#indieweb 2018-04-14

2018-04-14 UTC
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@michaelsmanley ↩️ Glitch seems cool, sort of like Processing or Scratch or, for us fossils, Hypercard, but I fear the obfuscation of the web platform done got out of the barn, particularly with WebAssembly coming. I dig indieweb tech but copy-paste dev has had its day. (twitter.com/_/status/984954356486287361)
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@jevdemon You have no freedom of speech on someone else's platform. If this is a concern you should learn how to POSSE. https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/984964285695709184)
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Salt !tell gRegorLove totally! SeaGL is Nov 9/10 this year and I can get us free space on UW campus. Giving my IndieWeb 101 talk at LFNW in a couple of weeks... really need to spend some time on it but just so busy with school.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk Salt: remind me to submit a talk for next year's LFNW!
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Salt aaronpk, will do, also SeaGL's cfp is opening on 6/4 ;)
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aaronpk adds to calendar
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jjuran aaronpk: ^
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jjuran tantek_: ^
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dansup Loqi ^
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jalcine >_<
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jalcine does anyone have chan ops?
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benharri stop it
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benharri can you not
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benharri onmorphis__ stop
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benharri bruh
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jalcine !ops
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eli_oat @aaronpk
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jalcine I just reported this stream and their Patreon
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jalcine going to escalate it at Patreon
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dansup jalcine: I've seen this before, apparently its not the streamer but someone mad at them
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jalcine christ
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eli_oat how cruel
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jalcine okay I can pull the Patreon report
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jalcine the YT one will be harder
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jalcine that was annoying
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dansup jalcine: if you goto the youtube stream and ask the streamer in chat about freenode spam
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jalcine Just did
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jalcine doubt they'll see it
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jalcine yeah... kinda clicked out ...
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eli_oat it is crazy — I'm on a couple of channels other than the IndieWeb ones, and they're all getting hit by this
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[cleverdevil] Wow. Really good reactions so far to the microcast 😀
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GWG [cleverdevil]: What was that address again?>
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[cleverdevil] cleverca.st
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aaronpk Argh when did podcast apps get so bad at downloading for offline listening when you also don't have Wi-Fi
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aaronpk I can't get Overcast or Castro to download this over my cell connection
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[cleverdevil] :/
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[cleverdevil] I think you have to actually tell them that’s it’s okay to download over cellular.
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[cleverdevil] I had the same problem until I went into the settings.
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aaronpk Aha that did it!
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aaronpk I would have appreciated a "no really please download this now" button
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[jeremycherfas] I’m not scrolling back through all that. Did anything interesting happen?
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@aaronpk Seriously tho, @Netflix should option Kill Process and release it as The Social Network 2. #indieweb #facebook #tomo /cc @hertling (twitter.com/_/status/985026638332084224)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ You missed a couple: Google Friend Connect http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2008/05/how-google-friend-connect-works.html and Apple Ping. http://epeus.blogspot.com/2010/09/welcome-apple-seriously.html #indieweb https://techcrunch.com/2008/06/17/not-so-social-google-and-facebook-face-off-at-supernova/ (twitter.com/_/status/985041482779414528)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Also https://brad.livejournal.com/2398409.html and https://www.zdnet.com/article/plaxo-screen-scraper-tool-offends-facebook/ and https://techcrunch.com/2007/10/23/with-friendcsv-data-sneaks-out-facebooks-back-door/ Then Facebook bought Octazen and scraped everyone else's sites very thoroughly https://techcrunch.com/2010/02/19/octazen-what-the-heck-did-facebook-just-buy-exactly-and-why/ #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/985044176441167872)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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sebsel Good morning jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas Hello sebsel. I don't actually have any IndieWeb plans today, but I like keeping in touch. You?
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sebsel I had the same, although I might be doing something anyway
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb, jeremycherfas, sebsel :-)
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jeremycherfas I can usefully report that my reading2known thing has worked flawlessly (manually) for three consecutive days. Yay me.
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Loqi :D
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Zegnat Nice!
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Zegnat Ugh. Just finished reading my backlog. Such spam.
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sebsel I was figuring out how to remove it from the logs in #meta
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jeremycherfas I gave up
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Zegnat Haven't gotten to reading the meta channel yet. Give me a minute, haha
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Zegnat jeremycherfas are you going to blog about the reading am project?
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jeremycherfas I was thinking about waiting until I can incorporate the env stuff, but if you think it would be useful before then I can certainly do that.
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Zegnat I don't know what is and isn't useful. I would just love to read about your experience setting up a bridge from a service to your own site.
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jeremycherfas An audience of one is just fine; I'll try and do it later today. Have to edit some audio first.
