#indieweb 2018-05-01
2018-05-01 UTC
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[jgmac1106] Was hoping omnibear had a link reply field. For second I thought I could keep Tweetdeck open and be able to reply to individual tweets and watch to keep threads correct. Played with monibear a lot today. I like it
# [jgmac1106] Had to install it on Chrome as well as Tweetdeck still too heavy for Firefox
# [jgmac1106] Hey @gwg
# [jgmac1106] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FAH1ZSMF0/screenshot_2018-04-30_20.04.04.png?pub_secret=bfe5418df5&name=Screenshot 2018-04-30 20.04.04.png This would have been cool if it worked. I can send to Twitter from Known when doing indigenous need to figure it out with omnibear
# [jgmac1106] Nope just being able to handle my Monday Twitter chat schedule is the ultimate #indieweb stress test for me
# [jgmac1106] Currently I just double tab and keep Known open but I am almost there doing it in the same window. Need to be able to reply to links.
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[unoabraham] I couldn't install Known... kept giving permission errors But watching Chris' video it was cool the way it interfaced with IndieWeb and Webmentions.
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# [jgmac1106] I am still running the 9.9 build. I need to update. It is pretty easy once you get it going
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# [jgmac1106] [unoabraham] it generally works well. I have to break threads to embed a tweet or add an image. Not too bad but some chats are basic gif battles
# [jgmac1106] why the layers of meaning that can be contained and the props thrown for a perfect metaphor using something not over played. The levels of narratology built if folks can keep something visually threaded together. I love it.
# [jgmac1106] Play with your smiley faces and poop, I'll stick with gifs
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# [jgmac1106] but in terms of being able to keep up with fast pace chats using my current indieweb chats I can do alright. Was kind of today's experiment
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# [jgmac1106] I am trying to learn more and more CSS animation just so I can keep mixing poetry, websites, and gifs.
# [jgmac1106] I just put in the travel voucher. Made me go and find first one I ever did. Used Thimble actually: https://thimbleprojects.org/jgmac1106/15562/
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# [jgmac1106] Few years back I naively thought If I could figure out responsive layout I could make a set of css classes for different "quadrants" and kind of recreate what we did in Mozilla Popcorn that would allow people to remix html5 video, text, gifs, music, images etc. Spent forever trying to learn how text and image overlays worK making stuff like: https://thimbleprojects.org/jgmac1106/112688/ I think if I did use flexbox and had some div styled for di
# [jgmac1106] folks could remix a bunch of media.
# [jgmac1106] Kind of gave up on CSS animation for now. I love it as art but the amount of study it would take for something that doesn't have much professional value isn't something I can invest in currently
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schmarty hope i'm not too late to the GIF response party: https://garrulous-smile.glitch.me/
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# [John] Hello indieweb. I'm fascinated with the work you all are doing and would love to assist where possible.
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chrisaldrich wait, what?! schmarty is that really what I think it is?!
# chrisaldrich schmarty++ for /fun
# chrisaldrich Welcome [John] do let us know if we can be of any help or answer any questions.
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# [chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] I saw a note in one of the channels earlier about quick posting for Twitter conversations. Are you aware of/using the Known browser bookmarklet for replies? It's hiding on your site at http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/account/settings/tools/
# [chrisaldrich] [John] Do you have your own website?
# [John] I have a rather ugly site at evdemon.org. it's based on Known and is really an excuse for me to get more familiar with indieweb standards.
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# [jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] yeah had it in Firefox was was just giving OmniBear a try. It's a nice interface
# [chrisaldrich] I keep meaning to circle back to OmniBear... it is a solid idea to do that from the browser and I'm a browser bookmarklet junkie.
# [jgmac1106] [schmarty] and on Glitch so we can all poke around and see how it works. You have just made my day
# [chrisaldrich] [John] It's a hidden resource, but you can go back to one or more of the recent IndieWebCamps that were well video-taped and come up to speed really quickly if you need to. Known is a great place to start.
