#indieweb 2018-03-18

2018-03-18 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Dear IndieWeb, it may be time to start considering the user, not just the technical spec." https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20180318015703
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@mattl If you are mad about Facebook check out Indieweb and POSSE. And Mastodon. And GNU social. And Pumpio. https://twitter.com/hongpong/status/975208264060362752 (twitter.com/_/status/975209282072383488)
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mattl He makes a good point that mattl
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aaronpk mattl++
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Loqi mattl has 7 karma in this channel (10 overall)
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Sveta What is the difference? Posse, mastodon, gnusocial, pumpio...
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "difference" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "difference is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Sveta mattl++ :P
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Sveta I'd like something simple to share messages with relatives (including attachments - .odt and photos)
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mattl MediaGoblin
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Sveta Share odt at mediagoblin? Share plain text messages at mediagoblin? Often they are reminders or IM style communication
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mattl I think you could make it handle ODT
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Sveta Tried it about a year ago and I use one of existing instances to share photos but not within family yet...
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mattl Probably already handles PDF
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Sveta Doesn't support pdf or odt right now.
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@mrkrndvs 💬 Dear IndieWeb, it may be time to start considering the user, not just the technical spec https://collect.readwriterespond.com/indieweb-user-over-specs/ (twitter.com/_/status/975232033919205376)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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sebsel morning :)
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Zegnat eli_oat++ for the users over spec write up!
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eli_oat[m] Hahaha. Thanks. I was a little worried this morning after having written that it was too frustrated sounding.
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Loqi ahahaha
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eli_oat[m] Thanks Loqi. You are so much less creepy than Alexa
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Loqi you're welcome
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Zegnat eli_oat[m], nothing in that post was against anyone personaly, so I wouldn’t worry too much about otherwise criticising or sounded frustrated :)
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sknebel good morning!
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sknebel eli_oat[m]: that's an interesting balance always - a lot of software (indieweb or not) does a surprisingly bad job to provide errors that *both* have an easy to understand part and *also* provide debugging information
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[kevinmarks] It is a good reminder of the UX is more important principle https://indieweb.org/principles
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sebsel I know there's no priority in the principles, but I still find it fascinating that 'Use visible data' is so high up, and indeed not 'UX is more important'.
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sknebel sebsel: luckily, everyone seems happy to break the first in favor of the second
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Loqi [superfeedr] "RE: https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20180318015703" on 2018-03-18 https://petermolnar.net/re-eli-20180318015703/
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Zegnat petermolnar, you write (^^^) “even webmentions are only in W3C recommendation stage”. But surely there isn’t a stage after recommendation? That’s basically the definitive version.
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Zegnat See https://indieweb.org/File:w3c-spec-REC.svg for the W3C stages
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Zegnat (Fun thing about that image page on the wiki: you can check specs that are W3C recommendations under “File usage”!)
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petermolnar I'm, indeed, wrong there. Silly wording, though, I never realised "recommendation" =~ standard...
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Zegnat Not a problem petermolnar, but thought I’d clear that up :)
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sknebel still better than RFC ;)
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@kevinmarks @anildash If you want links to all the other silos' app authorisation lists too we have them here https://indieweb.org/appaccess (twitter.com/_/status/975443241628786690)
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@kartik_prabhu TIL: pytest (https://docs.pytest.org) to write tests for python code. yay! #python #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/975470776307548161)
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[kevinmarks] Silos gonna silo: https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/975372350869798912?s=19
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@alexstamos @can This kind of decentralization would create a lot more abuses of the kind everybody is upset about. It was the ability for people to transfer knowledge about their friends via API that caused this, the fix was increasing centralization by cutting down API functionality. (twitter.com/_/status/975372350869798912)
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KartikPrabhu lol!
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@kevinmarks @ClaraJeffery We have been assembling the building blocks at http://indieweb.org for a while now (twitter.com/_/status/975485730985259008)
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@billbennettnz A little early to talk of Indieweb inflection points: https://billbennett.micro.blog/2018/03/19/a-little-early.html (twitter.com/_/status/975491106115813376)
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@kevinmarks @bmann Come on over to http://indieweb.org and talk about this (twitter.com/_/status/975516224267476992)
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