#indieweb 2018-04-12

2018-04-12 UTC
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[jgmac1106]
swentel no problem, I thought I pushed one crash report but will do them all. Did you let [kevinmarks] give a shout on TWIG? That is a crazy stress test.
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[kevinmarks]
I didn't mention it, I just plugged indieweb generally
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[unoabraham]
I'd love an invite too, a@brah.am.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-04-12 https://boffosocko.com/2018/04/11/reply-to-chris-jones-on-twitter/
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@ChrisAldrich
↩️ I like @jgmac1106's general idea, but having less overhead to manage and administer appealed to me a lot. Here's some thoughts on what I ended up doing: http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/18/rss-feeds-a-follow-up-on-my-indieweb-commitment-2017/ @mrkrndvs may have some insight too. [more...]
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Links for the Day – April 11, 2018" by Ryan Gallagher on 2018-04-12 http://tracking.feedpress.it/link/13030/8831165
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@AlfonsoRomay
↩️ Es una aproximación, recuerda a Medium y es un modelo que también veo relativamente agotado. Me parece mejor alternativa seguir refugiándose en nuestras propias webs/blogs, después de tantos años. Generar contenidos desde nuestra propia plataforma. #indieweb
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@webrocker
↩️ Ich breche eine Lanze für die eigene Domain als Platz für den eigenen Kram. Und dann halt Inhalte in die Netzwerke syndizieren, wo sie im Malstrom der Eitelkeiten verbrannt werden können, aber vlt doch jemand zur Seite leiten. ❤️#indieweb
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sknebel
good morning indieweb!
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tantek_
guten morgen
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@xandy_ebooks
nonsense indieweb principles, you could have paired devices stored to select from. Steam's backup feature is kind of always thought pipe people were terrified by my competence.
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jeremycherfas
Mornin' all
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swentel
morning
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Loqi
rise and shine!
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dgold
g'day
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tantek_
^^^ aaronpk, per the profile bio https://twitter.com/xandy_ebooks, that's a bot, feel free to block
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Loqi
ok, I added "http://anouska.net/2018/02/blogging-and-why-its-important-to-bring-it-back/" to the "See Also" section of /principles https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=46833&oldid=46807
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[kevinmarks]
“Instagram is a public platform.
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[kevinmarks]
We do not own it. We never will. We cannot control it. So we need to accept that.
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[kevinmarks]
But our blogs are OURS.
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[kevinmarks]
We have spent years building our brands from the ground up, and it all started with our blogs. It is our very own personal space online. We control it. We decide what content goes up. We decide if we want to make changes to our website. There are no algorithms. There is no fuckery.”
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@toontoet
Dat nieuwe 'sociale' Hyves wordt toch wel iets decentraals dat aansluiting zoekt bij het sociale web van #Mastodon, #PeerTube, #Diaspora, #Hubzilla en andere op #ActivityPub en #Indieweb gebaseerde platformen? Toch @OrigenInstitute?
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "@mrkrndvs Most of my subdomains or for up MOOCs or pop-up learning events. I have found since so many users are new to Wordpress trying" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-12 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/12/mrkrndvs-most-of-my-subdomains-or-for-up-moocs-or
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "What exactly is #indieweb and how can we talk about it?" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-12 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/12/what-exactly-is-indieweb-and-how-can-we-talk-about
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[jgmac1106]
feel free to critique or offer edits. At the edges of my technical capabilities in some of those discussions. Just trying to turn dev documentation into stuff for the rest of world.
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[kevinmarks]
Hyves is back?