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# [chrisaldrich] What is pronunciation?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pronunciation" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "pronunciation is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [chrisaldrich] pronunciation is an online means using text or audio to indicate how to say a person's name.
# [jgmac1106] [John] like the title a play on John Udell?
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# [chrisaldrich] I saw the title and went to this: http://www.smallpieces.com/
# [John] Ah. I had a blog with this name many years ago when I was a "SOA evangelist" (ugh).
# [jgmac1106] Was just showing my students the Creative Commons search page. Saw they now include attribution. Looks like it's just displaying but still neat
# [jgmac1106] Did I misquote someone and mix up the Terminator timeline in same night?
# [jgmac1106] Yes, yes I did. Time for bed. Hate finals week so I much grading
# [jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] searched my blogs. I came across the book when Udell mentioned the quote in #connectedcourses a pop up learning community. Explains the error. Terminator unexcusable
# [jgmac1106] Though it is a vote for one canonical site. I usually spin up a blog and let it sit for our MOOCish gatherings was PITA to find correct one
# [chrisaldrich] Finals week excuses almost everything, including Terminator references.
# [chrisaldrich] I suspect that Weinberger could do worse than be confused for Udell. 😉
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# [chrisaldrich] I've been trying to whittle down 200+ sites to just one or two. Experience tells me that one is ideal if you can pull it off.
# [chrisaldrich] [John] What /itch do you hope to scratch next on your site?
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# [chrisaldrich] Evening [unoabraham].
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# [unoabraham] Welcome [John].
# [unoabraham] Hey Chris.
# [jgmac1106] Hey [unoabraham] replied to one of your posts from my site but then realized it was your Tumblr page and not your micro.blog
# [unoabraham] [John] Chris has an excellent 2 hour video that will get you started on the IndieWeb. Highly recommended.
# [unoabraham] All good. Let me check on Tumblr.
# [unoabraham] I for one have not been able to get all of Webmentions working with WP.
# [chrisaldrich] Ah, the problem with having too many syndication targets... particularly ones which don't backfeed...
# [chrisaldrich] [unoabraham] still having microformats problems with your theme?
# [unoabraham] Ha ha... don't have Microformats. Plugin breaks permalinks and theme has no inbuilt support.
# [chrisaldrich] [unoabraham] I noticed you'd mentioned me a couple times the other day, but I hadn't gotten webmentions from them. I'm not sure if it was that you hadn't sent them or if something is wrong for me on the receiving end.
# [unoabraham] That was me, but Webmentions is broken on your site and also David's. I listen to your podcast.
# [unoabraham] Unless I'm doing webmentions wrong.
# [chrisaldrich] I see a few in your page, but it looks like it's even missing the ones that WP core usually throws in by default. How did you manage that?
# [John] I have a personal goal to write more instead of just sharing posts. Time continues to be a challenge.
# [John] Aaron Parecki's recent post about Indie readers made me want to hack an existing reader to add indieweb support. The Freedom Controller project looks interesting.
# [chrisaldrich] [unoabraham] I'd guess that the webmention problem may be microformats related, but it's a bit out of my depth to easily troubleshoot.
# [unoabraham] [chrisaldrich] Micro.Blog works and also Facebook Likes and comments. Twitter doesn't work though.
# [chrisaldrich] [John] time to write is certainly an issue... I always wish I had more.
# [chrisaldrich] [unoabraham] Odd that you'd get webmentions from FB and m.b but not Twitter.
# [unoabraham] Yeah. Going to troubleshoot that this week.
# [unoabraham] And I also get Webmentions from Mastodon.
# [unoabraham] No idea how that works.
# [unoabraham] I mean my account is not even linked on Bridgy or anywhere else.
# [chrisaldrich] Do you have an example of a Webmention from Mastodon? I'd love to see it.
# [chrisaldrich] It looks like your Brid.gy account for Twitter has been paused and it isn't polling or set up for publishing: https://brid.gy/twitter/unoabraham
# [unoabraham] Ok. Enabled them. Thanks for the heads up.
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# [chrisaldrich] For pieces that are set up properly, you can nudge Brid.gy to reprocess particular posts for webmentions.
