#indieweb 2018-04-10

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@kevinmarks ↩️ I don't think trying to pick a winner is the sensible approach. I want multiple different writing and reading tools for the web, and I want them to interoperate as much as possible. That's what #indieweb is about. (twitter.com/_/status/983495943373934593)
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toomim Right on, Kevin. In our web, every citizen can *choose* how to view their world.
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@rboren @wordpressdotcom, how about some love for microbloggers? This is frustrating and unusable, especially given that after peeking at the post and closing the editor the list loses vscroll. I’m trying to have an indieweb moment here. The posts screen for ... https://rnbn.blog/2018/04/10/395/ (twitter.com/_/status/983572699053199361)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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@billbennettnz Free as in Facebook. https://indieweb.org/free_as_in_facebook Exactly. (twitter.com/_/status/983598438750318592)
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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@sonniesedge It's still extremely basic, but I got inbound webmentions running on a static server-side generated website! 🎉🍾 #indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/983637204248485889)
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@sonniesedge ↩️ If you don't know what the #indieweb is, then take a look at the website. But in summary iit's about freeing your data from the control of the social media giants. They shouldn't be the ones controlling who can see your content! https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/983637671670112257)
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@sonniesedge ↩️ I'm going to write about the webmentions , the @pinboard integration, and how the site has been built with Metalsmith and @netlify up into a post. #indieweb But for now you can look at the files on Github to get a rough idea. 😁https://github.com/sonniesedge/sonniesedge-website/ (twitter.com/_/status/983639519248506880)
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Zegnat Hellow dgold! (Have to beat you to it.)
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dgold L)
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@sonniesedge ↩️ BTW, many thanks to @adactio for tuning me into webmentions and related #indieweb concepts. ❤️ (twitter.com/_/status/983640832300503040)
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@AdraoEiros ↩️ @sonniesedge w0w now that's growth hacking for a noble cause! Long life to the #indieweb! https://t.co/QoO6aHlEg9 (twitter.com/_/status/983642484378042368)
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@jkphl ↩️ Sounds like you should definitely mark Nov 3rd-4th in your calender to join us for @indiewebcamp Berlin 2018 (nothing planned & published yet but I'm pretty sure I'll set one up again) +While you are at it: Include Nov 6th when @stefanjudis & I will run the 1st @a11yclub conf ;) (twitter.com/_/status/983644754276704256)
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tantek_ that sounds worth adding to /Planning !
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Zegnat Been blogging daily for 3 days in a row now. So apparently my “just write HTML” mindset is working :D Happy to be publishing again. This is what the IndieWeb is about, more than developing communication standards!
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[kevinmarks] nice, zegnat. I do find my 'manual til it hurts' approach on my main site does make starting a post feel like a lot of work. Maybe time to iterate on that.
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Guest19198 hi everybody…I need some help. Anytime I try to authorizied Instagram for Indieweb I become this error: www.instagram.com/doityourself.rocks
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Guest19198 This is not a supported authentication provider.
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Zegnat Hi Guest19198! (You may want to change your name by writing /nick followed by your prefered name)
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Zegnat Where are you trying to login / authorise?
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Guest19198 here: https://brid.gy/instagram/start?x=64&y=28
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MichiMauch @Zegnat do you have an idea?
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Zegnat Are you entering your Instagram URL on that page? I don’t think that works. You will have you enter your own personal URL, where you have setup IndieAuth, to start there.
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Zegnat I think. I am not a Bridgy user myself. But there might be some Bridgy users in here that know better!
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MichiMauch No, on this page I entering my Website URL…and on my Website I have a link like this:"><a href="https://www.instagram.com/doityourself.rocks" rel="me">Follow me on Instagram</a></li>"
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Zegnat Do you have any other rel="me" links? I don’t think Instagram can be used for authentication currently.
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MichiMauch Yes…Twitter works. And everywhere I found a YouTube video about this…(must search the link again)
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MichiMauch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGMNItivBdY
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Zegnat Then use Twitter to login with. What you login with doesn’t actually affect what services Bridgy is going to use.
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Zegnat So it can still bridge with Instagram, even if you used Twitter for IndieAuth :)
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@sonniesedge ↩️ @jkphl @Pinboard @Netlify @indiewebcamp @stefanjudis @a11yclub OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH. *marks furiously in calendar* (twitter.com/_/status/983669758758412288)
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MichiMauch Thanks Zegnat…but I try to do the same thing like in the video…and this dosen't works
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cweiske MichiMauch, there are two different things: 1) login to brid.gy via indieauth.com and 2) sync comments and likes from instagram to your website
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cweiske logging in via indieauth.com (which reads the rel=me links on your page) is not possible with instagram
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cweiske you need a rel=me link to github, twitter, an email address or a gpg key
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MichiMauch @cweiske Ok I see…I think I did understand now…slowly
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cweiske see "Authentication providers currently supported" on https://indieauth.com/
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Loqi IndieAuth.com
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cweiske also see https://indieauth.com/setup
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Loqi IndieAuth.com
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cweiske do you have a github or twitter profile?
