#LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "latergram" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "latergram is ____", a sentence describing the term)
#@niels_klol…the whole Indieweb-thing shouldn’t be GDPR-compliant. When someone on twitter replies to me, it gets added as a comment to my website which shouldn’t allowed without consent from the user…ok… (twitter.com/_/status/974515962345963520)
#@niels_klol…the whole Indieweb-thing shouldn’t be GDPR-compliant. When someone on twitter replies to me, it gets added as a comment to my website which shouldn’t allowed without consent from the user…ok… (twitter.com/_/status/974515962345963520)
#LoqiA disclosure is a bit of content, typically on a home page, on an indie web site that proactively discloses some aspect about the site that the site owner wants the user to explicitly be aware of https://indieweb.org/disclaimer
#ZegnatThat has done examples of people trying to inform others that their comments might get syndicated.
#ZegnatThere are probably other ways too. sgreger anonymises backfed interactions. But you could also display embedded tweets under your posts, which people will have agreed to by using Twitter.
#ZegnatSo probably several ways to stay GDPR compliant with IndieWeb
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#Loqiok, I added "GDPR Article 9) (2) e exempts processing relates to personal data which are manifestly made public by the data subject; https://gdpr-info.eu/art-9-gdpr/" to the "See Also" section of /GDPR
#ZegnatI am not sure that is relevant here, [kevinmarks]. Surely that only applies to personal data as defined in in 9(1)? And while it lifts the prohibition, surely it doesn’t cancel all other parts of the GDPR as it applies to e.g. the Tweet itself?
#dgoldI'm not sure why [kevinmarks] thinks 9(2)(e) is relevant to indieweb
#[kevinmarks]right byt para 1 is “Processing of personal data revealing racial or ethnic origin, political opinions, religious or philosophical beliefs, or trade union membership, and the processing of genetic data, biometric data for the purpose of uniquely identifying a natural person, data concerning health or data concerning a natural person’s sex life or sexual orientation shall be prohibited.” - i'm assuming “political opinions, religious or p
#dgold9(1) refers to information revealing racial or ethnic origin, political opinions, religious or philosophical beliefs, or trade union membership, and the processing of genetic data
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#dgoldI had this discussion with some GDPR people at a training session, they were very adamant it does not refer to 'tweets'
#ZegnatI would assume it to mean that if someone announces their party membership in a public tweet I am no longer prohibited from using that information. Because they choose to make their affiliation public. But not to mean the entire tweet itself is unprotected.
#Zegnatinsert general handwaiving disclaimer of not being in anyway reliable for legal advice here
#[kevinmarks]the tweet is still copyright to them, sure. Calling it personal data is a bit of a stretch, but we will have to wait for caselaw here
#dgoldit would be a profound mistake to imagine that 9(2)(e) `covers tweets`
#[kevinmarks]but if I am constrained from showing his tweet in reply to me, he is equally constrained from showing the tweet he's replying to
#dgoldi agree that it is probably important in many other ways, but not in the way (I think) you are constraining it here.
#[kevinmarks]if attaching a twitter handle is interpreted as making the tweet personal data, then in @'ing me in the first place he has done the exact same thing
#@niels_klol…the whole Indieweb-thing shouldn’t be GDPR-compliant. When someone on twitter replies to me, it gets added as a comment to my website which shouldn’t allowed without consent from the user…ok… (twitter.com/_/status/974515962345963520)
#dgoldok - I'd posit that your comment is incorrect, 9.2.e isn't relevant
#dgoldBUT that's only because the OP contention is nonsense
#petermolnardata portability... yeah, right... the Facebook data export had gone from containing usernames (the ones in the url) to display names, and only those. It's impossible to trace them back to user ids or user names, given the API had listing your own friends' user IDs restricted from a long while.
#ZegnatMaybe send them an official request for all of the data under GDPR later, petermolnar? ;)
#petermolnarI'm considering that, yes; on the other hand, userid and username is not a portable thing, is it?
#ZegnatIf they are people you have explicitly tagged within your post, I would say that explicit tag is part of the post content that you are asking for under GDPR? (That is, some sort of identifier for the specific user you tagged.) But Facebook might argue differently of course, and say only the plain text value of a post is yours.
#ZegnatIf I had tagged you in a post as just “Peter”, that wouldn’t be portable at all without the tagging meta-data, as I know several Peters. If I explicitly made sure to tag the right Peter, surely that should fall under the contents that I must be able to export?