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@kevinmarks “ By focusing on growth and growth only, and ignoring the problems, they amassed a large set of cultural norms on their platforms that stem from harassment or abuse or bad behavior.” http://nzzl.us/XPMlGI3 #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/985073536887750657)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "“ By focusing on growth and growth ..." by Kevin Marks on 2018-04-14 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/-by-focusing-on-growth-and-growth
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sknebel good morning Indieweb!
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[kevinmarks] whats the extreme ellipsing about?
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Zegnat Maybe it is what superfeedr returns these days?
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Zegnat [kevinmarks], that very short title is your title in your feed.
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Zegnat It is also what I see in my feed reader. So that is superfeedr’s source. Maybe check how titles are generated there?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Hello all. My first note using the #indieweb Android app @indigenous" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-13 https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/hello-all-my-first-note-using-the-indieweb-android-app-indigenous-99a0595512a2?source=rss-be51ee086a18------2
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Trying to Create Wordpress Filters" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-14 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/14/trying-to-create-wordpress-filters
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Maybe I shouldn't go all @chisaldrich and keep my notes, bookmarks, and status updates off of wordpress instead. Looking at my blog feed many articles are" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-14 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/14/maybe-i-shouldnt-go-all-chisaldrich-and-keep-my-notes
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[jgmac1106] morning all, as you can see playing around with wordpresss. If wanted to ditch Wordpress, tired of playing this plug in breaks that plug in or doesn't work with that theme, where would you head? I would probably take most of my site and build a static website but will want a blogging platform as well
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jeremycherfas Withknown works.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Using the #indieweb Android app @indigenous to publish an update to my @withknown blog." by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-14 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/14/using-the-indieweb-android-app-indigenous-to-publish-an-update
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[jgmac1106] Yep just tried, just gonna do that and not have to rethink my entire content strategy. Son's birthday party today. Wife would murder me if I spent day deep in php
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GWG [jgmac1106]: It's kind, not post_kind
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[jgmac1106] @gwg, perfect will try and my gonna quit Wordpress rant is over, for now, kind of like hemorrhoids, painfully flares up randomly
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GWG [jgmac1106]: I find myself in the position of defending WordPress, however, I'm not happy with it regularly.
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[jgmac1106] though I may just keep Known for my microblogging and just leave my WP for more "portfolio" type articles
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[jgmac1106] makes you an empathetic defender, the best kind
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GWG I keep hoping people will work with me to make things better
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[jgmac1106] function myfeed_request($qv) {
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[jgmac1106] if (isset($qv['feed']) && !isset($qv['kind']))
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[jgmac1106] $qv['kind'] = array('article', );
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[jgmac1106] }
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[jgmac1106] return $qv;
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[jgmac1106] add_filter('request', 'myfeed_request');
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[jgmac1106] I tried that and then posted a note but it still showed up here: http://jgregorymcverry.com/posts/
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[jgmac1106] My goal was to write a filter so only articles show up
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[jgmac1106] will keep trying and @gwg everyone thanks you for keeping the hamsters on the wheeels
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GWG [jgmac1106]: What are you trying to do?
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[jgmac1106] tying to make the posts that load on this page: http://jgregorymcverry.com/posts/
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[jgmac1106] only be post_kind article
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GWG I think you have the wrong filter.
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[jgmac1106] I just want articles to show up on the wrong feed....probablyI am just remixing crap I cut and paste from three different places
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GWG You are filtering the RSS, I think
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GWG Not the actual page
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[jgmac1106] ohh, this where I didn't I thought WP justed used RSS to populate pages when you tell it to display categories on a page for example
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GWG No.
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[jgmac1106] yeah and searching for filter, feeds, page edits, etc wasn't easy
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GWG The posts page, how did you configure it?
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[jgmac1106] It the stupid changes they keep making to customizer its like a bunch of people are sitting in a room and saying , "how can we remove functionality and increase complexity?"
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GWG Did you set the posts to go to a static page under Settings->Reading?
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[jgmac1106] yes, but you can't choose a format or post-kind
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[jgmac1106] so I then I went and looked at that page in my child theme and then function.php file
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GWG Yes, but find the page id of that page, and change, isset($qv['feed']) to that page_id === $qv['p'] and that should do it
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[jgmac1106] thx will try
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sebsel Can I nudge you guys to #dev ? :)
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[jgmac1106] sure
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GWG [jgmac1106]: #wordpress is probably more appropriate.
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GWG The dev people don't want WordPress talk either
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[jgmac1106] always the stepchild
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[eddie] 😆
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@kaushalmodi Looking for examples of how people are setting up #Micropub endpoints for their #Hugo sites deployed via @Netlify @GoHugoIO @thenewdynamic #microblog #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/985165691736248320)
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@JmacDotOrg Making progress with Plerd IndieWeb integration. Using “backfeed” techniques (https://indieweb.org/backfeed) to pull Twitter pings onto my posts. (twitter.com/_/status/985178746830381058)
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GWG Okay, new Post Kinds release. Next, time to give Bridgy Publish an overhaul due new Micropub hook.
