#indieweb 2018-04-11

2018-04-11 UTC
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@JmacDotOrg Jmac IndieWeb Rabbit Hole Progress Update: 🐇 https://github.com/jmacdotorg/webmention-perl#webmention 🕳 https://github.com/jmacdotorg/microformats2-perl#name All this is going into Plerd, destined to become live-fire-tested on Fogknife. My own vision-quest to help make the web better… somehow. i’ll explain later, okay? you’ll love it (twitter.com/_/status/983860417750544384)
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/becket/status/983846618263891968?s=19
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@becket Photo of Zuck's notes, by AP's @andyharnik https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DadTMxlW4AAUz_h.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/983846618263891968)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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@drupal8modules New #alpha version released for #drupal8 #module indieweb (8.x-1.0-alpha4). More info: https://www.drupal.org/project/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/983995646603681792)
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swentel interesting, didn't know it was tracking that
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Zegnat swentel, tracking what?
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swentel oh, it's scanning for (#)indieweb tags probably
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Zegnat Yes, it keeps track of some keywords using a Twitter search :)
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Zegnat s/it/Loqi/ - sorry Loqi
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swentel heh
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swentel it's just funny to see it coming in as I did the release few minutes ago
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swentel preparing for the android client first alpha release now
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/ibogost/status/983818881960677377
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@ibogost "Community" is such an amazing euphemism for "database." (twitter.com/_/status/983818881960677377)
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[kevinmarks] hard question: https://twitter.com/thepunsguy/status/984019291178782721
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@thepunsguy @kevinmarks, you've been the biggest fraction of my feed advocating to decrease Facebook usage. Do you know of any good ways a group could publicly post events? (eg. a theatre group's performance) That seems to be the biggest hangup among people I talk to. (twitter.com/_/status/984019291178782721)
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Zegnat Hmm. Something like calagator?
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Zegnat What is calagator?
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Loqi Calagator is an event hosting silo and aggregator that supports importing events marked up with hCalendar https://indieweb.org/Calagator
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Zegnat Can also be self-hosted to get rid of the “hosted silo” aspect, IIRc
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[kevinmarks] The challenge is inviting people
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petermolnar email?
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petermolnar inviting is not hard
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petermolnar rsvp is
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cweiske I could add rsvp support to commentpara.de
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cweiske then there would be a rsvp hosting silo
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cweiske indieweb-compatible
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@sl007 ↩️ @mozilla Also https://indieweb.org/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/984026342990778368)
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[jgmac1106] You build a form on your website. You syndicate the link everywhere. Invitations done
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jeremycherfas I think you overestimate the ability of the average theatre-group's website manager.
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pjz will indiewebauth support webauthn ?
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cweiske if someone implements it
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Zegnat Hi pjz! We were actually discussing that earlier today in the development channel (#indieweb-dev). You could read it back in the logs here: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-04-11#t1523437738972700
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Loqi [[kevinmarks]] Does this work as an indieauth option? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/04/practical-passwordless-authentication-comes-a-step-closer-with-webauthn/
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Zegnat We couldn’t come up with a reason why it couldn’t support it. But I do not know anyone actively working with an implementation either.
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@swentel Introducing Indigenous for Android, supporting micropub and microsub - sign up for testing if you're interested! #indigenous #indieweb #drupal #android (twitter.com/_/status/984049196381691904)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Why Indieweb? (Personal websites as a social network)" by mindB on 2018-04-11 https://indieweb.org/Why
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cweiske swentel, that tweet misses an URL
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swentel huh
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swentel right
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swentel damn it
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swentel let me fix that :)
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swentel ok, take two, damn it
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swentel sigh, bridgy can't publish the same url twice
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swentel need a new title
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swentel hmmm
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@swentel Introducing Indigenous for Android, supporting micropub and microsub - sign up for testing if you're interested! https://realize.be/blog/indigenous-android #indigenous #indieweb #drupal #android (twitter.com/_/status/984054734062579712)
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swentel well, that's a least a new issue for the drupal module to allow overriding adding the link in bridgy heh
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jmac swentel: neato
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[xavierroy] @swentel Interested in testing Indigenous for Android
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tantek_ cweiske++ for "rsvp support to commentpara.de" yes please!