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MichiMauch Yes Twitter and logged in on indieweb.org with Twitter
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cweiske ok.
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cweiske now you also can log into brid.gy, right?
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MichiMauch yrp
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MichiMauch yep. right
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MichiMauch but now I can't connect to Instagram
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cweiske what error does brid.gy give you?
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MichiMauch First I click on the Instagram button
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MichiMauch Right?
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sknebel yes
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MichiMauch And the I write my URL into the field: https://www.doityourself.rocks
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cweiske yes
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MichiMauch and press GO ;-)
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MichiMauch  www.instagram.com/doityourself.rocks —> This is not a supported authentication provider.
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cweiske which URL are you seeing in your browser's address bar?
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MichiMauch https://indieauth.com/auth?me=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.doityourself.rocks&state=%257B%2522endpoint%2522%253A%2522https%253A%252F%252Findieauth.com%252Fauth%2522%252C%2522me%2522%253A%2522https%253A%252F%252Fwww.doityourself.rocks%2522%257D&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fbrid.gy%2Finstagram%2Fcallback&client_id=https%3A%2F%2Fbrid.gy%2F#
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Loqi IndieAuth.com
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sknebel use twitter
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sknebel not instagram
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MichiMauch mmhh…not sure if you mean the same thing as I
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sknebel indieauth should show you all the rel=me s you have
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MichiMauch With Twitter I can login into indieweb.org
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MichiMauch That works
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MichiMauch Now I would like to sync Instagram comments and likes with my website
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sknebel I know
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sknebel on the indieauth page that says " www.instagram.com/doityourself.rocks —> This is not a supported authentication provider.", pick twitter
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MichiMauch ok. done
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MichiMauch know i'm into indieweb.org
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MichiMauch sorry…now of course
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Zegnat You don’t need to go to indieweb.org.
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Zegnat There are two steps to the Bridgy process. First is logging in to Bridgy, for this it uses indieauth.com, and you cannot pick Instagram here. But you can pick Twitter. Then when you are logged in, Bridgy will let you connect your Instagram. (I think.)
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sknebel you don't need to connect bridgy to instagram at all, since bridgy doesn't use the instagram api
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sknebel you just need to have the profile linked from your page
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MichiMauch I'm logged in also on bridgy
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sknebel good, does it show you your user dashboard now?
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MichiMauch yes it does
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sknebel good :)
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MichiMauch now my question is, what must I do to sync the Instagram comments and likes
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Zegnat sknebel, it doesn’t? So the YouTube video cited above it out of date then?
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cweiske MichiMauch, do you know what a webmention is?
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sknebel Zegnat: had missed the mention of a video - I think snarfed made that video to try to apply for API access?
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MichiMauch I think I do…a little bit…and I'm a little bit confused because on an Instagram post is no link back zu my site…but I saw the video and think maybe there is a magic way to do this…
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@webrocker Wie mache ich denn DSGVO konform klar, dass ein like, der hier auf twitter gemacht wird, wenn es einen artikel aus meinem blog betrifft, auch in meinem blog auftaucht? samt avatarbild? indieweb ist geil, aber an der stelle wirds kniffelig, n'est-ce pas? (twitter.com/_/status/983676818493460480)
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cweiske Zegnat/sknebel: where does brid.gy get the link between instagram post and the blog post?
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sknebel I presume it needs u-syndicate?
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sknebel (if there isn't a link in the post)
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Zegnat I don’t know. The about page also seems to talk about both Instagram API and about problems with scraping, so having a hard time sorting the current information from the old
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Zegnat Seems like it previously used the API for things, so that screencast may be some slight false advertisement on snarfed’s part ;)
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cweiske "Which things does it send, specifically?: Instagram comments and likes on your pictures."
