#indieweb 2018-02-28

2018-02-28 UTC
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tantek what is a notification
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Loqi notifications in the context of the IndieWeb refer to all forms and ways that an independent web site can receive a message indicating something of interest (server notifications), and potentially relay that information (preferably in realtime) to one or more devices used by the owner of that site (client notifications) https://indieweb.org/notification
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tantek notification << 2018-02-27 New York Times: [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/magazine/red-dots-badge-phones-notification.html How Tiny Red Dots Took Over Your Life]
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-02-27 New York Times: [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/magazine/red-dots-badge-phones-notification.html How Tiny Red Dots Took Over Your Life]" to the "See Also" section of /notification
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[eddie] [cleverdevil] do you put your “on this day” posts in their own channel, or do you put them in “notifications”? How do you like the way you’ve set it up?
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anto Hi, are there any out-of-the-box indieweb CMS distributions?
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anto is wishing for a Drupal distribution that supports IndieWeb straight out of the box. :)
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KartikPrabhu anto: not sure about Drupal
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KartikPrabhu what is Drupal
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Loqi Drupal is a popular open source content management system https://indieweb.org/Drupal
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KartikPrabhu maybe check there ^
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KartikPrabhu there is Known and many plugins for wordpress
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KartikPrabhu what is Known?
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Loqi Known is an open publishing / community platform project https://indieweb.org/Known
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KartikPrabhu what is Wordpress?
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Loqi WordPress is open source CMS software used by many on the Indieweb as well as a blog hosting service https://indieweb.org/WordPress
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GWG Did someone say WordPress?
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anto It would be good if we had something that anyone could easily get deploy to a hosting space, fire up in the web browser, enter some very minimal initial configuration, and get started with publishing, without worrying about adding additional modules/plugins.
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KartikPrabhu yes it would be good and also hard to build
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anto KartikPrabhu: checking out Known
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anto Thank You!
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KartikPrabhu anto sure thing
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anto Drupal allows creating such "distributions". I used to work with Drupal 7 earlier, but that's a bit outdated and will get phased out. Will try to learn more about how we could get a Drupal 8 distribution rolling, supporting indieweb out of the box.
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KartikPrabhu anto: sounds awesome
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@jonathanprozzi Join us next Weds 3/7 for Homebrew Website Club Baltimore @HWCBaltimore Weds. 3/7, 7:30pm - 8:30 with optional writing hour at 6:30pm https://jonathanprozzi.net/indieweb/homebrew-website-club-baltimore-march-7-2018/ (twitter.com/_/status/968678103177457664)
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@veganstraightedge The @verotruesocial logomark V looks a lot the @indiewebcamp logomark IWC that I designed. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXFyBdCUQAIXFiQ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/968680770205134848)
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@sdepolo Live #hotTubChat on #indieWeb #netNuetrality https://www.pscp.tv/w/bWTbHDFkdkVPUm1HTWxqWGV8MVprSnpWZ015YmRKdgEtP_g4b-cjOFX_FLWuF0zKXnXGGaWF8d9uPPTPXczi (twitter.com/_/status/968710001031344128)
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@sdepolo Feel the heat 🔥🔥🔥 #netNeutrality and #indieweb jam in a hot tub ♨️♨️♨️♨️ https://www.pscp.tv/w/bWTcGjFkdkVPUm1HTWxqWGV8MUJSSmpyYXp5YWVKd_q5WHdilgFllEtVZ4I3XQ2thJBs5Eek_IPaqgL-2xIo (twitter.com/_/status/968711067739348992)
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[miklb] o_O
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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matigo Hello there :)
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jeremycherfas Surprise!
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb! I'm afraid I will not be doing vHWC yet next week as I will be travelling to the Netherlands 🙁
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Zegnat I was really hoping to get the ball rolling again
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Zegnat Might just do it as soon as I get back, but that'll be pending.
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jeremych_ That's a disappointment zegnat, but I fully understand.
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jeremych_ I also do not think I can take on hosting duties. Maybe there will be another one in a slightly sutiable timeslot.
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Zegnat It's not a for fun trip, so the disappointment is mutual.
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Zegnat Do let me know if there are timeslots that fit you better overall jeremych_! I know petermolnar might also like the timeslot to move a bit.
