#indieweb 2018-04-18

2018-04-18 UTC
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@WorkingWriter Very timely. Considering they started recording in March, perhaps even ahead of its time! #indieweb #DeleteFacebook https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/986349112390856704 (twitter.com/_/status/986402706662285312)
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@sadlerjw Wrapping My Head Around http://Micro.blog and IndieWeb: https://www.sadlerjw.com/2018/04/17/wrapping-my-head-around-micro-blog-and-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/986404132826296320)
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aaronpk there have been a bunch of fun posts like that lately, showing up here from both twitter and superfeedr
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aaronpk I want to collect them better. think those are good for https://indieweb.org/Posts_about_the_IndieWeb ? or is that page reserved for larger posts?
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aaronpk I guess this is #indieweb-meta
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@jackysee > Owning your content isn’t about portable software. It’s about portable URLs and data. It’s about domain names. http://www.manton.org/2018/03/indieweb-generation-4-and-hosted-domains.html (twitter.com/_/status/986418716282904578)
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tantek ^^^ this
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@sdepolo ↩️ Hanging in there. Been #socialMedia fasting to get back to blogging. Your podcast with @ginidietrich inspires me to get real about the work involved. #indieweb movement fires me up to persevere. Thanks for asking. (twitter.com/_/status/986419622202060800)
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tantek losing the context of *who* someone is replying to hurts the understanding of the message (yes yes I know I need to fix the very same problem on my home page replies :) )
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aaronpk Eh the long twitter canoes were more annoying
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tantek first @- in the reply chain then? that should be the most recent person that is being replied to
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tantek (apologies for the indieweb-meta)
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[kevinmarks] https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/17/facebook-gdpr-changes/amp/?__indieweb_impression=true
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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@ashpland Does #indieweb have any ideas for the type of interaction that Facebook Groups offers? Membership, moderation, threaded discussions, shared photos / files. (twitter.com/_/status/986519791522516992)
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@calum_ryan No @HWCLondon this week back on May 2nd (https://hwclondon.co.uk/meetups/20180502#intro) #indieweb (https://calumryan.com/note/1487) (twitter.com/_/status/986523719680983040)
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@qAJolYAmlbVvQQR https://bit.ly/2qmPKVC analsexluxembourg indieweb pigpay thatshit kinks allylyons1 popstar piccollage theresident columbusday cleveland last performinglive boxingday (twitter.com/_/status/986523971578458112)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Liked: Wrapping My Head Around Micro.blog and IndieWeb – JSON Writes... Even the IndieWeb website doesn’t do a great job of explaining what it is, or what it means to “join the IndieWeb”. As far as I can tell, it’s a collection of practices and technologies that connects independent blog-type websites together into a quasi social network. Read the full post..." by Colin Walker on 2018-04-18 https://colinwalker.blog/18-04-2018-0837/
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cweiske nice footnote rendering: https://www.sadlerjw.com/2018/04/17/wrapping-my-head-around-micro-blog-and-indieweb/
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cweiske (below "Json writes" headline)
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jeremycherfas Do you mean the number within the gray oval, or the way it pops up?
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cweiske I mean the fact that I don't have to scroll down to see it
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jeremycherfas Right. Mine do not pop up, but they do go to the footnote if you click and they do offer a back link. I'm never sure about popus that obscure the text. Probably not too bad.
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jeremycherfas Given that the site is WP, it could be the Bigfoot notes plugin, which is very popular.
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sknebel good morning!
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jeremycherfas Good morning
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@StegoProphecies Mastodon: a federated social network that slowly gains momentum, now 1.3M users https://dashboards.mnm.social/d/000000006/network-drilldown . Silos soon no longer kings? https://indieweb.org/silo . Consider #takebackyourdata with https://joinmastodon.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/986558934340251648)
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sl007 Hey there, ust recognized that indiewebcamp in Düsseldorf is just one day after https://18.re-publica.com/de – anybody attending? Maybe going by car DUS-BER-DUS then.
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@sl007 Gerade bemerkt, daß https://indieweb.org/2018/Düsseldorf beginnt, wenn die @republica endet, wer ist denn sowohl als auch da ? (twitter.com/_/status/986567827359436800)
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skippy good morning.
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Loqi good morning!
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skippy I like colinwalker's theme.
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dgold "Even the IndieWeb website doesn’t do a great job of explaining what it is, or what it means to “join the IndieWeb”. As far as I can tell, it’s a collection of practices and technologies that connects independent blog-type websites together into a quasi social network. Sound familiar?"
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dgold ...
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jeremycherfas I think Jason has a point that we all keep talking about, which is to have different entry points for different gens.
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[kaushal_modi] Good morning!
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jeremycherfas But so few of us have the concentrated time to make a meaningful dent in that problem.
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petermolnar see -meta, I've been talking about this
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jeremycherfas I've seen it, and I saw it this morning too, and I agree.
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[jgmac1106] but you are building a multi generational and peer supported learning environment. That is key
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[jgmac1106] the problem is lowering and flattening the barriers and increasing points of entry, since I can't do the heavy lifting thereI can start to help. This is where oopen source communities falter by never putting effort in recruiting non-technical contributors.