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cweiske https://brid.gy/about#missing
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cweiske oh, michimauch is gone
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cweiske ah :)
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MichiMauch Thanks guys for your help
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cweiske MichiMauch, the brid.gy process is as follows:
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Am I addicted to cards?" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-10 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/10/am-i-addicted-to-cards
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cweiske 1. it scans your instagram profile, sees a post that has a like/comment
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cweiske 2. it scans the homepage linked on your instagram profile and searches for posts that have a link to that instagram post (https://brid.gy/about#link)
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cweiske 3. it generates a HTML page for that comment/like, marked up with microformats2
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cweiske 4. it notifies your blog that there is a comment/like by sending a webmention to your blog
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cweiske 5. your blog sees that there is a webmention, fetches that comment HTML, parses it, decides that it's a comment/like and displays it on your blog post somehow
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Any you introduced me to @sonniesedge and now I am rethinking my cards and modal strategies. http://bit.ly/2GM0rMx #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/983680051827888128)
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cweiske so to make the process work, you need to make your blog ready for #2 and #5
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cweiske s/make ready/adjust/
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Zegnat Next events: Homebrew Website Club Meetup https://indieweb.org/events/2018-04-10-homebrew-website-club and IWC Düsseldorf! https://indieweb.org/2018/Düsseldorf. Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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cweiske MichiMauch, https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy should be interesting for you
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MichiMauch thanks for all
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MichiMauch @cweiske and @Zegnat
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sknebel MichiMauch: got it to work?
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@jgmac1106 Giving up the CMS would have to be #HigherEd first step into #IndieWeb: http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/10/giving-up-the-cms-would-have-to-be-highered-first (twitter.com/_/status/983696199852019713)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Giving up the CMS would have to be #HigherEd first step into #IndieWeb" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-10 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/10/giving-up-the-cms-would-have-to-be-highered-first
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MichiMauch @sknebel…I must finised my tests later…now I have an other job ;-)
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Zegnat MichiMauch, do report back if you get it working or not! You may find actual Bridgy users online here too if you try a different time :) Timezones are hard.
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MichiMauch I will...thanks
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_200ok_ (reading back) hehe thanks tantek_ :) I still pretty much feel like that's the model *people* want, just not the model businesses want
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@megarush1024 That time you’re googling to try to find a link you forgot to bookmark, and you run across a post from @ChrisAldrich and while scrolling through the comments you realize that whole respond via webmention from your own comments section thing actually worked. Yeah! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/983705534896529409)
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[jgmac1106] I wish one of the sharing sources from my public hypothesis annotations would be some way to syndicate back to somewhere I lived and then back out to social media
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@tomasparksts @indieweb https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/983712713531641857 (twitter.com/_/status/983714227050315776)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb (Bdetter late than never)
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dgold saluton!
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jeremycherfas Zegnat++ for three days of blogging
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Loqi zegnat has 87 karma in this channel (194 overall)
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Zegnat Haha, thanks jeremycherfas!
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jeremycherfas Hello dgold
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[kevinmarks] https://www.axios.com/privacy-services-gaining-from-facebook-ac3b16c8-425c-42d1-9e80-5309c22a9c91.html
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[kevinmarks] Scott is indieweb friendly, and I'm sure would love to hear any indieweb uptick stats
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@tomasparksts ↩️ @arsteinhorn @blockstack have you seen the #indieweb project @ http://indieweb.org ? (twitter.com/_/status/983743931664891909)
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@m_ott ↩️ @webrocker Na da hätten wir ja viel Diskussionsstoff auf dem #IndieWebCamp 😜 (twitter.com/_/status/983744033246928896)
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@chrlyblck 'free as in facebook' https://indieweb.org/free_as_in_facebook (twitter.com/_/status/983746514055921664)
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[eddie] I have been thinking through Indigenous on-boarding screens. I had some free time waiting at the vet today and I wrote some potential Microcopy. I’m interested in any feedback you all have. Each header would be the beginning of another on boarding screen. I tried to keep things succinct but I’m sure there are ways to shorten it. The idea is to have it be short, large friendly text with sign up/sign in buttons:
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[eddie] https://gist.github.com/EdwardHinkle/2de9ad2e0d8319967c9914f5aaf0cbc6
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aaronpk that's pretty nice!
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: reads pretty well
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[eddie] Thanks :)
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jeremycherfas Reads well, although I also think it can be tightened. Not sure how to edit a gist.
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[eddie] Awesome, I’d love your thoughts! You can fork it and edit it or leave a comment. Not the most intuitive but those are the two things I’ve done in the past.
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jeremycherfas I'll try comments.
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[eddie] Great tweaks, thanks jeremycherfas!
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[eddie] jeremycherfas++
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jeremycherfas OK, I've raised a couple of bigger difficulties now.
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jeremycherfas Difficulties for me, as a potential Gen2-3 person.
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[eddie] Awesome, it’s great to read this stuff from that perspective. Definitely presents some further challenges in how to describe this stuff but it’s needed. 🙂
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[eddie] So the one nuance is that if someone does sign in to micro.blog for posting, the reading page won’t be displayed
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[eddie] As you said, that would be duplicative. But if someone signs in to any service that doesn’t automatically support reading, then you get the final “Reading” page
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jeremycherfas Sounds good.
