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tantek
now I'm starting to wonder about the broader UX question
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tantek
how will *other* folks on GitHub threads react to the (Originally posted at: ... )
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tantek
(since pretty sure this is a very new thing, except for a few issues that aaronpk commented on ages ago)
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tantek
and specifically, other folks *outside* indieweb circles
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tanlaan
Good morning Indieweb
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snarfed
morning!
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gRegorLove
o/ tanlaan
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KartikPrabhu
hi tanlaan
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Loqi
morning!
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi you're late!
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tanlaan
haha, quite a few people on at the moment. That's awesome :)
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Loqi
hahahaha
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snarfed
tantek: almost makes me want to support POSSEing comments etc to *private* repos, since it's more reasonable to let someone make an individual comment public (and not expose the rest of the thread), but it'd probably still raise eyebrows and spark debate
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tantek
snarfed, I think such comments would still break the potential expectation of privacy of even the *existence* of a private issue
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KartikPrabhu
yeah I don't think going to private repos with a public comment is a good idea
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snarfed
hmm maybe! or of the repo itself. even if only the repo owner, name, and number are exposed. (depends on the person's display)
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tantek
right
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snarfed
not at all bridgy dependent though. i wonder if we have examples of crossing the boundary like that already. i bet at least some exist
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tantek
Though I'd be interested in anyone who figured out how to do an indieweb private comment on a private GitHub repo like that with an "audience" that is a proper subset of the original issue audience
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tantek
(even just manually)
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KartikPrabhu
oooo sounds complicated
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tantek
private posts are hard, yes
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KartikPrabhu
has anyone implemented audience on their site?
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KartikPrabhu
what is audience?
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Loqi
audience is an experimental property of a post that indicates the intended recipients (readers) of the post https://indieweb.org/audience
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tantek
aaronpk has
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tantek
though in another way, to public email lists
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tantek
which is also an itch for me
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KartikPrabhu
yeah aaronpk has audience but his own posts are public so I can see them
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tantek
right, different use of audience
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snarfed
fwiw bridgy publish github definitely allows you to comment or file an issue on a private repo right now
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snarfed
backfeed is public only, but not publish
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snarfed
(semi intentional :P)
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@jkphl
Homebrew Website Clubbing in Nuremberg ... #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWlA7AeWAAA2xuv.jpg
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tantek
jkphl++
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Loqi
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@sdepolo
➡️ Over-reliance on social networks is dangerous. ➡️ Publishing on your own domain is more important than ever. ➡️ Join the #indieweb movement and set your business free. https://www.godaddy.com/garage/indie-websites-can-set-you-free-from-the-constraints-of-social-media/ via @benwerd
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tantek
that better mean benwerd and sdepolo are coming to HWC SF tonight :)
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chrisaldrich
Is anyone besides possibly rhiaro posting purchases or buys on their website?
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chrisaldrich
What is a purchase?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "purchase" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "purchase is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich
What is buy?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "buy" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "buy is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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rhiaro
I call them 'acquire'
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Loqi
rhiaro: sl007 left you a message on 2018-01-23 at 2:11pm UTC: : just wrote some JSON Schema for ActivityPub : https://github.com/redaktor/ActivityPubSchema
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chrisaldrich
Anyone aware of any documentation on these or similar terms?
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chrisaldrich
Ideas on what to "officially" call such a /posts ?
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rhiaro
Stored as an activitystreams 2 extension
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KartikPrabhu
purchase post sounds good
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chrisaldrich
Is anyone else using them in activitystreams?
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chrisaldrich
GWG has a somewhat similar wishes post kind in Post Kinds Plugin that uses a shopping cart icon.
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chrisaldrich
KartikPrabhu, purchase seemed most appropriate to me as well.
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chrisaldrich
I'd bought a few books and larger acquisitions lately that I wanted to document so it's become an itch.
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chrisaldrich
I probably won't go as all-in as rhiaro, but for larger purchases that I intend to keep on a more permanent basis, it could be useful.
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tantek
rhiaro: have you documented the extension somewhere?
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tantek
curious what terms you're using
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chrisaldrich
What is a wishlist?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "wishlist" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "wishlist is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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rhiaro
Yeah I forget where I left my vocab docs. In transit right now, will look later
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chrisaldrich
What is a wish?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "wish" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "wish is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
chrisaldrich: also potentially useful as a form of self-accountability for acquiring stuff
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rhiaro
Well maybe. I'm in transit til Friday really
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rhiaro
Oh, I did it cos anomalily did it
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chrisaldrich
Yes definitely. I know people who keep running lists or inventories of what they own as a means of limiting possessions.
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rhiaro
She called it 'conspicuous consumption'
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tantek
oh yeah! chrisaldrich, check out anomalily's site
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tantek
rhiaro: I thought that phrase already had a meaning
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chrisaldrich
I was also thinking about anomalily's work as well, though I think more of hers are for her "annual report" rather than individual posts.