# [unoabraham] [chrisaldrich] My site has all the Mastodon syndication links https://abraham.uno/. Let me search for the Webmention.
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KartikPrabhu "time to write" is not necessarily an indieweb problem. Anything you can write on silos should be writeable on your won site
# KartikPrabhu thinking that blogs/websites are only for long form writing is a problem
# [chrisaldrich] Starting with short form content is certainly a gateway drug for moving toward longer form content.
# [chrisaldrich] Many has been the time I started writing just a short /note and ended up changing it later to be an /article.
# KartikPrabhu which is good since "notes" are the easiest to have on your own site
# KartikPrabhu [chrisaldrich]: yes that is more of a "process" problem than indieweb
# [chrisaldrich] Of course when you're busy scratching itches to make things work properly, you have less time for other writing. But look on the bright side: writing code *IS* writing.
# KartikPrabhu yup
# [unoabraham] @Kartik - That is a big problem for most folks, we're conditioned to think that blogs mean content that is an actual post, and not a status update. It took me a long time to actually post status updates on my own website without a title. But now I do that more than actual blogging.
# KartikPrabhu people don't think of tweets as a status update
# KartikPrabhu for me, having my own website is more of a deterrent against quick reaction posts
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# [unoabraham] Most folks (like me) cannot think of a topic/content to tweet about, so Twitter is full of retweets and links to other websites and shared content.
# [unoabraham] Personally the one way I can post short form content is by posting what I'm doing a.k.a. status updates. Like my today's micro-post was about listening to a podcast by Chris and David. The secret is out now.
# [unoabraham] Coming to the 2nd part, yes I agree especially seeing how Twitter and the Twitterati have mastered outrage.
# [unoabraham] @Kartik URL to your website please.
# KartikPrabhu [unoabraham]: kartikprabhu.com
# KartikPrabhu who is kartikprabhu
# [unoabraham] Thanks.
# [unoabraham] Still trying to wrap my head around the CMS.
# KartikPrabhu [unoabraham]: it is not a "CMS". It is mostly custom-built around Django using Python
# [unoabraham] Ha ha, CMS is for my understanding and classification, the rest of the terms and technical jargon goes way over my head.
# KartikPrabhu then it is a custom "CMS"
# [unoabraham] Done.
# KartikPrabhu to be fair, the UX of my system is nowhere close to being an actual "CMS"-like UX which is why I avoid the word
# [unoabraham] Personally I'm limited to WordPress, and learning a little bit of Hugo. With the IndieWeb I'm trying to learn all the content management systems, but nothing comes close to WordPress for non-coders like me.
# tomasparks I agree wordpress being an easy to use CMS
# KartikPrabhu yes. wordpress is easy, but also less flexible
# KartikPrabhu but use what works for you
# tomasparks with the right plugin you can shoot your foot :)
# KartikPrabhu also "trying to learn all the CMSs" is not the right approach
# KartikPrabhu tomasparks: yes, I really like my foot though; both of them ;)
# tomasparks i've gone old-school with jekyll:)
# KartikPrabhu to be fair, wordpress is a good starting point since it is more "out-of-the-box"
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# [unoabraham] If it wasn't for the IndieWeb I wouldn't be trying to learn anything. Perfectly happy with WordPress.
# [unoabraham] However, getting to know the IndieWeb has opened the doors to so many possibilities. The web can be so much more interactive than just comments and comment spam.
# KartikPrabhu [unoabraham]: yes! that definitely is the right pov
# tomasparks i second that
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# [unoabraham] I think Webmentions for Tumblr need more work, I cannot see the comment on my Tumblr. I'm going to explore that a bit to see if I need to enable comments, haven't used Tumblr in the past.
