#indieweb 2018-06-10

2018-06-10 UTC
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@GodKingNobody #Kickstarter http://godkingnobody.blogspot.com #crowdfunding #CrowdfundingCampaign #CrowdFundingExposure #crowdfundingforeveryone #indiemusic #indie #indiegames #indiedev #indieauthor #indieauthors #indieweb #IndieFeatureFriday #indiegogo Open invite2 talk about ur projects on my blog (twitter.com/_/status/1005619080374693888)
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@cleverdevil ↩️ Also I shall be in Portland with the entire fam later this month for IndieWeb Summit! You should join, or we should hang out… or both! https://indieweb.org/2018 (twitter.com/_/status/1005652746295435264)
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jeremych- Good morning IndieWeb
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@sukiletxe ↩️ #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/sukiletxe/status/1005542210115395584 (twitter.com/_/status/1005729263759384576)
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sukil Hi, here's a concern I have: in most sites, if a site goes down, I understand that comments will be preserved by the Internet Archive, as they're part of the html of the site. Webmentions, however, embed some javascript, which results in comments being non-archivable. Is this correct?
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KartikPrabhu sukil: webmentions do not use javascript
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sukil KartikPrabhu: Oh, so iff you self-host you can save them in a DB and render them like normal comments?
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KartikPrabhu yes
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sknebel if you use a service like webmention.io (e.g. on a static site), you can also have something copy them from there and store them with your site, and build them into HTML
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sknebel what is Morris?
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Loqi Morris is a self-hosted PHP service for storing Webmentions from webmention.io in a JSON format that static sites can use to render them without querying webmention.io on each build https://indieweb.org/Morris
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sknebel (this runs always, but you also can do it only when you are rebuilding your site anyways, and then at least all mentions up to that point are stored by you)
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sukil sknebel: sweet. (this is not linked-to in the wiki, in Static Site). Thanks
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sukil This (for now at least) is hypothetical. I don't have the technical skills to do it now, but I've been thinking about it since yesterday
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sukil And thought about bringing it up here in case you had a solution
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sukil And yes, I do have a static site, that's why I was concerned about JS
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sknebel I saw, you're using Pelican, right?
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sukil huh? no.
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sknebel oh, then I looked at someone elses page
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sukil I switched to Nikola
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sknebel so there's certainly a few ways of getting webmentions on a static site, but I don't think anyone around here has a ready-made example for Nikola
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sknebel you could start using webmention.io and use the javascript-loading for now, and hopefully upgrade to something with better integration later
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jeremycherfas !tell dgold When I travel alone I am happy to take a room in someone's house via airbnb and give them a bit of cash. I don't do whole dwellings myself.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@d3z Hoping that #nidevconf18 will give me the impetus to start making stuff. IndieWeb and Rust might be a good combination to start with. (twitter.com/_/status/1005779018665295873)
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@GodKingNobody http://godkingnobody.blogspot.com #crowdfunding #CrowdfundingCampaign #CrowdFundingExposure #crowdfundingforeveryone #indiemusic #indie #indiegames #indiedev #indieauthor #indieauthors #indieweb #IndieFeatureFriday #indiegogo #Kickstarter Open invite 2 talk about ur projects on my blog (twitter.com/_/status/1005807184721170432)
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@simonmumbles ↩️ In steps the open web, the original platform; its spirit lives on via initiatives such as the IndieWeb. Alternative platforms have risen, smaller and often built around philosophies opposed to the big platforms. They are often run by small groups of people, as few as 2 or 3. (twitter.com/_/status/1005815488981630978)
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@xavierroy Great idea... Currently I run a PESOS approach involving Goodreads and Zapier that is triggered whenever I mark a book as currently reading. Once the Micropub issues on my site are resolved, I think this ... #Indieweb Originally Published at https://xavierroy.com/2018/06/10/indiebookclub-biz/ (twitter.com/_/status/1005821335547703296)
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sketchess good morning Indieweb
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Zegnat Good morning sketchess
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sketchess greetings Zegnat
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sketchess what happend to the HWC?
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jeremycherfas Hello sketchess
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sketchess summer's brake?
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sketchess oh hello Jeremy
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jeremycherfas How have things been going with the work on your site?
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Zegnat sketchess, what do you mean happened to the HWC? We had a virtual one 2 (or 3?) weeks ago
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jeremycherfas And I hope we will have one this week.
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sketchess really?