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tantek
sounds more like "conscious consumption"
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chrisaldrich
She doesn't do posts does she?
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chrisaldrich
Who is anomalily?
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rhiaro
I think she did it through 2016
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chrisaldrich
What Loqi? No links for the lazy?
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rhiaro
I call it acquire because it also includes gifts, donations, found things
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chrisaldrich
I've got a small wishlist that I'd started a while back... http://boffosocko.com/kind/wish/
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rhiaro
Conscious and conspicuous both work.. Public posts make it conspicuous
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chrisaldrich
Similar to a gift registry for weddings, birthdays and such which I think are common on websites like Amazon and many shopping sites which make them explicit and conspicuous as well.
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rhiaro
I suppose this means I need a log entry for the sweatpants I stole from my sister's room this week which she'll never see again
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chrisaldrich
rhiaro, it seems like I've seen posts about your moving in the past and "unfettering" do those have similar "purge" posts? ;)
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rhiaro
Only regular blog posts
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snarfed
some silo has a culture of people posting these publicly, right? venmo?
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Loqi
[Chris Aldrich] Review and notes from The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up: The Japanese Art of Decluttering and Organizing by Marie Kondo
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rhiaro
I'm down to a 40l backpack and due an update recently
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rhiaro
I took a picture of all my stuff earlier
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chrisaldrich
Jason Calacani had invested in a silo that linked your credit card and made posts about explicit purchases, but I don't remember what it was called and think it has since folded.
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rhiaro
For that purpose
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chrisaldrich
I ran across a silo called Every Day Carry a while back that was also related: http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/30/everyday-carry-december-2017/
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Loqi
[Chris Aldrich] Everyday Carry December 2017
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rhiaro
I always mean to do individual purge type logs but always end up leaving it too late
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chrisaldrich
It felt like a conspicuous consumption site focused on knives, phones, tools, pens, and pencils. :)
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chrisaldrich
rhiaro, those are definitely tougher to do if you do them in large chunks just before a move!
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chrisaldrich
I'm still not completely settled after shifting houses in September.
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chrisaldrich
If anyone has further thoughts, feel free to throw them here in the chat. I'll try to organize some of them and make a relevant page or two tonight at homebrew website club.
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rhiaro
Last year I ended up leaving stuff basically everywhere I stopped. I wish I'd kept better track
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chrisaldrich
Somewhere I've made a few checkin posts at donation shops like Goodwill or Salvation Army which include photos of some of my donations. Though those don't always have a complete list of things gotten rid of.
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chrisaldrich
I seem to recall Facebook having a generic post type for life changes like acquiring a pet. Does anyone know what they call those?
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rhiaro
Yeah. I have hasty photos of bags of stuff
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chrisaldrich
I want to say they're bundled under the heading of "Life Event"
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chrisaldrich
What is a registry?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "registry" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "registry is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich
I'm leaning towards calling them acquisition posts as this subsumes purchases as well as others as rhiaro suggests.
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chrisaldrich
What is a life event?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "life event" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "life event is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich
Dawns on me that many of my checkin posts also have acquisitions as well, though many of them are as photos which are saved privately on my sites's back end.
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chrisaldrich
Coincidentally? I've just gotten my second spam phone call this morning to open up a credit card. Makes me wonder if my IRC chats are being watched...
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chrisaldrich
Note: Goodreads has a checkmark field for "I own a copy of this book" with additional fields for "condition" "Original purchase location" and "original purchase date"
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chrisaldrich
amazon also has similar fields as as a header at the top of product pages indicating the date you last purchased an item if you've previously purchased it.
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chrisaldrich
They also keep lists of past purchases in a feedlike fashion
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@calum_ryan
Indie websites can set you free from the constraints of social media - https://www.godaddy.com/garage/indie-websites-can-set-you-free-from-the-constraints-of-social-media/ Great post by @benwerd making the case for IndieWeb (https://calumryan.com/note/1382)
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chrisaldrich
The credit card silo I was thinking about earlier is Blippy: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/blippy-social-commerce
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tantek
rhiaro: 40l is very impressive. I did my week long Costa Rica trip with everything in a 26l backpack, except for my yoga mat: http://tantek.com/2018/023/t1/what-packed-week-away
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] What I packed for a week away to a #yoga retreat @PosadaNatura Costa Rica.* carried mat and @TheNorthFace KABAN backpack* everything else fit inside backpack#neverstopexploring #minimal #thingsarrangedneatly #insidemybag #packing #travel #latergram #... https://igx.4sqi.net/img/general/original/476_vfeizzhIzsCKeLsnzm4hNVXghQfVWIJh0ksEtKPTHuU.jpg
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rhiaro
Next stop 26l :)
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rhiaro
My laptop peripherals take so much space
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rhiaro
And socks are shockingly bulky. I should probably ditch some
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rhiaro
It'll be easier when I'm in warm places again
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tantek
rhiaro: I could have gone for longer (than a week), I had reached a good equilibrium of wash/re-use. I'd run out of vitamins first, then soap/shampoo
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tantek
and yes it was pretty warm in Costa Rica, though I wore both a cotton hoodie and that reflective water-resistant hoodie jacket that I have, so I could have survived colder temps too
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tantek
oh wait I just realized the reflective water-resistant hoodie jacket is actually rolled up in the photo because I ended up being able to pack it on the return
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tantek
(somehow was able to pack more densely coming back? which is not usually the case I've found)
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tantek
rhiaro for socks I found 3 pairs fit all my use-cases, and could wash/dry as needed: 1. thin and short "smart wool" (lime green in the photo), 2. short black running socks (wore), and 3. medium length Stance trail running socks (the colorful ones on the right side of the photo with the two black stripes).
