#indieweb 2018-04-30

2018-04-30 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "An Indieweb Podcast – Episode 3: Syndication" https://david.shanske.com/2018/04/29/an-indieweb-podcast-episode-3-syndication/
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petermolnar https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/04/france-seizes-france-com-from-man-whos-had-it-since-94-so-he-sues/ - so, if I read everything correctly, if someone registers, say, "aaronpk" as trademark, I can just take aaronpk.com according to the laws?
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jjuran I don’t believe France is a trademark.
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jjuran In any case, France didn’t just come up with that name just to torment a poor domain holder. :-)
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Zegnat Actually, reading this, Frydman seems to have the trademark for “france.com” in the US? But Web.com (who probably also do business in France with French customers) chose to heed a trademark ruling made in France... This feels complicated, as is often the case with international IPs/trademarks.
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Zegnat Also, petermolnar, presumably you means “someone can just take” not “I”? ;)
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Zegnat s/means/meant/
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petermolnar of course, but giving myself as an example is easier than accusing a faceless somebody
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Zegnat Yeah. Just thought it was funny how you started with “someone” registering, and “I” hijacking the domain ;)
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petermolnar I realized... sudo Peter get coffee
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sknebel at least around here, the fact that aaron actually is named what his domain is would in general protect him from trademark claims if I understand correctly
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/990870354334703616?s=19
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@kevinmarks That's a surprisingly specific answer. @nigel_shadbolt is a trustworthy chap, but he'd be under a lot of pressure http://nzzl.us/pCMTiWH https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcBHVbZV0AECBbn.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/990870354334703616)
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petermolnar what happens if someone bruteforces a certain tor .onion address and starts a service on the same address?
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sknebel last instance of a service to announce wins for new users, clients that already have connected afaik are sticky for some time
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sknebel (I *think* that remains unchanged with v3 hidden services)
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[kevinmarks] interesting on the problems of federation: https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
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jeremycherfas Morning IndieWeb
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petermolnar https://thenextweb.com/facebook/2018/04/29/facebook-rolls-out-its-downvote-button-to-more-users/ - huh? For real?
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[jgmac1106] morning all
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GWG Morning
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Loqi rise and shine!
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jeremycherfas Hello
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klez hi all. should the h-card live on my home page or is it ok to have it in an about page?
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petermolnar klez: depends, what is your goal with the h-card?
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klez petermolnar, I don't know, actually. The wiki doesn't make it very clear, to be honest. I think it should be used to have a machine-readable way to know various things about me. Is this correct?
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petermolnar partially. H-card is used mainly for two things: to identify an entry (comment, post, etc) author, and to identify you as site owner
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petermolnar in the first case, it needs to be nested within a h-entry
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petermolnar in the second case, it needs to live in the page which you point the other entities, twitter, for example at
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petermolnar so it will identify you as a "rel-me" link
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klez then I failed :P
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petermolnar but you are correct with being machine readable about you as well
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petermolnar you just need to tie it to the context
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Zegnat There is the “representative h-card” case. Which is basically the h-card that represents you the person. And it should be on the URL that represents you. So if your bare domain is meant to represent you, thats where a lot of IndieWeb tools will expect to find the h-card.
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Zegnat I think there are brainstorms about linking to a subpage for a (subjectlively) more complete h-card, but unsure if anyone is parsing that
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klez ok, then I'll need to find a way to fit it somewhere in the homepage. I could ever remove the about page and move it to the homepage... let me think about it
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petermolnar fyi "cheap for 10 years" domain discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16957352
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Loqi [poloolop] Ask HN: Which is the cheapest TLD for 10 years?
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klez in the meanwhile thanks to both of you :) petermolnar++ Zegnat++
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klez petermolnar, reading the hn link, thanks
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petermolnar (this is unrelated to your question, klez, just happened to happen the same time)
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klez yeah, noticed it :)
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Zegnat Interesting brainstorm here klez, about linking to a full h-card from a homepage: https://indieweb.org/h-card#Brainstorming
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Zegnat So if you do come up with any ideas, please document them! Actually, also document any issues you may currently have with h-cards on that page :)
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klez Zegnat, I think I'll take a "it's not only a blog" stance and slap the content of the about page on top of the home page
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[snarfed] https://indieweb.org/h-card#Issues
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[jgmac1106] what happens when you "like" a story using OmniBear and Known (which doesn't a good like post kind): https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/04/30/nhl-draft-lottery-2018-results-philadelphia-flyers-have-the-14th
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[jgmac1106] either that or you have baked anti sportsball features into all indieweb tools
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Loqi [Greg McVerry] NHL draft lottery 2018 results: Philadelphia Flyers have the 14th and 19th picks - Broad Street Hockey var chorusInitQueue=[],volume_embed_h...