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@schmarty A new way to podcast, blogging is back, and so many silo quits. It's your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for April 7th - 13th, 2018. https://martymcgui.re/2018/04/14/114635/ (twitter.com/_/status/985183436724953088)
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@huffduffer This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • April 7th - 13th, 2018 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/471373 (twitter.com/_/status/985187472098328579)
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@40tech In the spirit of #indieweb, this blogger has put together a weblog of indie Apple bloggers, and intends to continue adding to the sources. [#OpenWeb]( https://www.40tech.com/2018/04/14/openweb/ Source: https://initialcharge.net/2018/04/hashtag-open-web/) (twitter.com/_/status/985193317221781504)
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@HongPong ↩️ http://Indieweb.org people have been working on this for years, not getting the easy money spotlight of proprietary crews #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/985194246947983360)
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Zegnat Oo: https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/11/download-your-instagram-photos/
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aaronpk oh maybe I won't need to add mass import to ownyourgram after all
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dgold I've just only now found out about indienews
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dgold i am a bad indiewebman
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Zegnat Or IndieWeb is bad at marketing, dgold :)
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[cleverdevil] Hello IndieWeb, from 30k feet.
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[cleverdevil] Flying back home to LA from ATL.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: You were on my side of the country and you didn't stop by? I'm so hurt.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: Which airline?
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[cleverdevil] Delta.
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[cleverdevil] (As always).
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GWG [cleverdevil]: Ah.
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[cleverdevil] I am working on a fun project in flight.
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[cleverdevil] Only being hampered by the slow wifi.
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GWG I flew on them last year, when I left PDX after IWS
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GWG [cleverdevil]: Do they block SSH?
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GWG JetBlue does
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[cleverdevil] Nope, SSH works fine.
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[cleverdevil] But, the project requires downloading some of my original photos from cloud storage which is... slow.
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[cleverdevil] (In spite of the fact that this is supposedly the "fast" in-flight wifi capable of streaming video.)
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GWG [cleverdevil]: Still haven't gotten to your podcast yet. Will though
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[cleverdevil] No worries.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: What have you been up to, in an indieweb on topic sense?
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[cleverdevil] I just ordered a cheap podcasting mic to make future episodes better.
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GWG Which one?
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[cleverdevil] Blue Snowball.
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[cleverdevil] I've been working on three or four projects 😉
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[cleverdevil] The one I am working on now is to restore my original personal website to the web, and then import all of the content to my current website.
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GWG Fun.
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GWG I'm still doing the WordPress thing
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[cleverdevil] I've restored all of the text content and about ¾ of the media already, using the wayback machine.
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[cleverdevil] But, about 50 photos didn't get archived by the wayback machine.
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[cleverdevil] So, I am going through my archived photos and restoring them from there.
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GWG I should start doing a Flashback Friday or a Throwback Thursday photo post. I have a lot of photos.
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Loqi yea!
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dgold [cleverdevil]: did you iTunes your pod?
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[cleverdevil] I did!
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[cleverdevil] Its linked now from http://cleverca.st/subscribe
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dgold yay!
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Loqi yay!
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dgold ok, sometimes loqi can be annoying
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[kevinmarks] Snowball is pretty good, Yeti is very nice.
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, I may upgrade if my microcast catches on.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: What are you hoping to accomplish?
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[cleverdevil] With the microcast?
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GWG [cleverdevil]: Yes. What do you want to do?
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GWG I know, my goal in podcasting is to have a nice conversation and share it with others
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[cleverdevil] So, I am just not sure I'll be able to get into a rhythm, or find a voice.
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[cleverdevil] But, I like the idea of capturing things in lots of different mediums.
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[cleverdevil] Its becoming especially clear as I go back and look at photos and videos with my kids from way back in my archives.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: You should talk about that
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[cleverdevil] Good idea.
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[cleverdevil] My next episode will hopefully cover the restoration of my old website.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: chrisaldrich and I need to finish another episode
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[cleverdevil] :thumbsup:
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GWG [cleverdevil]: We were in the middle of one three weeks ago when I had to run suddenly due an emergency, and we just haven't gotten together since, due being busy
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@cheribaker I’m learning about the #indieweb. You can OWN your social data, push it out to platforms if you want to. Here’s a link to my test social feed: http://cheri.micro.blog/ (twitter.com/_/status/985250734642900992)
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[cleverdevil] Sigh. The Wi-Fi on this flight is so painfully slow, I am not going to be able to get through this project on board.
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[cleverdevil] I have around 65 photos that were on my old site that didn't get mirrored by the wayback machine.
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[cleverdevil] So, I am having to dig through my Photos app for each one, and download the originals from iCloud. I didn't use the same filenames, either, so I have to really guess.