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sketchess than I guess, I need help
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jeremycherfas What do you mean?
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sketchess where you asking me Jeremy? and....
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sketchess before I mean
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sketchess workrelated
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jeremycherfas Why you think you need help?
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sketchess ok, than help related first
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sketchess I am lost. It only took me some months to forget what was where in the IndiWiki.
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sketchess Did it change?
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jeremycherfas Oh that. I am permanently lost in the wiki. Even the old hands often cannot find something that they know is there.
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jeremycherfas I think the login mechanism may have changed.
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sketchess the rest is like december 2017?
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jeremycherfas No there have been lots of changes.
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sketchess navigation too?
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jeremycherfas Oh no; only content.
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sknebel oh hey, welcome back sketchess!
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sketchess hello sknebel
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sketchess Is see. I really have everything forgotten.
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jeremycherfas You'll pick it up again.
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sketchess That is bad news. I have to start all over again discovering.
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sketchess I remember how long it took me last time.
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sketchess No wonder I am guessing I might have adhd/add.
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sketchess Please. Would somebody beeing so kind and showing me the way to the HWC.
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jeremycherfas What is vHWC
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club is a bi-weekly meetup of people passionate about or interested in creating, improving, building, designing their own website, in the same structure as the classic Homebrew Computer Club meetings https://indieweb.org/vHWC
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jeremycherfas That's the overall summary page with all dates.
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sketchess Thank you a lot. Right commands are possible.
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jeremycherfas This is the most recent vHWC that I know about https://indieweb.org/events/2018-05-23-homebrew-website-club
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jeremycherfas What is next-hwc
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Loqi Join us for an evening of IndieWeb personal site demos and discussions! Any questions? Ask in the chatroom! More… https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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jeremycherfas I hope we will get on track with vHWC on 13 June. There were also some other vHWCs on Eastern US time.
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sketchess Are there more than one vHWC channel or am I misunderstanding something?
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jeremycherfas vHWC takes place at different local times and sometimes on different days. I was not able to take part in any of the ones in EDT timezone.
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jeremycherfas Here is Yet Another Page /Virtual_HWC
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sketchess oh I was not looking at times, more at places...... so I see one in Europe and one in North America
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jeremycherfas At the moment, that is about right. But because they are virtual, we have had people located in North America joining the vHWC on CEST. I don't know whether anyone from Europe has attended vHWC on EDT.
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sketchess Please do not through to many pages at me, it gets overwhelming.
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jeremycherfas Me too! I will stop now.
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sketchess Thank you for your help.
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jeremycherfas Sure. And I hope to hear you on Wednesday.
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sketchess I have semester breake. Chances are great.
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sketchess Where do I have to go?
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sketchess Is ist back to appear.in/HWC or something like that?
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sketchess -s
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jeremycherfas No. We use a server called Mumble. Details here https://indieweb.org/Mumble It takes a little bit of setting up, and voice quality is very good.
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sketchess Aha. That looks like I will have to do research.
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sketchess The Wiki is not so helpful in my case.
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jeremycherfas Well, I hope you can manage to join us.
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sketchess We will see, if I can figure it out. Remember how much trouble the browser client was?
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jeremycherfas Yeah, but this will be easier, I hope.
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sketchess I better think not about that. I got the audio finally running.
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sketchess So this time I have to install a client, right?
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jeremycherfas If you can, that is best. It takes less than five minutes, honest. There is a web client, but I have never tried it.
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@sl007 ↩️ @EFF and see also https://indieweb.org/Events ;) (twitter.com/_/status/1005845376618958854)
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sketchess Aaah. Now I see.
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sketchess That is soooo odd sometimes.
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Zegnat Yes, sknebel is also hosting a webclient that should let the browser call in directly. But we have had mixed results there with testing. If you can, install a Mumble client. Its available for almost any platform, including mobile, and the sound quality is good.
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Zegnat Sorry, I was a little busy writing another thing so not very active in the HWC discussion over here :)
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, I’d love to do a vHWC again on Wednesday! Feel free to propose some times. For the last one we moved to BST and had petermolnar and ancarda join.
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sketchess Don't worry about it Zegnat.
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jeremycherfas 17:30 BST?
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jeremycherfas Or 18:30 BST?
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ancarda 6:30 PM would be better for me, if possible
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Zegnat My summer break has started, you people figure out when you all want me to be on Mumble and let me know :P
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jeremycherfas I can probably manage that; might have to leave after an hour to eat.