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skippy ahoy hoy, indieweb.
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Zegnat [jgmac1106], Omnibear just sends the like-of, everything else is Known
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Zegnat Example Omnibear like: https://sink.zegnat.net/10837n87B867rNNHs42S8D4gQet
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Zegnat Though, that is probably better discussed in #indieweb-dev :)
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schmarty hey hey, indieweb!
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jgmac1106 @zegnat I know, I am also running a few builds behind. Not looking for a fix, just sharing what I see with folks trying out this stuff.
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Zegnat Aaah, Sorry, interpreted the first “what happens” as a question!
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schmarty it took over a year before pronunciation issues caught up with me for this week in the indieweb audio edition, but i've had two mistakes caught in a few weeks (sorry klez!)
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schmarty klez++ for suggesting adding name pronunciation to homepages. i have often wished for this for unfamiliar names.
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Loqi klez has 1 karma
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jmac Oh yeah that's a great idea
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schmarty there seem to be only a couple of mentions of pronunciation at all on the wiki, mostly around use of lang for screen readers.
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jgmac1106 are we talking a phonetic spelling or a short audio clip?
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jmac That would be a great ad-hoc h-card property too, yeah?
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schmarty i can think of one example in the wild that absolutely helped me when i started doing TWITIWAE: http://idlewords.com/about.htm
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sknebel surely Zegnat has documented it somewhere when he added it to his h-card?
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Zegnat Didn’t have to, I think my h-card just implements what the microformats wiki says
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jmac [jgmac1106]: Was envisioning phonetic spelling, per how radio shows often say "And please tell us how to pronounce your name" when inviting written listener feedback.
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Zegnat Lets see, I have at times dropped HTML comments in to remind me what I added to my monster h-card
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Zegnat Hmm...
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jgmac1106 I typed Maciej Cegłowski into https://tophonetics.com/ Wonder how close it got to correct pronunciation
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schmarty taking h-card markup discussion to -dev.
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jmac I'm surprised at how often people will sight-read my last name as "MICK-in-tosh" even though, like, my name is pronounced exactly the same as a major computer brand, so you'd think that would be the default
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jgmac1106 MickVerry or MacVerry think its more regional dialect differences vs right or wrong, but you can call me anything but late for dinner
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jgmac1106 I am just glad I still carry the 1106 from my old Prodigy and AOL handles because jgmac and jmac would be too much
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[kevinmarks] if you want an audio sample of Maciej saying his name , I probably have one
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schmarty kevinmarks: Maciej's pronunciation audio sample linked on his about page, which i dropped in the chat above :} it was extremely helpful.
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[jgmac1106] except: http://www.idlewords.com/audio/say_my_name.mp3
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schmarty 😱 i had not checked to see if it was still there
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Zegnat I seem to recall some pinboard blog posts also being unavailable, which is a little ironic, as he has written about linkrot on there
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[kevinmarks] https://9to5mac.com/2018/04/30/cambridge-analytica-twitter/
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Jeena Oh medium doesn't offer custom domains anymore, I wonder what took them so long https://help.medium.com/hc/en-us/articles/115003053487-Custom-Domain-FAQ
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jeremycherfas Do people think it is worthwhile pointing out to contacts who post only to Medium that they could lose their work?
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Jeena I think they always also have the medium.com/username
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Jeena just the custom domain is gone
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aaronpk "just"!
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aaronpk but now you can't even use medium as a host for your own blog
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[kevinmarks] export now while you can
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Jeena I mean, come on, we all knew this day would come, I'm really just confused about why it took them that long to go this step.
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aaronpk I am honestly surprised, since custom domain hosting can be a big money maker for them, I mean look at all the large brands that have their sites powered by medium now
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Jeena Actually, even if I kind of like micro.blog, I'm not sure what would stop Manton to do the samo once the community is big enough.
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sknebel yeah, they stopped it quite a while ago, only now they've clearly said they won't in the future
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snarfed to be fair, indieweb doesn't say you have to find a single host who guarantees to always support custom domains, forever. we don't necessarily expect any host to do that. the point of having a domain is that you can (and will) migrate.