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jeremych_ I'm OK with current slot. Later would be a problem, interfering with dinner. Earlier I can manage.
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petermolnar I'd certainly prefer a later time slot; the current one starts while I'm still at work
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@sglwillread “Inspired by Aaron's "100 Days of Indieweb", I'm aiming for 100 days of visible improvements to my IndieWeb projects.” http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/starting-100daysofindieweb (twitter.com/_/status/968793025785843712)
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Zegnat I think ancarda might also like it a bit later. I have also thought of just letting it run longer. We'll see. I'll have a bit of a check in with everyone when I get back.
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jeremych_ I'm OK with a later start, just won't be able to stay as long.
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ancarda Loqi: any messages?
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ancarda Hmm, I guess not. IRCCloud had a badge next to #indieweb for some reason
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ancarda Zegnat: I see a mention from you?
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Zegnat Was discussing vHWC and if people prefered different time slots
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ancarda Oh, I see. Sadly, I'm even more awkward now than I used to be lol
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ancarda My new job has some flexitime, where if I get to work for 8:30 AM, I leave at 5:00 PM. 9:00 -> 5:30 PM, or 9:30 -> 6:00 PM
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ancarda Right now? I'm lucky to get in for 10 AM given all the snow causing train problems
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ancarda My commute is slightly shorter, so I'm usually back at my house by 7 PM, but not always, and won't be tonight
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Zegnat “all the snow”, “train problems” ...
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Zegnat looks outside and totally gets it
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ancarda Well, there's like, 1 cm of snow on the tracks and my train was 30 minutes late for "severe weather". I think this is extra bad because the UK isn't very good at dealing with snow given how rarely it happens here
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ancarda Anyway, there is one upside to this new job -- my commute is now North/South, so I can just get a different (usually faster/more direct) train to Brighton, so I can very likely start joining meetups there!
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Zegnat Cool!
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ancarda So, I can probably get a bit more involved. Last few months, I've been basically idle here, dealing with my new job, learning Haskell, cleaning out my old place to hand the keys back. Nightmare
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ancarda It's all settled down a bit now, so I could probably devote some more time to IndieWeb now
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snarfed ancarda++
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Loqi ancarda has 2 karma in this channel (6 overall)
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ancarda Thanks, snarfed!
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sknebel maybe moving vHWC past dinnertime makes sense then
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jeremycherfas I will never be able to manage that, I'm afraid.
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Zegnat Maybe we just need to have vHWC pre-dinner and post-dinner, haha
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Loqi ahahaha
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tantek sounds meta :)
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[cleverdevil] https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/28/17060328/twitter-bookmarks-feature-save-for-later
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[cleverdevil] Interesting.
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[cleverdevil] Seems to me like Micro.blog's "Favorite" feature.
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[cleverdevil] (Private bookmarks vs. public likes).
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[cleverdevil] Happy to see this happen, actually.
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sknebel Twitter likes also are "like with a chance of retweet" nowadays, so it's even more important
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tantek Instagram has a private bookmark feature also
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[cleverdevil] Interestingly, one of my favorite forms of blogging is to create a bookmark-of reference to an interesting article, with inline quotes pulled from the source, and my commentary inserted.
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[cleverdevil] Which is decidedly not private 🙂
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[cleverdevil] I've been trying to figure out the most appropriate way to create posts like this.
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[miklb] [cleverdevil] that’s basically what I do when I create a bookmark note on my site.
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[cleverdevil] nods
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tantek [cleverdevil]: I feel like that's something Gruber often does too
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[cleverdevil] [tantek] yup, which I think is where I got the inspiration,
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[cleverdevil] Kottke does it a lot as well.
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[cleverdevil] (These are two of my favorite blogs).
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tantek and thus I'd just call that "a blog post" :)
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tantek (not a "bookmark")
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[miklb] what is a bookmark
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Loqi A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is primarily comprised of a URL, often title text from that URL, sometimes optional text describing, tagging, or quoting from its contents https://indieweb.org/bookmark
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[cleverdevil] Sure. But, when linking to the referenced article, should I make it in-reply-to?
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[cleverdevil] Or just a plain hyperlink?