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dgold shares jeremycherfas concerns re naming
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dgold Micropub, microsub, websub
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[eddie] They are tricky.... maybe we should make the proper capitalization in the last three microPUB and microSUB 😉
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[eddie] ... kidding
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[eddie] It is hard to find a way to explain what IndieWeb tools work with without mentioning protocol names
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[eddie] But then there has to be a way that a Gen 2/3/4 person can know the difference between something that works with IndieWeb protocols versus Mastadon or Twitter or FB
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[eddie] In the Golden future where everything supports Micropub/sub, that goes away 😆
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Zegnat How do current blogging tools describe it? They probably aren't mentioning XML-RPC and MetaWeblog everywhere surely?
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jeremycherfas MarsEdit does, and it can be quite confusing.
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[eddie] Ulysses in the interface says “Custom Wordpress”, on the FAQ/Help it uses XML-RPC
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[eddie] I don’t think you have to list it everywhere though. I think once they know that something has to be x-compatible, then you can just ask for their Blog Url, etc. using more normal language
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[eddie] I think the biggest hurtle is the initial “compatibility” discussion. I think after that you should be able to go jargon free
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aaronpk Byword, the app I just wrote about where I made it post to my site, has "Wordpress" listed as the option, even though it supports any other site that supports the MetaWeblog API
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aaronpk so if you know that your site is "Wordpress-compatible" then you know you can use that option
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[eddie] Yeah, that makes sense.
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[eddie] Is it more Gen 3/4 friendly to use a term like “IndieWeb-compatible” or some other term we construct that takes the place of more abstract terms like Micropub/sub, and you have a link like “What is IndieWeb-compatible?” That links to more like a FAQ/help page with tech details?
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skippy at some point, the "micro" prefix on some terms becomes misleading.
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[jgmac1106] they don't, as the tools become more available and automated the community just needs to decide if it wants to open up past devs. The proof will be in the documentation
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[jgmac1106] It is hard seeing a tool take off in the general public when even using the word protocol. If developers and engineers are the long term target audience that is fine.
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[jgmac1106] Might be a self cleansing problem if people spin up commercial offshoots. Find me one consumer facing how-to guide that uses the word protocol
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[jgmac1106] Instead you have to write: Indieweb certified websites (using any number of existing tools to check) you an API called Micropub. APis are like telephones between your browser and other applications. The indieweb API, like MicroPub help us stick to our values. They allow users to control their data while enjoying the network features of commercial silos. By using MicropPub you sign on to other indeweb certified websites. You can publish on your o
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[jgmac1106] syndicate elsewhere including popular social networks. Then when other people comment or mention your work you get record of this mention. This is using
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[kevinmarks] i'm now mixing them up too
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Loqi [superfeedr] "/me whispers #indieweb" by Michael Bishop on 2018-04-10 https://miklb.com/blog/2018/04/10/3722/
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@miklb whispers #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/983788239537541120)
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[jgmac1106] Indieweb certified websites (using any number of existing tools to check) use an API called Micropub ...forget no editing
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schmarty This seems relevant: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/04/european-copyright-law-isnt-great-it-could-soon-get-lot-worse
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schmarty An “unwaivable” right to collect fees from sites that publish snippets from a post along with links to that post
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schmarty What is link preview?
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Loqi A link preview is what posts show about one or more embedded links, e.g https://indieweb.org/link-preview
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KartikPrabhu what!
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aaronpk what! "a special copyright-like fee to be paid by websites to news publishers, in exchange for the privilege of using short snippets of quoted text as part of a link to the original news article"
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KartikPrabhu oh boy!
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snarfed so we all agree, we're all news publishers now, right?
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KartikPrabhu lol
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aaronpk what exactly qualifies someone as a news publisher?
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KartikPrabhu I'm sure some vague legalese definition will be used
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snarfed 🍿
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[jgmac1106] Can't lie love the quote I heard from Kara Swisher, can't remember who she was quoting, "Citizen journalism, do you want citizen surgery?" Granted an incumbent protecting incumbency but a valid point
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@CianAllner Fascinating watching #Zuckerberg, certainly all the right noises are being made but I am left unconvinced that Facebook should be trusted, people should own their data and not have any illusions these platforms are benign. #IndieWeb is one option! (twitter.com/_/status/983837254710890496)
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tantek_ 🍿
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gRegorLove A good thread with some previous Facebook scrape/leak issues, if anyone wants to summarize on /Facebook: https://twitter.com/ashk4n/status/983725115903852544
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@ashk4n As we all listen to @finkd apologize to congress for the umpteenth time, it’s important to remember that @facebook’s leaking user data isn’t new or an accident. (1/7) (twitter.com/_/status/983725115903852544)
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@kevinmarks The best statement of #indieweb principles I've seen this year https://twitter.com/Shoq/status/983827715370422272 (twitter.com/_/status/983848986099535874)
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