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Loqi cweiske has 98 karma in this channel (135 overall)
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swentel [xavierroy], sure, I need a google account email - you can pm me if you like
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[jgmac1106] swentel, jgregmcverry@gmail.com would love to test the android app. I couldnt @ mention you or find your name in my DMs
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aaronpk oops sorry no DMs between slack and IRC
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zoglesby swentel: what is the github url, I already have an issue, invalid auth token when trying to login with my known site
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swentel [jgmac1106], added - link is https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.indieweb.indigenous
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swentel zoglesby, https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-android
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Loqi [swentel] indigenous-android: An app with extensions for sharing information to micropub endpoints and reading from microsub endpoints
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[xavierroy] xavier.roy@gmail.com
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swentel [xavierroy], added as well :)
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swentel wonders if I should start setting up other types of sites, like wordpress or known, although it shouldn't really matter afaics
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[jgmac1106] maybe I just need to open IRC again, just shut it down as having so many chat windows, Slack, Telegram, IRC just got to be too much
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[jgmac1106] ooh thought I would have to sideload, even easier
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swentel zoglesby, known is https://withknown.com/ right ?
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swentel have to run, will answer on the issue later!
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@kevinmarks “Imagine, for example, requiring that any personal data you consent to share be offered back to you in an “interoperable” format, so that you could choose to work with companies… rather than being locked in to working with one of only a few.” https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/opinion/zuckerberg-testify-congress.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/984082728046870528)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "“Imagine, for example, requiring that any personal ..." by Kevin Marks on 2018-04-11 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/imagine-for-example-requiring-that-any-personal
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@kevinmarks Any suggestions for somewhere quiet with good connectivity in central London that I can use to be on TWiG tonight between 9pm and 11pm? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/984083726454812672)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Any suggestions for somewhere quiet with good ..." by Kevin Marks on 2018-04-11 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/any-suggestions-for-somewhere-quiet-with-good
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[xavierroy] I just filed a crash report. It crashes after I enter the web address and press Sign In
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Loqi [superfeedr] "When taking the decisions I have about leaving the major social networks over the past few years (LinkedIn, Instagram, Google+, Facebook, Twitter) and moving towards a more #indieweb online existence I am aware that I am placing myself within a certain community with certain ideals. Read the full post..." by Colin Walker on 2018-04-11 https://colinwalker.blog/11-04-2018-1536/
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[jgmac1106] well look who walks into the room. Welcome [wiobyrne]
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snarfed ok, so to fix bridgy facebook for new users, i have to either have them log in with indieauth, like i currently do with instagram, or just ask them for their web site (but not log in with it)
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snarfed any opinions?
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aaronpk is there a risk of having them enter a website that is either incorrect or is someone else's?
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snarfed let's see. for publish, no
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snarfed for backfeed...
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snarfed not really, no
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aaronpk like, would it not work if they entered `http://example.com` vs `https://example.com/` or something?
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snarfed the web site's owner still has to link posts to bridgy publish or synd link to FB posts
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snarfed oh i'd canonicalize, follow redirects, etc
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snarfed ain't my first rodeo
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aaronpk 😂
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aaronpk i'd say as long as they can't make a mistake or do something malicious, it's better to have them just type it in. doing an actual login adds a lot more steps.
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snarfed yeah. sigh.
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snarfed indieauth would surprisingly be easier since i already have the full UI flow for instagram
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snarfed ah well!
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aaronpk heh hmm
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snarfed although honestly i'm not sure why i did that either
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snarfed should just have them type in their username
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Zegnat I guess it may prevent needlessly bridging things? They must already have IndieAuth/RelMeAuth available, and you discover their Facebook/Instagram from there, so it gives you the most assurance you can get about them having written things right and actually wanting to couple the specified personal URL with the specified silo.
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benharri hi hello
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Zegnat btw, snarfed, the IndieAuth flow for Instagram seems to be outdated. Requires a me parameter coming back from the endpoint.
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Zegnat should probably check the bridgy github for that
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Zegnat Hello benharri
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benharri how's it going
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snarfed Zegnat: i already discover web site from silo profiles on most other silos, and any "less assurance" hasn't really happened or been a problem
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snarfed Zegnat: huh. i've only lightly followed indieauth me param changes. got a link?
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snarfed i did something(s) for it in https://github.com/snarfed/oauth-dropins/commit/d65d415d32b5c5920ec5daeb778ee58b301d3ecc and https://github.com/snarfed/oauth-dropins/commit/f8ff52eb4b02952e8dfeaea62442c400d330547d
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Zegnat Take this to #indieweb-dev, snarfed?