#petermolnarif the tag works as, say, a html attribute, it should be portable, in theory; what's under question, is what counts as tag - a url? a username? an email? etc. This is where the swamp of Facebook will slow everything down.
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#@jgmac1106I wish browser history was downloadable and allowed for corss browser integration.
I love Private browsing in Firefox but need my history.
Sometimes still use Chrome (Chromebook or needing a plug in)
I want privacy but want a way to syndicate all browser history. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/974596241693855745)
#ZegnatHmm. I thought Xmarks did history, but apparently only between Firefox instances
#sknebelthe bridgy setup is a bit odd in regard to deletions - Twitter API users have to check if tweets got deleted when displaying them, but bridgy doesn't store and the sites aren't Twitter API users
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#petermolnar"> albeit of people you have not and probably never will actually meet" that is an interesting point; in my experience, communities of mixed/augmented realities worked the best; those with both real world meetups and online communication forums/IRC channels. Only this or only that was always lacking something.
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#schmartydang, it is really satisfying to make a reply post on my site, send that webmention, and see it show up immediately on the original post.
#aaronpkdo you get push notifications from the chat messages? cause that's one thing that's missing right now in this setup
#zoglesbyschmarty: is the move to Tuesdays for the baltimore meetup a permanent thing?
#schmartyyeah i saw your reply webmention as notifications on my phone and laptop via the Riot.im app
#schmartybut sometimes that gets to be too many notifications.
#aaronpki'm trying to figure out how I want to handle push notifications. Either getting enough realtime stuff in place so that [eddie]'s server for Indigenous can send notifications, or write something into Aperture that can ping a separate push notification app like Pushover
#schmartyZach Oglesby: presently, yes, HWC Baltimore meets on Tuesdays instead of Wednesdays because I have a conflict on Wednesdays.
#schmartythat said, we make exceptions when there's a conflict for the venue
#schmartyaaronpk: i have some thoughts on collapsing/summarizing notifications as well
#zoglesbyschmarty: okay, I have been meaning to make it out for months, but Tuesdays are hard so I will see what I can do.
#schmarty(e.g. your reply showed up twice in my notifications because it mentions both my post and my home page)
#zoglesbyAnd I don't really like to drive into the city if I don't have too
#aaronpkcollapsing/summarizing/clustering is really tricky. I have an attempt at it in webmention.io
#schmartyZach Oglesby: sorry for the inconvenient day and i totally understand about getting into the city!
#schmartyliving car-free in downtown baltimore i have a hard time getting to most other "Baltimore" tech meetups which ironically tend to meet in the surrounding counties. 😂
#aaronpkalso one thing i'm noticing is there's a lot of special handling needed for home page webmentions in order to get the notification text right
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#schmartyaaronpk: home page mentions are definitely a whole extra set of cases. i should really write up my experiences w/ these notifications as a way of documenting future notification design.
#aaronpkalso maybe I should stop sending home page webmentions for replies :)
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#schmartyhaha, that is why i still manually send WMs
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#[kim_landwehr]Hello to all. I am new to the concept of the Indie Web, (although it does remind me a lot of the web of 1990’s), so I will probably ask some really basic questions so be nice ok
#[kim_landwehr]Ah, [miklb] that makes sense, thanks
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#[miklb]not to be confused with the deprecated IRC gateway that Slack is dropping
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#Zegnet!tell skippy I do not recall anyone specifically running Known on Caddy. But I would not be surprised if some are running it on nginx without issue already so mod_rewrite rules should be easy enough to port
#Loqiskippy: Zegnet left you a message 4 minutes ago: I do not recall anyone specifically running Known on Caddy. But I would not be surprised if some are running it on nginx without issue already so mod_rewrite rules should be easy enough to port
#ZegnatNow that I think about it, I run known on nginx. As my test setup is through valet.
#skippynow i'm looking at nanopub, and wondering whether that's less effort for me sicne I already have Hugo builidng my site...
#skippyis there a public demo of quill, or other micropub services, that i can see without actually having a micropub endpoint defined? i'd like to see the interface.
#LoqiSink is an experimental site by Martijn van der Ven that allows anyone with an IndieAuth enabled URL to post to it using any Micropub client https://indieweb.org/Sink
#ZegnatYou should be able to point any Micropub client at Sink, yeah. But you’ll need an IndieAuth endpoint set-up to be able to use Sink still
#LoqiJust generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-03-16.html
#LoqiCaddy is an HTTP/2 web server, built for designers, bloggers and developers, with a simple configuration and automatic TLS https://indieweb.org/Caddy
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#skippyCaddy is pretty slick. I've been very happy with it.