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tantek
maybe this is more #indiechat
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tantek
what is discardia
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "discardia" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "discardia is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
what is discard
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "discard" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "discard is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
I have posted in the past about donating / purging stuff
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] decided to purge stuff not part of building positive futures, donated5 lbs clothes20 CDs10 lbs 10y+ old technology booksA good start. Going to set aside a few things to donate every day, clustering them into canvas bags. When a bag is full (or nothin...
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tantek
rhiaro: do you post when you donate or otherwise dispose of items acquired?
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tantek
does anyone else publish such donation posts?
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tantek
what is donate
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Loqi
open collective is a service for collecting donations and transparently tracking how the money is used https://indieweb.org/donate
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tantek
what is a donation
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "donation" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "donation is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
ok I thought for sure we had those
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tantek
chrisaldrich do you post what / when you donate stuff?
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Loqi
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Loqi
[Chris Aldrich] Review and notes from The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up: The Japanese Art of Decluttering and Organizing by Marie Kondo
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tantek
(I have it and the sequel and have only thumbed through them)
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tantek
what is Everyday Carry?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Everyday Carry" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Everyday Carry is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
what is a patron
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "patron" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "patron is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
what is patronage
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "patronage" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "patronage is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek
hmm thought we had that too
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tantek
donation is a rare type of post, often just a note, indicating an act of giving items or money to another person, or organization.
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tantek
donation << pledge
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Loqi
ok, I added "[[pledge]]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /donation
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tantek
donation << donate
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Loqi
ok, I added "[[open collective]]" to the "See Also" section of /donation
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tantek
!tell rhiaro,chrisaldrich if you have posts on your site for acts of donation (stuff or $), add them to https://indieweb.org/donation#IndieWeb_Examples
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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chrisaldrich
tantek, mine are typically checkins with related photos, but without itemized lists,
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Loqi
chrisaldrich: tantek left you a message 20 minutes ago: if you have posts on your site for acts of donation (stuff or $), add them to https://indieweb.org/donation#IndieWeb_Examples
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chrisaldrich
what is acquisition?
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Loqi
An acquisition within the IndieWeb is a type of post that enumerates purchases, gifts, donations, (stolen?!), and found things potentially with additional information like photos, descriptions, specifications, price paid, date/time acquired, location acquired from, and condition https://indieweb.org/acquisition
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chrisaldrich
I'll circle around to ^^ this later this evening to clean it up, but if others want to add to it.
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chrisaldrich
I'll also try to add examples of donations as well.
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tantek
great
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@swentel
Configured webmention and pingback using http://webmention.io - now let those backlinks come in :) Next up, local micro blog and integrating https://brid.gy/ #IndieWeb
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[kevinmarks]
New twitter api rules may limit posse: Automation and the use of multiple accounts http://nzzl.us/wQTM4ht via @nuzzel
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aaronpk
doesnt twitter own tweetdeck now? tweetdeck does exactly this: "your service should not permit a user to select several accounts they control from which to publish a given Tweet."
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Loqi
benwerd has 115 karma in this channel (141 overall)
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tantek
what is TwitterLockOut
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "TwitterLockOut" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "TwitterLockOut is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jjuran
aaronpk: I guess they mean “*your* service should not” do that.
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@egoexpress
Had some interesting discussions at todays Homebrew Website Club. And I even got some stuff done. Come join us next time! #indieweb #hwc https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/966374994476523520
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tantek
jjuran: no this is covered in the article "Users of TweetDeck will no longer be able to select multiple accounts through which to perform an action such as Tweeting, Retweeting, liking, or following."
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GWG
chrisaldrich, acegiak asked for wishes.
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jjuran
Isn’t that a meta-wish?
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Multi posse looks like this #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2018-02-21 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/multi-posse-looks-like-this-indieweb
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Multiple silo selection looks like this #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2018-02-21 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/multiple-silo-selection-looks-like-this-indieweb
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@wimleers
@swentel @arianek @indiewebcamp Yep, it seems like the time is now right. The level of disgust and frustration with the giant walled social gardens needed to reach a critical mass first I think :)
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