#indieweb 2018-04-19
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@sdepolo I'm headed out to #indieweb meetup soon.
@jackyalcine will I see you there tonight?
@t is serving Tea. That's meta. https://indieweb.org/events/2018-04-18-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco (twitter.com/_/status/986756904557862912)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Today I finally ran into a particular IndieWeb problem I knew would eventually come. Uploading so much of my content that I’d eventually need to bump up the storage capacity of the server for my online presence. The 12GB cap I ran into does bring into much sharper focus the amount of content I post … Continue reading """ by Chris Aldrich on 2018-04-19 http://boffosocko.com/2018/04/18/hitting-server-storage-capacity/
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[charliepark] Heading to the SF meetup with my daughter, Kate. Should be there in about 10 or 15 minutes.
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@ChrisAldrich I finally ran into an #IndieWeb problem I knew would eventually come. Uploading so much of my content that I'd need to bump up the storage capacity of my server. The 12GB cap does bring into much sharper focus the amount of content I post online.
http://boffosocko.com/2018/04/18/hitting-server-storage-capacity/ (twitter.com/_/status/986773194890592256)
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@anikasai Arriving in SF off a 10 hour flight from London and omw to high tea and fresh baked scones w/the Homebrew Website Club - props @t! 👌 #indieweb @MozSF (twitter.com/_/status/986779973267505152)
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tantek now discussing http://enwp.org/HTTP_418
# @sdepolo At #indieweb meetup celebrating Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol with Tea, yes, actual Tea. https://buff.ly/2HsBg1l (twitter.com/_/status/986783368045047808)
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# [sdepolo] 418 at SF HWC https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FAA93EQMU/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg?pub_secret=61c5be7112&name=Image uploaded from iOS.jpg #htp418 #save418 ☕ on 418 at SF HWC
# [sdepolo] Tea time https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FA9C8E5B4/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg?pub_secret=425d9ddaf6&name=Image uploaded from iOS.jpg Cheers #iamateapot #rfc2324 #htp418 #save418 ☕ on 418 at SF HWC
# Loqi [superfeedr] "An Indieweb Podcast- Episode 2: IndieAuth" by David Shanske on 2018-04-19 https://david.shanske.com/2018/04/18/an-indieweb-podcast-episode-2-indieauth/
# tantek actual URL that returns a 418! https://www.google.com/teapot
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@HongPong ↩️ You might want to authenticate with http://keybase.io to kind of build up a nucleus of profiles on better services
See also http://indieweb.org there are lots of tools to check out. Cheers (twitter.com/_/status/986793006660452352)
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# @sdepolo Cheers #imateapot #rfc2324 #htp418 #save418
☕️ on 4.18 at SF #indieweb HWC ☕️
cc: @mnot @t @jackyalcine @bdesham @anikasai @charliepark (twitter.com/_/status/986794557911138304)
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# @sdepolo Cheers #imateapot #rfc2324 #http418 #happy418 #save418
☕️ on 4.18 at SF #indieweb HWC ☕️
cc: @mnot @t @jackyalcine @bdesham @anikasai @charliepark @MozSF (twitter.com/_/status/986798152928735232)
# Loqi Sorry, you have to be listed on https://indieweb.org/irc-people before you can help retweet
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@jackyalcine Today's #HTTP418! We're celebrating it at @indiewebcamp over at @mozilla SF! (twitter.com/_/status/986798420403748864)
# Loqi Thanks tantek_ and jalcine! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/986798599345291264
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# Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/sdepolo/status/986798152928735232" to a new "See Also" section of /events/2018-04-18-homebrew-website-club https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=47017&oldid=47016
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jalcine re: European countries getting aggresive about data privacy & Facebook https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-privacy/france-builds-whatsapp-rival-due-to-surveillance-risk-idUSKBN1HN258
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@GauthRaj ↩️ @jgmac1106 @amazon @facebook @internet Interesting. Where can I find more info about this? Also curious to know what is #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/986854694264827904)
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Zegnat printing << https://petermolnar.net/how-to-make-a-print-css/
# Loqi ok, I added "https://petermolnar.net/how-to-make-a-print-css/" to the "See Also" section of /printing https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=47030&oldid=32492
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "«خوارزمية جوجل».. هل تجعلنا محركات البحث أكثر عنصرية؟" by مصطفى مصيلحي on 2018-04-19 https://www.sasapost.com/can-google-make-us-more-racist/
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
# jeremycherfas Hell swentel
# jeremycherfas I mean hello; need to clean this keyboard.
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@huffduffer An Indieweb Podcast- Episode 2: IndieAuth | David Shanske https://huffduffer.com/deeden/472410 (twitter.com/_/status/986914591975370752)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Hey @GauthRaj how is my favorite #DigitalLiteracy guru. I hope things are well.