# [unoabraham] However, I do see the comment on your website.
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petermolnar I need a self-hosted version of this: https://seashells.io/
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jeremycherfas G'day IndieWeb
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# [unoabraham] Anyone using Known here?
# [unoabraham] First off is how to reply to a post on Facebook (if that is possible), seeing there is no easy way to grab a Facebook post URL.
# [unoabraham] [jgmac1106] I'd love to chat up with you about best practices, what's working, what's not, etc.
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# jeremycherfas There is a #knownchat channel, if you prefer.
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# [jgmac1106] hey @swentel I love all the native post options you added to Indigenous. Awesome. Though I did notice if I select a post-kind then hit back button to switch the post gets published. Will see if I can reproduce problem before filing issue (if it hasn't been already)
# [jgmac1106] The top bar in Android (at bottom of Pixel 2)
# [jgmac1106] Let me do it again and see if it happenz
# [jgmac1106] Nevermind it's just the repost which is instant. Every other option allowed navigation back before posting. That makes sense
# [jgmac1106] Also I know it's still Alpha but you need to let us buy the app or at least kick into a Patreon or GoFundme for the project
# snarfed [jgmac1106] swentel https://opencollective.com/indieweb ! on both sides
# [jgmac1106] Not sure what your thoughts are for sustainability long term but I could easily see a freemium plug in upcharge model working
# [jgmac1106] Yes, and has a one time donation! The culling of subscription services critical in my life. Used to complain about expensive software. Now I miss those days
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swentel and can donators choose to what their money goes ? if that would work, that would /probably/ make it easier to get people in from the drupal side of things
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# Loqi Here are some tools that are helpful for building and debugging an IndieWeb site https://indieweb.org/tools
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Zegnat You can try https://gimme-a-token.5eb.nl/ and see if you can manually get the token?
# [jgmac1106] OmniBear working fine for me but I was already authenticated
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# [jgmac1106] @swentel I do need to figure out how to POSSE to twitter using Known through OmniBear or Indigenous or choose a new platform for my microblogging. I was only half kidding when I hoped switching a validation from "false" to "true" so sending Twitter is always default worked. I have learned a lot, and broken much more playing with true and false
# [jgmac1106] @swentel In Known I have to hit a button to send to Twitter. I have two, not sure why. I think thats because I used to pay and then when Bridgy and other idno plugins were free I got both.
# [jgmac1106] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FAGH970BX/screen_shot_2018-05-01_at_11.11.27_am.png?pub_secret=30f516484d&name=Screen Shot 2018-05-01 at 11.11.27 AM.png
# jgmac1106_ yep will move the channel. I like the soft push to channels but sometimes conversations going to flow and its hard to predict where they end up. Then sometimes you end up with the same thread across two channels
# jgmac1106_ @zegnat you are right I had to hit refresh syndications and My Twitter button came back in Indigenous. Thought I lost it in an update
# [jgmac1106] and I discover the endpoint features in OmniBear. Thx for help @zegnat
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# [jgmac1106] @jeena it just works, whether in Slack or IRC or the chatroom everything syndicates everywhere. Not sure how sausage is made
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# jgmac1106_ I am both, here on IRC
# [jgmac1106] and here on Slack
# jgmac1106_ and pretty much all over the web
# jgmac1106_ !tell @jeena I said hello when you see him
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# jgmac1106_ I don’t know how either clearly
# jgmac1106_ everyone using !tell is probably more IRC
# [jgmac1106] just did
# jgmac1106_ !tell [Jeena] we can move to meta if he wants
# [jgmac1106] and that's how it's done. Thx @zegnat
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Jeena I think I found some answers to questions which confused me for so long about Micro.blog http://help.micro.blog/2018/replies-and-mentions/ it seems to be a weird mix of indieweb and homegrown parts when it comes to replies
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# snarfed guess i can revert this now: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/commit/97f60a96
# Loqi Apps are less functional versions of web sites that are usually restricted to one or more proprietary platforms https://indieweb.org/app
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# [Thom_M] From what I could tell, you can't register any of them yet. I tried google domains and namecheap and neither would actually let your register anything, they just told you whether they were available or not.