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[cleverdevil] That said, I was able to get a Python script done that converts all of the posts into MF2 JSON, ready to post once I am done with the images.
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[cleverdevil] In addition, I discovered two amusing posts -> http://www.skinnee.net/archives/000001.html and http://www.skinnee.net/archives/000002.html
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[cleverdevil] MovableType!
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[cleverdevil] ❤
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camb[m] Lol I've never had wifi on a flight ;)
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Zegnat What is Movable Type?
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Loqi Movable Type is commercial blogging software written in Perl and originally released in 2001 https://indieweb.org/Movable_Type
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Zegnat What is MovableType?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "MovableType" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "MovableType is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat MovableType is [[Movable Type]]
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Loqi ok
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[cleverdevil] I was very pleased with myself back then, being able to run Movable Type locally on my PowerBook.
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[cleverdevil] Then running that little Python script to create differential tarballs that were automatically expanded on my web server.
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[cleverdevil] I also remember being in New Zealand when Apple announced Safari using khtml, and nearly losing my mind.
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grantcodes I'm glad I'm not old enough to have that many years of archives yet 😂
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[cleverdevil] 😄
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[kevinmarks] I made a moveable type to Hugo converter before
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[kevinmarks] If that's any use
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[cleverdevil] Nope, its all set 🙂
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[cleverdevil] My biggest issue at this stage is missing content in the internet archive.
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[cleverdevil] But, that's fixable with manual effort digging through my photo library.
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Zegnat Next events: Homebrew Website Club Meetup https://indieweb.org/events/2018-04-18-homebrew-website-club and IWC Düsseldorf! https://indieweb.org/2018/Düsseldorf. Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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[cleverdevil] The move is going well, so far! I've now moved all of the HTML side over. Still lots of 404s for images. But, now I have content from 2002-2003!
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[cleverdevil] https://cleverdevil.io/2003/im-engaged
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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[pfefferle] GWG have you re-checked my changes?
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GWG Yes. They were just indents and a few minor HTML things
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[pfefferle] added missing .svnignore
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[pfefferle] can you review?
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[pfefferle] GWG?
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GWG [pfefferle]: I did review.
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GWG Did you add a new one?
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GWG Let me look
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GWG Done.
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[pfefferle] GWG should I release?
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GWG I think so
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[pfefferle] gogogo
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GWG It is ready for general use
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[pfefferle] https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieauth/releases/tag/2.0.0
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sknebel nice!
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GWG [pfefferle]: As soon as it hits wordpress.org, it is going on my main site.
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[pfefferle] GWG done https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieauth/
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GWG I did all the testing on my test site.
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Loqi [IndieWebCamp WordPress Outreach Club] Description The plugin turns WordPress into an IndieAuth endpoint. This can be used to act as an authentication mechanism for WordPress and its REST API, as well as an identity mechanism for other sites. Alternatively, you can use a third-party Ind...
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GWG Now, I have to reauthorize anything that has my endpoint cached.
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Some #indieweb tools that may help you in future: http://unmung.com will make feeds into useful microformatted html. http://Huffduffer.com will help you make arbitrary mp3 links into a podcast feed. http://huffduff-video.snarfed.org will do it for videos too. (twitter.com/_/status/985278894206078984)
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[pfefferle] seems to work!
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GWG [pfefferle]: In a future version, I may redo the token revoking page. But it's good for now.
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GWG [pfefferle]: What's next on our dream list?
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schmarty haha
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schmarty GWG++ take some time to celebrate a win like releasing a WordPress indieauth endpoint! :D
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Loqi gwg has 229 karma in this channel (327 overall)
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aaronpk Ooh this is worth a blog post or severa
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GWG aaronpk: I wrote one last week, didn't I?
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GWG You liked it I believe
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aaronpk Yes!
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aaronpk But now you can write one that tells people they can download it!
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aaronpk Also I may have to do an excited microcast episode about this
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GWG That may just be a note.
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GWG aaronpk: I have a recording with chrisaldrich tomorrow where I'll probably ponder it.
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GWG aaronpk: I am Percolator listener though
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GWG schmarty, I don't stop
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GWG I am thinking about a POSSE plugin
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[cleverdevil] That’s awesome news. Great job GWG!
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[cleverdevil] I’ve found a solution to my storage problem I discussed on my first microcast 😀
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GWG Aaronpk helped a lot.
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[cleverdevil] I should be able to store everything in S3 and be able to query for posts by date, category, and permalink.
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[cleverdevil] Downside? I have to store duplicate data.
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GWG I need to ask for a aaronpk Seal of Approval badge
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[cleverdevil] Hah. That really should be a thing.
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Loqi it is probable
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aaronpk an IndieAuth certification? lol
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aaronpk I do need to make a proper test suite for it
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