#indieweb is a loose collective of technologists, bloggers, and activist committed to owning your own data away from social media silos, controlling how and when you share… http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/19/hey-gauthraj-how-is-my-favorite-digitalliteracy-guru-i-hope (twitter.com/_/status/986922987898023936)
# Loqi [superfeedr] "Hey @GauthRaj how is my favorite #DigitalLiteracy guru. I hope things are well.
#indieweb is a loose collective of technologists, bloggers, and activist committed to owning" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-19 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/19/hey-gauthraj-how-is-my-favorite-digitalliteracy-guru-i-hope
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[jgmac1106] Morning all
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petermolnar morning
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# @jgmac1106 Why do we need a platform at all? Ca't we use our own websites, #oer markup, and a variety of tools like rss or #indieweb tools while connecting everyone together without the need of any centralized repository? #oer18 (twitter.com/_/status/986935130852741123)
# Loqi [superfeedr] "Why do we need a platform at all? Ca't we use our own websites, #oer markup, and a variety of tools like rss or #indieweb" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-19 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/19/why-do-we-need-a-platform-at-all-cat-we
# Loqi [superfeedr] "Interoperability does have a legacy cost but if we put effort into our metadata and standards tools can be built like the oer commons resource" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-19 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/19/interoperability-does-have-a-legacy-cost-but-if-we-put
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@hardfire Woop! Amazing!! #indieWeb unite :D https://twitter.com/adactio/status/986935469178019840 (twitter.com/_/status/986952983186460672)
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# [jgmac1106] here is a book I am working on about open pedaggoy. Me thinks I need an indieweb chapter: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jr4taFqMeHMSPbxPLb3btjBzGkEJZ8li1zk-NkO13HM/edit?usp=sharing (its on GDocs so early drafts are more accessible to general public)
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[kevinmarks] Tired: The Island of Misfit Toys.
# [kevinmarks] Wired: The Island of Missing APIs and Features that services like Facebook, Twitter and Google once had. https://mastodon.social/@sikkdays/99886523532566844
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@jimmyhoshi An IndieWeb Podcast: Episode 1 "Leaving Facebook" - http://klou.tt/1aaldn9wet7pf (twitter.com/_/status/986975216562716672)
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# @jgmac1106 I wonder if there is an #indieweb solution to also syndication to SMS messages. I can't serve the populations I work with without thinking about also having a text message service. (twitter.com/_/status/986985672367005697)
# Loqi [superfeedr] "I wonder if there is an #indieweb solution to also syndication to SMS messages. I can't serve the populations I work with without thinking about" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-19 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/19/i-wonder-if-there-is-an-indieweb-solution-to-also
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# petermolnar oh come on
# petermolnar SMS works without data connection
# petermolnar agreed
# petermolnar nonsense
# petermolnar the last time my internation SMS failed was in 2001
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KartikPrabhu are we again talking US people/parents only!?
# petermolnar no, I've seen this in Hungary as well
# KartikPrabhu [citation] needed
# petermolnar wifi is preferred over mobile
# petermolnar sort of a limitation to places with internet connection from the parents' point of view
# petermolnar yes
# KartikPrabhu so is Apple no?
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singpolyma I find SMS a useful lowest-common-denominator so I don't have to use a whole bunch of different chat apps for my contacts. I have it all delivered over my data to whatever device I'm using, so it's the same UX for me anywhere I am
# KartikPrabhu aaronpk: yes
# [jgmac1106] My data yes is US centric. I explained it was with the population I serve which is primarily in New Haven, CT. I have to worry about data caps and no internet at home. Web messages had about a 70% rate SMS had about 97% interaction rate with the parents of children I serve.
# singpolyma [jgmac1106]: The problem is that (unless willing to risk a ToS violation not being found beacuse the service is small... something I'm sometimes ok with ;) ) The A2P rules will mean you can't do SMS "subscriptions" unless you use a short code
# singpolyma and short codes are mega expensive
# KartikPrabhu that ^ went way over my head
# KartikPrabhu what is A2P?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "A2P" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "A2P is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# KartikPrabhu what is short code?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "short code" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "short code is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# singpolyma A2P is Application to Person messaging, especially in the context of SMS.
# singpolyma short code is a proprietary extension to the SMS system supported by most carriers that allow numbers outside the ITU assigned phone number space to be used for certain kinds of SMS applications.
# KartikPrabhu hmmm those do sound complicated
# singpolyma Basically, to prevent spam/abuse, you're not allowed to send SMS that isn't "person to person" in some vague sense from a normal phone number
# [jgmac1106] Make sense we went with ReminHQ and the sign up workflow sounds similar
# singpolyma Which is why the twitter "phone number" is 21212 and not a real phone number
# [jgmac1106] I would put all the info needed into the message but include a link to the post for more info
# singpolyma tantek: oh, it may be different in USA? 21212 here anyway
# singpolyma [jgmac1106]: So, basically, it's easy and cheap to do at all. And easy and expensive to do if you follow the letter of the rules. But for a small application you may be fine doing it the cheap way
# singpolyma yeah. shortcodes are terrible
# [jgmac1106] In terms of devices for kids, yeah I just buy them a burner and nver hook it up. Just use our home wifi
# [jgmac1106] I can get a decent mobile device for my kids this way for around $50
# Loqi ok, I added "https://www.twilio.com/docs/glossary/what-a2p-sms-application-person-messaging" to a brand new "See Also" section of /A2P https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=47036&oldid=47034
# [jgmac1106] Sorry, burner is American slang for cell phone using pre paid minutes
# singpolyma if you only use wifi, what are the prepaid minutes for?
# [jgmac1106] I don't buy them. Just the device. I never hook it up. pre-paid phones are subsidized still
# [jgmac1106] Get a Moto E or somethign like 60-70 bucks
# singpolyma oh weird. so the carrier will give you a subsidy on a phone if you get a SIM card even if you just take the SIM out and never put time on it?
