#indieweb 2018-04-16

2018-04-16 UTC
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@EddieHinkle ↩️ FYI in terms of easy and iOS. One option on Jekyll or Wordpress is Micropub (https://indieweb.org/Micropub). Wordpress has plugins and Jekyll has options (https://indieweb.org/Jekyll). Then you can use Indigenous (https://indieweb.org/Indigenous_for_iOS) to post (https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/04/15/23/reply/) (twitter.com/_/status/985704031547949057)
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[cleverdevil] Yay, episode two is posted - cleverca.st
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[cleverdevil] Much better production value this time 😄
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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[kevinmarks] What is silo quits
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Loqi silo quits are public statements by individuals announcing they have publicly quit posting on or using (at all) various silos, either with intended permanence, or temporarily (sometimes referred to as taking a "social media break") https://indieweb.org/silo-quits
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[kevinmarks] silo quits << http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43781281 "It's becoming increasingly obvious that people spend too much time on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook, and struggle to control the compulsion," [Wetherspoons CEO] Mr Martin added.
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43781281 "It's becoming increasingly obvious that people spend too much time on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook, and struggle to control the compulsion," [Wetherspoons CEO] Mr Martin added." to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=46879&oldid=46829
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Loqi [superfeedr] "It’s a Journey" by Khürt Williams on 2018-04-15 https://islandinthenet.com/its-a-journey/
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat For the German speakers (or at least listeners) this may be a very interesting podcast to give a shot! https://sebastiangreger.net/2018/04/working-draft-podcast-on-privacy-and-gdpr/
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filippos1 search functionality doesn't seem to work? I get 500
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cweiske where?
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filippos1 here, I am connected through the web
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filippos1 on the left there is a search input which doesn't seem to work
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filippos1 https://chat.indieweb.org I use that
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cweiske i'll check
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cweiske ok, works again
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filippos1 thanks! works now
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@jgmac1106 #OER and #indieweb: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/16/oer-and-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/985842423292092416)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ My original idea for my next #indieweb project was to set up http://micro.blog and a reader for my students... But I need to get my own house in order before building the village. (twitter.com/_/status/985843137036746757)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Absolutely correct. The people are eager and ..." by Jeremy Cherfas on 2018-04-16 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2018/absolutely-correct-the-people-are-eager-and
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Blake would have his own site running code he wrote himself called Illuminated Web. He'd post pictures to Instagram but point out that they didn't do full justice to the original. #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/985859504356102144)
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skippy good morning.
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Loqi good morning
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jeremycherfas Hello skippy
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@JanetGunter Learning more about the very high walls around Facebook's garden, with the Indie Web community's help https://indieweb.org/POSSE_to_Facebook (twitter.com/_/status/985862076181696512)
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[snarfed] internet archive is doing another decentralized web summit, August 1-2 in SF. https://decentralizedweb.net/
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aaronpk do they do CFPs? or is it an unconference?
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[jgmac1106] ask [kevinmarks] he was on panels last year if I recall correctly
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[jgmac1106] I remember it being a ton of heavy hitters on panels with a lot of demo and hack sessions in parallel but I was only watching on Twitter
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[kevinmarks] They had 3 days. Day 1 was invite only, group stuff. Day 2 was keynotes and panels, day 3 was unconference
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[jgmac1106] Hey for those of us checking in on Slack if we use the threaded feature are we breaking the irc integration... Should just go back and open my irc clients
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Zegnat I think threaded messages are flattened. So people on IRC lose context. At least that is how I remember it.
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Zegnat missed the answer in #meta and feels silly now.
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/985884018477551616?s=19
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@random_walker 7 simple steps to control your privacy: —Quit Facebook —Install an ad/tracker blocker —Destroy your smartphone —Paint your face before going outside —Write opt-out letters to each of the 4,000 data brokers —Avoid other humans (FB gets your data from them) —Move to a remote forest (twitter.com/_/status/985884018477551616)
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skippy oh, is that all? Easy!
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[kevinmarks] Remote forest? https://www.instagram.com/p/Bhj3EzxFllI/
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Zegnat Remote forest? *looks out the window*
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tantek good morning #indieweb
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chrisaldrich Buenos días todos
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chrisaldrich I was thinking about plurality this morning in relation to Conway's Law... are we collectively creating something slightly non-plural, just at a higher level, given our mutual collaboration and inter-operation?