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tantek depends
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tantek if you are responding to the contents of the article, then in-reply-to for sure
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tantek if you are merely *citing* the article, e.g. to make your own point, then a plain hyperlink / mention is appropriate
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[cleverdevil] nods
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tantek (though an h-cite is likely good in that case)
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[cleverdevil] I think that makes sense.
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[cleverdevil] In fact, I'd go as far as to say it should likely be *both* h-cite and in-reply-to in the event that I am responding to a post, quoting it, and contributing my thoughts.
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tantek right, and now you've just described a "reply-context"
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[cleverdevil] what is reply-context?
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Loqi A reply context is the display of what a reply post is in reply to, including linking to that original post with in-reply-to markup, showing some amount of that original post like author name, icon, summary / ellipsed content, and datetime published https://indieweb.org/reply-context
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[cleverdevil] TIL.
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[cleverdevil] Now, I need to make this easier to create in Known 😛
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tantek I think there was a feature request in Known for better reply-contexts
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[miklb] GWG has done a great job of support that with his post kinds property retrieval
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tantek what is timeline review?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "timeline review" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "timeline review is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is wall
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Loqi wall is the original name for a feature launched on Facebook which is a user's stream of updates shown on their profile page, similar to the main stream of posts you might show on your indieweb homepage, however with key innovations such as allowing your friends to "write" (create) posts on your wall, and also showing others' public posts that person-tag you https://indieweb.org/wall
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tantek what is moderation?
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Loqi Moderation is the process of holding comments for review by a human, and sometimes a source of frustration when a comment is written on another site that the commenter has no control over https://indieweb.org/moderation
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tantek timeline review is a feature on some [[silos]] (in particular [[Facebook]]) that is a form of [[moderation]] in particular to approve some (or all) [[posts]] by others both explicitly to your [[wall]] (timeline) and implicitly by [[person-tag]]ging you.
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Loqi ok
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tantek moderation << timeline review
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Loqi ok, I added "[[timeline review]]" to the "See Also" section of /moderation
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tantek timeline << timeline review
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Loqi ok, I added "[[timeline review]]" to the "See Also" section of /timeline
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tantek what is a timeline
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Loqi The timeline briefly documents key IndieWeb (and influencing thereof) terms/ideas/concepts, implementations, specifications, events, and other achievements; people involved, and dates/URLs for each https://indieweb.org/timeline
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tantek oops
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tantek wall << timeline review
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Loqi ok, I added "[[timeline review]]" to the "See Also" section of /wall
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tantek what is a profile
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Loqi Your homepage represents you on the web, typically at the top of your domain, with your name and an iconic representation, often marked up with h-card, and fairly commonly one or more streams of recent, topical, or most relevant posts marked up with h-entry https://indieweb.org/profile
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[eddie] [cleverdevil] I think one of the tricky things I have to ask myself is “is my post directed primarily at the author or primarily at my audience?”
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[eddie] I tend to mark up as in-reply-to when the post is directed primarily at the author
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[eddie] and I just mention the post if it’s primarily at my audience
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[eddie] For example, this was addressing some issues in another post but it was directed at the general audience
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: I do the same
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[eddie] https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/02/23/9/article/
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] Free speech and it's limits
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[eddie] KartikPrabhu :thumbsup:
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[eddie] Hmm that presents an interesting thought. That is done because I’m using the “In Reply To” to not only change the presentation and it’s purpose but also kind of dictate the audience. Is there a better way to do that? I know aaronpk played around with an audience attribute
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tantek That's like the difference between an @-reply and a quote tweet
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[eddie] Maybe that is a better version of how i’ve been using “Reply”. Where my post above could be considered a “reply” to that post. But my decisions on presentation and where I display it on my site and my feeds should maybe instead be directed by if there is an “audience” attribute or not. (The lack of an audience leading to a global audience assumption)
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[eddie] Correct
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tantek timeline review << [https://m.facebook.com/a/approval_queue Facebook Timeline Review]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://m.facebook.com/a/approval_queue Facebook Timeline Review]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /timeline_review
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[kevinmarks] When gruber does those kinds of posts he make the feed url the link he is describing. Which is a very retro version of a feed.
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chrisaldrich snarfed++ for allowing me to /POSSE from my site to GitHub via /Bridgy
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snarfed thanks chrisaldrich!
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chrisaldrich GWG++ for setting up Bridgy Publish Plugin to support POSSE to GitHub
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