# singpolyma that seems like an oversight, heh
# [jgmac1106] or the store, they must mark up the minutes, cell carriers are eveil in US
# singpolyma s/in US//
# singpolyma at least there's a semblance of a competitive market in USA beacuse of MVNOs etc
# singpolyma we don't even have that here :P
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@uxlx “End users become data owners, apps become views, and interfaces become queries." 💻
💬 Rethinking the creative web: Part 3 — Towards a new read/write web https://buff.ly/2v3KA6w by @stephanierieger #webdevelopment #openweb #indieweb #decentralizedweb #progressivewebapp (twitter.com/_/status/986998613338415105)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ YI agree you are dead on. One cool thing, I am not just publishing on Twitter. I am publishing on my own site and using #indieweb powered tools to syndicate this post to Twitter.
Get the critical mass problem...but we are the masses (twitter.com/_/status/986999582981697536)
# Loqi [superfeedr] "@cathieleblanc YI agree you are dead on. One cool thing, I am not just publishing on Twitter. I am publishing on my own site and" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-19 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/19/cathieleblanc-yi-agree-you-are-dead-on-one-cool-thing
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@m_ott ↩️ @nebu Yes! I’ll be there. Looking forward to seeing you again – also at the @IndieWebCamp? 😉 (twitter.com/_/status/987001475304960002)
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@nebu ↩️ @m_ott @indiewebcamp Yep! Will be in DUS from Sat - Wed. looking forward to seeing you again. (twitter.com/_/status/987006577818456065)
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "This is what I meant when I was discussing memes and images on the #indieweb chat yesterday. We need pathways on to the web for" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-19 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/19/this-is-what-i-meant-when-i-was-discussing-memes
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# @jgmac1106 This is what I am exploring.
For academics in our spaces whose #GoOpen, #oer, #digped, #DOO, philosophies align with #indieweb principles would the tools like MicroPub and MicroSub and standards like webmentions not only make tracking the spread of… http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/19/this-is-what-i-am-exploring-for-academics-in-our (twitter.com/_/status/987024112106127361)
# Loqi [superfeedr] "This is what I am exploring.
For academics in our spaces whose #GoOpen, #oer, #digped, #DOO, philosophies align with #indieweb principles would the tools like" by Greg McVerry on 2018-04-19 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/19/this-is-what-i-am-exploring-for-academics-in-our
# Loqi [superfeedr] "👓 Privacy sentences to ponder | Marginal Revolution" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-04-17 https://boffosocko.com/2018/04/17/privacy-sentences-to-ponder-marginal-revolution/
# @ChrisAldrich "Data [...] showed that #privacyfatigue has a stronger impact on privacy behavior than privacy concerns do, although the latter is widely regarded as the dominant factor in explaining online privacy behavior."
h/t @tylercowen #IndieWeb
http://boffosocko.com/2018/04/17/privacy-sentences-to-ponder-marginal-revolution/ (twitter.com/_/status/987025590623420416)
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# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ Perhaps we might create and use a corner of the IndieWeb wiki to begin documenting the use of these types of things? We could start on the https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education page and subsection them out as they grow in size and scope? If there are… http://stream.boffosocko.com/2018/jgmac1106-perhaps-we-might-create-and-use-a-corner-of (twitter.com/_/status/987032635796058112)
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@cathieleblanc Through a chance encounter with @jgmac1106 today, I learned about the #IndieWeb community. How did I not know about this before? (twitter.com/_/status/987056958581682177)
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# [kevinmarks] In the UK there are pay as you go sims in every corner shop that you can top up with cash
# [kevinmarks] They roam Europe wide
# [kevinmarks] The will overcharge you for calling minutes in excess of the plan, but they're still an order of magnitude cheaper than US carriers
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# [jgmac1106] I love going to Europe and putting in a new SIM. Feels liberating
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# @sdepolo ↩️ @bmfynzis @SubstratumNet Wow, looks promising. Would you consider this part of the #indieweb movement? https://t.co/MpblQACaX3 (twitter.com/_/status/987089527498948608)
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# @sdepolo ↩️ Thanks for hosting #indieweb meetups and for the tea and retweet.
Oh and thanks for being such an awesome advocate for the free and open internet @mozilla. (twitter.com/_/status/987096231322107904)
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