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@jgmac1106
↩️ As a note just wanted to share I am more of a consumer of #indieweb tools rather than a producer. Been trying to apply the principles in my #highered classes with a bunch of other #digped folks tracing lineage to #ds106 and #rhizo15 #rhizo16 Hopped… http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/12/as-a-note-just-wanted-to-share-i-am-more
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "As a note just wanted to share I am more of a consumer of #indieweb tools rather than a producer. Been trying to apply the" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-12 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/12/as-a-note-just-wanted-to-share-i-am-more
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "An Introduction to the IndieWeb" on 2018-03-27 https://hugo.soucy.cc/note/2018/01/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb.html
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Why the Indie Web movement is so important" on 2018-03-27 https://hugo.soucy.cc/note/2017/07/why-the-indie-web-movement-is-so-important.html
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "App.net is another silo who is shutting down" on 2018-03-27 https://hugo.soucy.cc/note/2017/03/appnet-is-another-silo-who-is-shutting-down.html
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "À propos de ce site Web" on 2018-03-27 https://hugo.soucy.cc/a-propos.html
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "IndieWeb, Make your social media posts open first" on 2018-03-27 https://hugo.soucy.cc/note/2016/11/indieweb-make-your-social-media-posts-open-first.html
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Indieweb in a nutshellown your identity domain website content uiux" on 2018-03-27 https://hugo.soucy.cc/note/2016/05/indieweb-in-a-nutshellown-your-identity-domain-website-content-uiux.html
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hs0ucy
Whoah ... sorry about the noise ... I was testing https://websub.rocks/
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hs0ucy
I didn't know the consequences
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aaronpk
I'm not quite sure how that happened either. WebSub.rocks isn't explicitly connected to Loqi
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hs0ucy
That's my content with the Indieweb keyword in it... And my Atom Feed is connected to superfeedr ... <link href="https://bridgy-fed.superfeedr.com/" rel="hub" />
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hs0ucy
<link href="https://pubsubhubbub.superfeedr.com" rel="hub" />
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aaronpk
Ah that makes sense
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "love the twitter aggregator!&#8212; Zach Leatherman (@zachleat) April 12, 2018 Indieweb and webmentions. Posts originate on my site, then syndicate to Twitter. I&#8217;m replying from my site to your tweet now. 🙂" by Michael Bishop on 2018-04-12 https://miklb.com/blog/2018/04/12/3726/
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@miklb
↩️ Indieweb and webmentions. Posts originate on my site, then syndicate to Twitter. I’m replying from my site to your tweet now. 🙂
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[kevinmarks]
hadn't seen this sequence - the iframe share button as "collecting data" https://twitter.com/Matthijs85/status/984458621697314816
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@Matthijs85
Zuckerberg admits he's collecting medical data on people that are on the internet whether they’re Facebook users or not: 'for security purposes’ https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/984118196952322050/video/1 Security? Yeah right, security of his funds.. 😏
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aaronpk
Of course it's collecting data. That was the whole point of it
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[kevinmarks]
yes, but getting that on the congressional record is useful.
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@miklb
↩️ I’ve flirted with the idea of getting it working with @eleven_ty using my prior efforts in Jekyll liquid templates. https://github.com/miklb/jekyll-indieweb
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb
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[eddie]
Morning Zegnat!
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[jeremycherfas]
Hello Zegnat
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Zegnat
Any exciting developments been happening in IndieWeb? :)
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@swentel
So how about we start a Homebrew Website Club meetup in Gent to share ideas, work on projects (#drupal module!) ... every two weeks ? Who would join ? I could do a #indieweb 101 introduction first to get started! See https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "“You can use this with Micro.blog, Known or any other Micropub compatible server” This is a perfect way to put it for the average user." by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-12 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/12/you-can-use-this-with-microblog-known-or-any-other
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@kevinmarks
And the Web is the sea, the platform they and we all depend on, without thinking about it. #indieweb https://twitter.com/adamsconsulting/status/984483896686329856
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[cleverdevil]
Hullo, IndieWeb! I've been traveling and quite busy this week. Hope I haven't missed too much 🙂
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[eddie]
FYI all
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[cleverdevil]
Yeah, I saw that. I wonder if [manton] made it support Micropub for publishing as well?
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[eddie]
It does
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[cleverdevil]
I can't wait to try it.
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[cleverdevil]
I've been tinkering with the idea of a microcast for a long time. I was considering getting a separate domain for it, though, so I could conceivably use Micro.blog for that.
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[cleverdevil]
(Might actually be a smarter way to go, honestly).
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[eddie]
Wavelength publishes via Micropub and micro.blog microcast Hosting will support any Micropub requests
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[manton]
Clarification: actually 1.0 does not support other servers. It uses Micropub but only to Micro.blog.
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[eddie]
Ohhh sorry :) thanks for clarifying [olebrussels]
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[eddie]
Oops slack autocomplete fail
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[eddie]
[manton]
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[cleverdevil]
No worries, I wouldn't have expected to support that at 1.0, honestly 🙂
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[manton]
There are a couple reasons, but the main one is if you publish somewhere else, you have an audio file but not a podcast. You have to do something else to get a podcast feed. So we wanted to start with Micro.blog since it does everything for you.