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[eddie] What is Conway’s Law?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Conway’s Law" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Conway’s Law is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law
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[eddie] That was to chrisaldrich, not you, Loqi
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[eddie] Ohhh thanks :)
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chrisaldrich Though in some sense, the widely distributed nature of the way we interact via chat and the wiki somewhat mirrors the way in which the web exists.... so perhaps we're organizing in a way that creates what we're aiming for?
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chrisaldrich In some sense I'm wondering what things will look like decades hence based on decisions we make today....
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[eddie] I think we are creating something singular-ish at a higher level. But I think our willingness to inter-operate with other technology like rss and jsonfeeds for our readers helps the plurality angle
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chrisaldrich It'll take some thinking to come up with examples of this, but certainly an idea worth considering.
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[eddie] Interesting
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@t Event: Homebrew Website Club SF — Special 418 Tea Time Edition! At: 2018-04-18 17:30 @MozSF RSVP: http://tantek.com/e/4tz1 (twitter.com/_/status/985943380323721216)
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chrisaldrich Some of this is motivated by discussion in This Week in Google here: https://twit.cachefly.net/audio/twit/twit0662/twit0662.mp3#t=5880
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[kevinmarks] I had some of tat discussion again on twitter yesterday
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[kevinmarks] thread around this: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/985590798577295362
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@kevinmarks @amyjokim @stevesi That's the point I made in http://j.mp/twittertheory - the Web and blogs scaled because they were comfortable with multiple parallel semi overlapping publics. Engagement chasing creates too much positive feedback and it's like a runaway amplifier - all howlround. (twitter.com/_/status/985590798577295362)
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skippy what is tummler?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tummler" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "tummler is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich We need more IndieWeb tummlers..
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tantek chrisaldrich: speaking of, when's the next HWC LA?
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[kevinmarks] tummler is the person who keeps everyone else talking interestingly. Short version http://j.mp/tummler - long version is 100 hours of conversation http://tummelvision.tv
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Loqi ok
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chrisaldrich skippy, Kevin provides links to definitions here: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/985684295888048130
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@kevinmarks @amyjokim @stevesi The person who keeps everyone else talking interestingly. Short version http://j.mp/tummler - long version is 100 hours of conversation http://tummelvision.tv (twitter.com/_/status/985684295888048130)
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skippy yes, i found the definition. thanks.
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chrisaldrich tantek, I'll have something more solid/regular sometime on wednesday when I've finished up a major project (and my tax returns). :)
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chrisaldrich Kevin is a biased source, but I can confirm that the long 100 hour version is very enriching.
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AngeloGladding chrisaldrich when you free up some time you can count me in
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chrisaldrich AngeloGladding, you can always feel free to set something up as well, I know there are several who will show up.
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@_janson_ Feeling feelings and updating my personal todo list. cref. http://www.manton.org/2018/03/indieweb-generation-4-and-hosted-domains.html & Tim Carmody on Kottke: https://kottke.org/18/03/blogging-social-media-and-ambient-humanity (twitter.com/_/status/985950995749449729)
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[kevinmarks] I hope at some point a grad student or freelance producer is going to edit those shows into a clear narrative. There's a lot of great stuff there.
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chrisaldrich kevinmarks, I always hoped you guys would keep producing them. I still miss that slot in my podcast lineup.
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[kevinmarks] we lost our producer, and none of the 3 of us picked up the work
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AngeloGladding not sure how to word this but here goes -- has their ever been a discussion comparing IndieWeb implementations to web browsers? are we not destined to wind up with three or four fully-compliant implementations?
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tantek sounds meta
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Event" on 2018-04-16 http://tantek.com/2018/108/e1/homebrew-website-club-sf
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@kevinmarks “the Twitter system doesn’t recognize that it’s encouraging people to follow additional extremist accounts, and Facebook’s Groups engine doesn’t understand why directing conspiracy theorists to new conspiracy communities is possibly a bad idea.” https://www.wired.com/story/creating-ethical-recommendation-engines/ #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/985983194523512832)
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tantek what is a recommendation engine
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Loqi A recommendation engine is software or a service that recommends things to people based on their behavior or people that have behaved like them in the past, like the features of sites that say things like people that bought this also bought that, or liked, or followed, etc https://indieweb.org/recommendation_engine
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tantek recommendation engine << https://www.wired.com/story/creating-ethical-recommendation-engines/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.wired.com/story/creating-ethical-recommendation-engines/" to the "See Also" section of /recommendation_engine https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=46926&oldid=37016
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j12t Just noticed there will be an IndieWeb talk at Linuxfest Northwest on the weekend after next: https://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org/conferences/lfnw18/program/proposals/127
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tantek j12t awesome! Please add it to /events!