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snarfed yup
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I have been doing the same, a canonical url for my major stuff and about 432 blogs on a bunch of subdomains. You should check out the #indieweb posse model (twitter.com/_/status/984118861602721792)
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pjz A facebook POSSE would hasten migration away from FB. But likely be nontrivial to write.
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aaronpk that's bridgy
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snarfed pjz: https://brid.gy/about#publish
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@jalbertbowdenii ↩️ @normative @KatMurti actually, its me. i do. i own it. if you don't own it, someone else does. https://indieweb.org/own_your_data (twitter.com/_/status/984125975700164608)
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skippy https://skippy.net/images/why-why.png
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skippy heh.
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skippy that seems .... sub-optimal.
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skippy from a user reading perspective.
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skippy i get that duplicating the content doenst make sense from a content creation perspective
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swentel !tell [eddie] I'm facing the same issue as you had with Known and the token endpoint not returning json. They closed the issue you opened, but didn't fix it properly though afaics .. https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1986
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [EdwardHinkle] #1986 [MicroPub] Token Endpoint should return content as application/json not application/x-www-form-urlencoded
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schmarty swentel: there is discussion about this exact issue in the IndieAuth spec (not just Known specifically) over in #indieweb-dev
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swentel oh really
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWeb Generation 4 and Hosted Domains" by Michael Tsai on 2018-04-11 https://mjtsai.com/blog/2018/04/11/indieweb-generation-4-and-hosted-domains/
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@mjtsai IndieWeb Generation 4 and Hosted Domains: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2018/04/11/indieweb-generation-4-and-hosted-domains/ #mjtsaiblog (twitter.com/_/status/984139843944042497)
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[jgmac1106] Swentel, I like the UI and the Indieauth sign in worked great. Are posts, notes, pics supposed to publish? Where? The app crashed every time I hit the post button. Congrats on the Alpha release. Well on the way
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swentel [jgmac1106], ah sorry to hear that it crashed .. :/ Normally, it should publish to the discovered micropub endpoint
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swentel [jgmac1106], I see crashes in the google console, yours is probably in there too and I could actually reproduce the crash
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swentel will try to catch it
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swentel and at least provide some more meaningfull debug response to the screen :)
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[eddie] Welcome to beta life swentel 😉 I lost count of the initial crash reports when I first put the iOS version live 😁
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swentel heh :)
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swentel I've already pushed 4 releases in 5 hours haha
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[kevinmarks] it's TWiG time - send me things
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[eddie] Wow, that’s awesome. iOS App Store would never allow that even if I could program fixes that fast
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[kevinmarks] if you want users I can point TWiG at you
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swentel yeah, google play store is less frustrating on that part
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: facebook (and instagram) API lockdown fallout
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snarfed https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/changelog/breaking-changes/#4-4-2018 is breaking bridgy
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snarfed instagram scraping rate limiting is breaking bridgy and OYG
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snarfed (and they're also shutting down their API to non-businesses, but that's old news)
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[kevinmarks] i suspect a lot of fb in congress
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snarfed [eddie]++
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Loqi eddie has 22 karma in this channel (54 overall)
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snarfed swentel++
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Loqi swentel has 4 karma
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snarfed hope you all are using crashlytics etc?
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swentel yeah, looking at them now :)
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swentel well, looking at stock play console crashes, good enough for at least
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swentel s/for/for now
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skippy what is TWiG?
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Loqi twig may refer to TWiG (This Week in Google), or the Twig (template engine) https://indieweb.org/twig
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[eddie] Yep, snarfed, I learned that was important pretty quickly haha
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swentel !tell [jgmac1106] I've pushed a new release, should be up in a couple of minutes. The app shouldn't crash anymore but provide bit more debugging information, don't hesitate to create issues! :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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swentel so that was release 5 ... time for bed :)
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@JmacDotOrg My vision for a truly resilient open web is basically everything on the IndieWeb wiki plus http://dolphin.town, that’s correct senator (twitter.com/_/status/984199291504877568)
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[kevinmarks] http://www.unmung.com/mastoview?url=dolphin.town&view=local
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KartikPrabhu what the what!
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aaronpk darius is great
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skippy that's ... something.
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jmac I hate everything Darius makes and it
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jmac 's all better than anything i will ever do