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Jeena yeah, that is true
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Jeena they could have just went bankrupt too
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Jeena would be the same outcome
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Zegnat How good is the micro.blog jekyll(-ish?) output to GitHub? Because migrating from m.b sounds as simple as pointing your domain at a GitHub repo instead of m.b and you are off the platform.
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aaronpk IIRC it uses actual jekyll with a few custom themes
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aaronpk and you can have it push to your own git repo
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Zegnat I wasn’t sure if it was full jekyll or not, good to know. Hopefully it doesn’t use custom plugins, so GitHub Pages can render it out of the box
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aaronpk i'm not 100% sure, but that is a good question for manton, and also would be good to document on /Micro.blog
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Jeena I'm so paranoid that a
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Jeena I made my collegues run Jenkins
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Jeena and there jekyl to create html which we self host
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Jeena instead of doing it with github :p
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gRegorLove_ o/ Jeena. Nice to see you around again.
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Jeena http://pelux.io/
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Jeena yeah, I didn't go to work today because tomorrow is 1st of may and today monday
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Jeena so I have some free time suddenly, which I normally don't have
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[jgmac1106] @jeena when you have the much money to burn. No way they can get returns LPs want at $5 a month. This is like the 17th Medium pivot. The WordPress to Medium plug-in still works well
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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gRegorLove o/ morning, tantek.
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[manton] @Jeena Uhm... Do you mean if the Micro.blog community is big enough that I'd stop supporting custom domains? Custom domains is the whole point of the platform! I could never do that.
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[manton] Custom domains are really important. We must not be doing a good enough job of explaining that.
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tantek [manton] I think people have been burned so many times before that there's some fear from past experience
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tantek past *before micro.blog* experience that is
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[manton] Yeah, I understand that. I hear similar feedback from people who loved App.net and felt burned by that. (Sorry if I'm being a little defensive here... But seriously, custom domains are really important to me.)
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aaronpk I wonder if reframing it from "custom domains" to just "domains" might help. Make the bring-your-own-domain case the default, and also mention that you'll provide a micro.blog subdomain to be able to try out the service for free or something
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[manton] That's a good point. For a while I called it "personal" domain names, which wasn't quite right either.
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[manton] Now that I've helped a bunch of people figure out DNS, I realize just how far we have to go for regular people to register and configure a domain name.
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tantek agreed
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tantek The more we can simplify that UX the better
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sknebel [manton]: did you add micro.blog to the 1-click integrations for dnsimple?
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Zegnat Doesn’t Hover also have some sort of 1-click integration for domains managed by them? Maybe reach out if you haven’t already, [manton]?
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[manton] Yes, Hover has a 1-click integration but not DNSimple yet.
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petermolnar re medium custom domains - what about the existing ones, will they get cancelled?
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aaronpk not yet
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[kevinmarks] WEF want data portability standards https://www.wired.com/story/data-protection-standards-need-to-be-global
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tantek WEF?
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tantek what is WEF?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WEF" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "WEF is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[kevinmarks] WEF is World Economic Forum, an organisation which invites select people to Davos every spring to discuss the state of the world.
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Loqi ok
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tantek kevinmarks, could you add their relevance to indieweb to the dfn?
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[kevinmarks] silo quits << https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/4/28/17293056/facebook-deletefacebook-social-network-monopoly?utm_campaign=theverge&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__indieweb_impression=true I’ve never managed to leave Facebook of my own accord. My year off Facebook was kind of my choice, but was really because Facebook temporarily banned me until I agreed to stop impersonating a Pokemon.
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/4/28/17293056/facebook-deletefacebook-social-network-monopoly?utm_campaign=theverge&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__indieweb_impression=true I’ve never managed to leave Facebook of my own accord. My year off Facebook was kind of my choice, but was really because Facebook temporarily banned me until I agreed to stop impersonating a Pokemon." to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=47307&oldid=46879
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tantek why all the utm_?
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[kevinmarks] I only saw the last one
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GWG aaronpk: What was the issue with the feed?
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aaronpk GWG: I don't know, I included a screenshot of what I saw in my comment
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aaronpk It just says it's not valid
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GWG aaronpk: I put https://david.shanske.com/series/indieweb-podcast/feed/ into PocketCasts, which is cross-platform, and it worked.
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GWG I wonder
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aaronpk Is that the link you linked to in your post? I didn't actually see the url I just copy pasted it
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GWG aaronpk: I think the one in there was without the /feed
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aaronpk That one works. That would explain it
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GWG aaronpk: I just updated
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