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[eddie]
Makes sense
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[manton]
It does use Micropub (the media endpoint and `audio` param) for publishing. You just can't point it somewhere else yet.
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[manton]
So other clients could definitely be built and use Micropub to publish audio files to Micro.blog too. And we'll see where things go from there.
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[cleverdevil]
Cool. I think I will instead buy a separate domain and use that for just my Microcast.
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[cleverdevil]
Then use Micro.blog for it.
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[cleverdevil]
I think its good to have it separate from my site.
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[manton]
Yeah, that is one thing I'm really curious about. For me, I like it separate too. But I could see some people just wanting a podcast feed of occasional audio clips they post to their main site.
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[eddie]
Yeah, I’m more of the audio clips within my regular posts
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[kevinmarks]
I think known puts the podcast incantations into its feed if there is audio.
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[eddie]
I think a separate domain makes sense when you have a specific branded microcast/podcast that you want to have its own identity
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[eddie]
My plan is to have some different microcast “categories”. One about tech, one about personal life, one about fiction writing. When I want to microcast I can do it on any topic, but then people could subscribe just to the categories they like
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[cleverdevil]
Known definitely has rudimentary support, but I am almost positive its not been tested much in the wild 🙂
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[cleverdevil]
Yeah, that's a good point, [eddie].
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[cleverdevil]
I have been noodling with the idea of creating a podcast at work for talking about Cloud / AWS / GCP / Azure.
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[kevinmarks]
Hmm. I thought that would be just the audio posts.
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[eddie]
That’s awesome [cleverdevil] I’d listen to it!
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[cleverdevil]
I think my personal one may focus on open source stuff that I am doing, etc.
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[kevinmarks]
It changed to audio from streamingmedia
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[kevinmarks]
So [manton] you could try it on known.
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[manton]
[kevinmarks] That's cool! I didn't realize Known did that. That's good.
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[kevinmarks]
I remember Ben grumbling about all the arbitrary properties at the time.
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[manton]
Yep, it's kind of annoying that iTunes requires its own RSS extensions before it will accept a podcast. I wish it had reasonable fallbacks so that any plain RSS feed would work.
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KartikPrabhu
ha! Apple's gonna Apple
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[kevinmarks]
Tantek and I went to explain that to them in 2004
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gRegorLove
One of my itches is an h-feet to iTunes-valid RSS feed.
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KartikPrabhu
h-feet lol!
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[kevinmarks]
I have about half of that in unmung, but it is a bit of a hack
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schmarty
manton++ this is effing rad!!
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Loqi
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gRegorLove
What is Wavelength?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Wavelength" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Wavelength is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk
ooh i can't wait to try this out
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aaronpk
tho i really can't wait til it can post to an arbitrary micropub endpoint ;-)
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[kevinmarks]
Apple engineers: "why are all these people so angry about RSS? It's xml, so we added our own extensions"
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KartikPrabhu
wavelength is a property of waves characterised by the distance between consequent crests or throughs
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[kevinmarks]
Me and Tantek look at each other.
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schmarty
is also looking forward to trying Wavelength once it supports other micropub targets
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KartikPrabhu
[kevinmarks]: that is a valid argument from the XML point of view
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Zegnat
[kevinmarks], to be fair, they are correct there. It is exactly where the XML extensibility comes into play ;)
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Zegnat
Oof, sniped by KartikPrabhu :)
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KartikPrabhu
phew phew
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[cleverdevil]
Okay, inspired by [manton], I have just purchased cleverca.st
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[manton]
Ooo, nice domain.
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[eddie]
Haha that’s awesome
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[cleverdevil]
Now I have no choice!
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[cleverdevil]
11 bucks on promo
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benharri
itsreallynot.com
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Zegnat
I’ll subscribe for the clever BBQ tips, [cleverdevil]!
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[kevinmarks]
Have you seen tryca.st
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aaronpk
clevercast++
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Loqi
clevercast has 1 karma
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[cleverdevil]
[manton] should I create a totally separate Micro.blog account for this, or can I have one account manage both my hosted Microcast and my externally hosted site?