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# [jgmac1106] another issue I have is discounting of domains and then huge price spikes. I had femhack.tech for our feminist pedagogy hackathon series. Got it for nothing from Hover the first year and then it spiked to $75
# [jgmac1106] I personally supported the project and just had to let the domain go
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# [jgmac1106] Hover could be more transparent. They don't say its a one year discount: https://www.hover.com/tld/buy-club-domain
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aaronpk it says it right there https://i.imgur.com/I9tSo6V.png
# [jgmac1106] you have to know renewals mean next year, not sure everyone does, but if you are buying a specialised TLD you should
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# [jgmac1106] totally forgot I have fedwiki.me I liked fedwiki in concept but it was just too hard for others to grasp
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ben_thatmustbeme i have not been
# ben_thatmustbeme TLDR?
# ben_thatmustbeme just tuned in
# ben_thatmustbeme you can pick facebook or instagram ... the network of your choice
# ben_thatmustbeme heh
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# ben_thatmustbeme facebook adding a dating app
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# [jgmac1106] going from stalking exes and crushes to trying to make new exes and crushes
# ben_thatmustbeme hah
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tantek interesting post from colinwalker: https://colinwalker.blog/luxury-and-privilege/
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# [Thom_M] I deleted all of my social media yesterday. I guess I'll find out whether it's social suicide or not.
# tantek !tell [colinwalker] good post with plenty of food for thought https://colinwalker.blog/luxury-and-privilege/ found through superfeedr seeing your "indieweb" mention. P.S. Add yourself to indieweb.org/irc-people so you show up nicer (and linked to your site) in the chat logs!
# tantek [Thom_M]: wow, *all*? amazing, can you add yourself to the top of https://indieweb.org/silo-quits#Silo_quitters_2018 ?
# [Thom_M] [tantek] Yep. All of it. Twitter, LinkedIn, Reddit, Facebook, Instagram. Nuked it all from orbit. It was exhilarating.
# ben_thatmustbeme wow
# tantek first document your success on /silo-quits, then if you have time it would be great to add specifics to /Twitter /LinkedIn /Reddit /Facebook /Instagram summarizing your experience with each ("How to delete") maybe
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# [Thom_M] I'll do that. I'm in the process of getting my personal website up and running and I was going to document the when, where, whys and hows.
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[colinwalker] [tantek] Thanks. I’ll add myself.
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# [colinwalker] [Thom_M] Well, it was the only way to be sure 😉
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# [Thom_M] [colinwalker] Exactly. 😉
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# [ryan339] Just saw this, this is nice: https://blog.github.com/2018-05-01-github-pages-custom-domains-https/
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[kevinmarks] That is good
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# snarfed interesting patterns in hosting costs for bridgy, granary, indie map, etc over time: https://snarfed.org/costs.png
# snarfed (also preemptively, https://brid.gy/about#cost )
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bear not sure if this is known or not - https://blog.github.com/2018-05-01-github-pages-custom-domains-https/
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# tantek this article touches on several indieweb related things (reading, news, read-it-later) but I can't quite figure out where to put it / cite / see also it: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/apr/06/how-to-handle-headline-anxiety-take-time-reading-news-oliver-burkeman
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# tantek KartikPrabhu: this one is for you (and all the discussion we have had about nav prev/next arrows being <-- --> :) https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/apr/13/time-move-meeting-forward-oliver-burkeman
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# KartikPrabhu yeah that was my post. But I think we had a discussion in IRC but not sure how to find it
# KartikPrabhu oh, I was wondering if I did that. past me was clever :P
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# tantek KartikPrabhu: for your review and additional contributions https://indieweb.org/navigation#Temporal_Direction
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# [Thom_M] People actually do older to the right? THat
# [Thom_M] ...is just plain wrong.
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# KartikPrabhu I give left future examples too
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