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j12t tantek: do you know the speaker?
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tantek yes, Salt is a semi-regular here :)
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j12t Ah, Salt[m], happy to meet up in Bellingham if you are available.
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@miklb ↩️ @chrisdmacrae @zachleat @robweychert I would start with https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/985988800932392961)
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@perlnews PrePAN: Web::Mention - An implementation of the Webmention protocol, as defined by the W3C and the IndieWeb community. (jmacdotorg@github) - http://prepan.org/module/nYhnPU5b9c1 (twitter.com/_/status/985990395686371328)
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tantek what is a dark post?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "dark post" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "dark post is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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j12t So aaronpk and cleverdevil, your reader demos recently were awesome. Want myself! Tolerant of duct tape :-) What do I need to do to replicate this for a new site?
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aaronpk if you can manage to get Aperture and Watchtower running (dgold has some good instructions!), then you can sign in to Together and Monocle!
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aaronpk this is not for the faint of heart right now though
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aaronpk though at this point Aperture is relatively stable, I'm using it every day, and I'm also not planning on doing another major development sprint on it for a month or two
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aaronpk so maybe i should polish up the installation process a bit in advance of the godaddy post going out
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[miklb] I’ll be a guinea pig to test installing on local dev
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@JmacDotOrg And here’s a @PrePANorg RFC for my proposed Web::Mention Perl module. http://prepan.org/module/nYhnPU5b9c1 (Different than yesterday’s RFC. Been busy, I.) #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/985993537849380865)
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skippy make a docker container of each piece, for easier consumption?
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skippy i'm also interested in a reader. I used to use Miniflux, and liked it; but happy to try something new.
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tantek it sounds like setting up these readers is currently dev-level
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skippy yup.
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j12t aaronpk: where are those dgold instructions?
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aaronpk sent links in dev
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[cleverdevil] We have a hosted version of together at https://alltogethernow.io
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[cleverdevil] Its less the reader side, more the microsub side.
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skippy I cant seem to log into that, [cleverdevil].
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skippy "Error getting auth url"
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Loqi [superfeedr] "“the Twitter system doesn’t recognize that it’s ..." by Kevin Marks on 2018-04-16 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/the-twitter-system-doesnt-recognize-that-its
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, you need to have a micropub endpoint specified in a <link rel="microsub"> tag on your website.
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skippy oh i see.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The Social Web" by Colin Walker on 2018-04-16 https://colinwalker.blog/the-social-web/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Rise of the IndieWeb - Amber Case - FutureTalks" on 2014-02-07 https://vimeo.com/86120553
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Listening to @amywebb @jasonhiner and @ltutterentine on @twit predicting the ne t wave of computing. In the list of ten companies sheparding in AI @mozilla was" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-16 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/16/listening-to-amywebb-jasonhiner-and-ltutterentine-on-twit-predicting-the
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Loqi [superfeedr] "My Next #indieweb task" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-15 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/15/my-next-indieweb-task
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@aaronpk I am helping a functional glass artist collective move to an #indieweb model. Currently installed have no website with no e-commerce solution. Everything runs through Instagram," by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-16 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/16/aaronpk-i-am-helping-a-functional-glass-artist-collective-move
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Loqi [superfeedr] "My original idea for my next #indieweb project was to set up micro.blog and a reader for my students... But I need to get my" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-16 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/16/my-original-idea-for-my-next-indieweb-project-was-to
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Loqi [superfeedr] "#OER and #indieweb" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-16 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/16/oer-and-indieweb
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@MitchellMcKenna ↩️ I built an old lifestreaming platform called LifePress to pull in things like tweets, GitHub stars, etc to http://mitchmckenna.com It has support for microblog posts but it was written in PHP and needs to be rewritten to follow IndieWeb standards. Considering using NodeJS. (twitter.com/_/status/986008923009302532)
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