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[jgmac1106] I wish there was a way my annotations worked with micropub and webmentions, https://hyp.is/DYmxDEMGEei4P6_x0lZsfA/thehill.com/homenews/senate/383663-senate-gop-wary-of-new-tax-cut-sequel instead I just add a feed to my annotations on my homepage
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@fakebaldur “An Introduction to the IndieWeb” http://boffosocko.com/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/986615555040800768)
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@petermolnar @sadlerjw I tried to add a little clarification to defining the IndieWeb: https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb - I'd welcome your thoughts on it, and on how the definition it could be made simpler to understand. (twitter.com/_/status/986619588535291904)
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@netzplosion Zusatzpunkte für die #IndieWebCamp- und #NUEWW-Aufkleber auf dem Laptop. 😊 https://twitter.com/mhaseneyer/status/986592582531796992 (twitter.com/_/status/986621422440189958)
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@jgmac1106 @petermolnar Does an awesome job of explaining the #indieweb community. We were discussing how some of the principles can be too hard for new users to grasp. I will be using this guide a lot. (twitter.com/_/status/986624414383927297)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@petermolnar Does an awesome job of explaining the #indieweb community. We were discussing how some of the principles can be too hard for new users to" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-18 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/18/petermolnar-does-an-awesome-job-of-explaining-the-indieweb-communitywe
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Okay @amazon I know you are jealous that for 50% of the web's new users think @facebook is the internet but that doesn't give" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-18 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/18/okay-amazon-i-know-you-are-jealous-that-for-50%25
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@jgmac1106 Okay @amazon I know you are jealous that for 50% of the web's new users think @facebook is the internet but that doesn't give you an excuse to name an app the @internet More proof why we need to support the #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/986627009009733633)
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@jgmac1106 Hey #oer18 is this the most current documentation on LRMI and A11y markup: https://www.dropbox.com/s/b8u46amrufp87pz/OERCv3.2MetadataApplicationProfile.docx?dl=0 I am trying to bring my websites into compliance but also think about how I can integrate #indieweb tools I also want to keep things as vanilla HTML/CSS… http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/18/hey-oer18-is-this-the-most-current-documentation-on-lrmi (twitter.com/_/status/986628910799470593)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Hey #oer18 is this the most current documentation on LRMI and A11y markup: https://www.dropbox.com/s/b8u46amrufp87pz/OERCv3.2MetadataApplicationProfile.docx?dl=0 I am trying to bring my websites into compliance but also" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-18 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/18/hey-oer18-is-this-the-most-current-documentation-on-lrmi
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Cool Things You Can Do On Drafts 5" by Jeff Perry on 2018-04-18 http://tracking.feedpress.it/link/18293/8896507
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@petermolnar ↩️ There are plans in motion to re-organise and potentially re-phrase the IndieWeb principles in a more inclusive way: starting from the least technical aspects, only later followed by the more developer oriented ones, but this will probably not happen before end of June. (twitter.com/_/status/986638122359447552)
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tantek oh?
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tantek petermolnar: no need - that's already there with the three points on the home page
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jeremycherfas Lots of need, judging by some of the conversations elsewhere.
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tantek jeremycherfas: are we keeping track of these issues? or is it folklore?
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petermolnar see -meta from today
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jeremycherfas Petermolnar++ and others are responding to the post too.
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Loqi petermolnar has 32 karma in this channel (54 overall)
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tantek what post? nothing in that tweet thread
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tantek petermolnar: ok will check meta logs later
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jeremycherfas https://www.sadlerjw.com/2018/04/17/wrapping-my-head-around-micro-blog-and-indieweb/
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petermolnar there were two link today, both mentioning indieweb is hard to grasp for those who never saw the internet before social media. I've read through principles, IndieWeb, what, why, etc entries, while trying to keep a non-technical head (gen3+), and, to be honest, it's very far from understandable.
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jeremycherfas My garden needs me. Good night IndieWeb
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petermolnar the principles need reordering and rephrasing for certain, leaving the technical guidance to the bottom, preferable wording even those without too much technical vocabulary
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aaronpk -> #indieweb-meta
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petermolnar these are not the first entries I see about the indieweb being blurry on what it stands for, and it's probably time to address it
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petermolnar true, sorry
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tantek petermolnar: if you're going to say "true, sorry" please follow up such a strong statement with a list of citations
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petermolnar "true, sorry" is re: aaronpk -> -meta
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tantek oops, then me, sorry :)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Following Clevercast" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-04-18 http://boffosocko.com/2018/04/18/following-clevercast/
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@aaronpk Reminder! @oktadev is buying drinks at tonight's Homebrew Microblog Meetup! 🍻🔜 https://indieweb.org/events/2018-04-18-homebrew-microblog Looking forward to meeting everyone tonight! (twitter.com/_/status/986660606676647936)
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aaronpk neat! I didn't realize you had a following page! http://boffosocko.com/about/following/#Microcasts
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Wrapping My Head Around Micro.blog and IndieWeb" by Jason Sadler on 2018-04-18 https://www.sadlerjw.com/2018/04/17/wrapping-my-head-around-micro-blog-and-indieweb/
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singpolyma aaronpk: Where does one set the IRC or XMPP notifications on webmention.io? Or is that only if self-hosting?
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aaronpk yeah that's only for self-hosting
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aaronpk there's no UI for it, you have to set it in the database
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singpolyma ok, cool
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@ciudadanoB Algunas recomendaciones -mientras sigo investigando- → Plugins de WordPress para la IndieWeb https://ciudadanob.com/blog/2018/04/18/plugins-de-wordpress-para-la-indieweb/ #ResistenciaWCMadrid (twitter.com/_/status/986714683553001473)
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@indiewebcamp ↩️ @MisterKapowski Feel free to drop by the chat if you'd like help debugging! https://indieweb.org/discuss (twitter.com/_/status/986721848564961285)
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aaronpk whoops didn't mean to tweet that from @indiewebcamp, oh well
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@MisterKapowski ↩️ @indiewebcamp Will do, next time I get a chance to sit down and work on it! 👍 (twitter.com/_/status/986722054467670016)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "That's a great #indieweb Christmas present. Congratulations! https://twitter.com/evrenk/status/959148056766754816?s=09" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-02-02 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2018/thats-a-great-indieweb-christmas-present-congratulations-evrenkstatus959148056766754816s09
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