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[eddie]
Hmmm I was gonna set up cast.eddiehinkle.com with my micro.blog. I’ve been holding on to eddie.today not sure what to use it for.... I wonder if that is what I’ve been missing. eddie.today being my microcast domain 🤔
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[cleverdevil]
The only thing I dislike about the .today extension is the pressure of having it be published daily 😄
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[eddie]
Haha that’s what I thought about
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[manton]
[cleverdevil] You can have one account that does both. The main reason to create a separate account is if you want a separate @username. (A single account can have multiple hosted sites with different URLs or external sites, but they all share 1 username.)
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[cleverdevil]
I think I don't want a separate username. I definitely don't want to deal with the trouble of logging in and out.
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aaronpk
eh my .today is basically monthly right now
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[manton]
In other words, if you want @clevercast, create a separate account. But if it's enough to just publish to a custom domain name, no need to create a separate account.
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benharri
quick poll: how many domains do you own?
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benharri
at least 15?
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[cleverdevil]
I think around 15-20?
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[eddie]
Only like 5-10 for me
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[cleverdevil]
My favorites are handsome.af and 🐷.ws
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[kevinmarks]
I should at least make mormonbartender.club redirect somewhere
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KartikPrabhu
ok off to #chat
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[kevinmarks]
And sell some subdomains on mixes.house
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aaronpk
we should host a virtual domain swap soon maybe https://domainswap.xyz
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Loqi
agreed.
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benharri
handsome.af is awesome
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benharri
i rly like itsreallynot.com and nothavingthis.com
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benharri
emoji domains are hard to type on a lot of machines still:(
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@kellan
OH: "Regulations requiring pasteurization are based on a poor understanding of cheese science. I'm concerned we're about to pasteurize social networks."
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[kevinmarks]
I have decentralised.wtf too
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benharri
tilde.team is still one of my favs
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benharri
what's the client at chat.indieweb.org?
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aaronpk
it's just itself
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aaronpk
a little bit of javascript and html
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benharri
ahhh ok, just a log of the chat? source of truth is irc tho, right?
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aaronpk
IRC is ephemeral, so we consider chat.indieweb.org the source of truth
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benharri
Ok, makes sense
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benharri
thanks!
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Zegnat
(Which really just means Loqi is our source of truth. Pray AI doesn’t take over.)
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@henryfarrell
1. People who are focusing on Mark Zuckerberg's testimony to Congress are missing the point. What happens to Facebook in Europe is far more important - and the stakes just got far, far higher this morning thanks to a legal decision in Ireland.
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@developerjack
@attacus_au You're way too kind. I add custom utm's that mess with tracking instead. 😂
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[cleverdevil]
Sweet, got my microcast site set up. Micro.blog makes this so much easier,
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[cleverdevil]
[manton]++ for making IndieWeb accessible!
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Loqi
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[cleverdevil]
Now, I just need to wait for DNS to propagate for cleverca.st so I can map it.
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benharri
[cleverdevil]: what do you use for your ttl?
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[cleverdevil]
Well, it has propagated already to all of the DNS servers I use, but I checked too quickly on Micro.blog, and now its not letting me do the mapping. Probably has it cached.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Information literacy needs to include creation and ownership." by Kimberly Hirsh on 2018-04-12 http://kimberlyhirsh.com/information-literacy-needs-to-include-creation-and-ownership/
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@jgarber
↩️ @zachleat I use IndieAuth to log in to my website using… my website! https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth
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aaronpk
Wow Wavelength does a great job of making audio production easy!
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[eddie]
Yeah, it does seem very easy, doesn’t it!
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[eddie]
I was playing around with it a little bit as well
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[cleverdevil]
Sweet, cleverca.st resolves now. I should be able to post my first microcast tomorrow 😀
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aaronpk
I will subscribe!
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[eddie]
Awesome! I’ll take a look tomorrow!
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@mlncn
Because of US gov't spying, Facebook's data centralization violates European privacy laws. If they'd used their vast resources to work on federation, they'd have no problem. https://indieweb.org/ https://gnu.io/social/ https://joinmastodon.org/ https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/#abstract all did!
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mlncn
... ironically, not tweeted via my WithKnown site
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GWG
[cleverdevil]: You too?