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sketchess Well I have installed a client for windows. And guess what, it was screaming into my ears. Hope it will do better with the Yeti. And hope my Laptop will hold itself together till repair
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Zegnat Screaming?
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sketchess jup
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Zegnat We did 17:30 BST, I think. 18:30 CEST... If I got my time zones right.
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Zegnat really wants to universally make time zones disappear
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jeremycherfas There is no way you can make time zones disappear. I would definitely prefer 18:30 CEST
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sketchess I am fine, if earlier, I guess. Times are currently not a problem. Technic always is.
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Zegnat ancarda, guessing your 6:30 PM was meant as 18:30 BST?
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ancarda Yeah
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ancarda I'd be fine to move to UTC if it makes it easier to schedule
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ancarda Or is vHWC always scheduled in Central Europe time (CEST when in DST)?
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sketchess Hmmm..... what do I have to do, to find you?
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Zegnat The main time I put on the wiki is usually on CEST. Because that is how it got started. But as people from all over drop in, it is more about finding a timeslot that fits the most people
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Zegnat sketchess, you connect Mumble to the voice.sknebel.net server and there should be just the one lobby to talk in. But I guess nobody is there right now
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sketchess I am not sure if I installed the right option.
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sketchess Does your browser opens up too?
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Zegnat My browser? No
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sketchess Aha. So I did something wrong than.
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ancarda Zegnat and sketchess: I just joined the Mumble server if you want to test
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sketchess I just closed it.
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sketchess wait
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sketchess oh that is odd
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sketchess I do not get it. How could have opend a small client up and a browser window? Why?
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sketchess label? port?
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ancarda I imagine 64738 as the URL should be mumble://voice.sknebel.net:64738
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sketchess What ever I did, I do not understand. It does not opens up like the first try. It refuses to connect without a label.
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ancarda sknebel: Can you let us know how to connect to the Mumble Web Interface?
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sketchess Somehow the port jumped to a 400 like number and boom browser.
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ancarda sketchess: Would it be possible for you to install a native Mumble client for your computer / phone?
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sketchess What do you mean by native?
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sketchess I got a windows version from the official website.
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ancarda For example, I use https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mumble/id443472808
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ancarda What are you using to try to connect? Have you read everything here: https://indieweb.org/Mumble ?
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ancarda Oh, interesting, there's actually a link in the wiki article for the web interface that will automatically work (just needs a username to be specified)
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sketchess And where did you see that?
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sketchess Do you mean the johni demo? Well that would be a 443 Port.
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ancarda https://voice.sknebel.net/?address=voice.sknebel.net&port=443/mumble&password=indie
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sketchess aha.... snkebel got one too..... poorly named for my brain
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sketchess found it
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ancarda sketchess: I can barely hear you :(
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sketchess me too
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ancarda I'm wondering if it's a bandwidth issue, as I've previously been on vHWCs without people saying they can't hear me
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ancarda brb, let me try from 4G
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sketchess an external microphone might just better
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sketchess that ia better
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sketchess is
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sketchess sometimes it is the browser too
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ancarda You still sound a little bad. Would you be able to try connecting from a client, something listed on https://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/Main_Page ?
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sketchess I had to combine my yeti and opera for appear.in
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ancarda Oh you have a Yeti mic too, nice!
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sketchess do you just using one?
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sketchess which browser do you have running?
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ancarda I would call in from my laptop using my Yeti but the meetups aren't late enough so I'm never home. That's why I use my phone instead - I'm usually on the train when the vHWC is on
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ancarda I can use it now but I suspect my mic isn't the issue as switching to 4G improved the quality a lot (I have a really crappy Wi-Fi network)
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sketchess and which browser?
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ancarda I don't use a browser, I use Mumble for iOS
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ancarda (The official client)
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sketchess so no firefox or something like that
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ancarda No. I have used Firefox Nightly for appear.in in the past though. That worked just fine
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sketchess firefox was bad for me
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ancarda I'm wondering if location may be an issue. AFAIK voice.sknebel.net is somewhere in Europe. Whereabouts are you?
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ancarda Ok, so the wiki page for Mumble does list "the web client has some audio quality issues" as a known issue. Would you be able to download a native (so not web) client for Mumble?
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sketchess I tried. I am not sure if I did.
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ancarda sketchess: The chat on Mumble seems to work (I see your messages)
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sketchess fine
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sketchess Well I see myself biting into my table soon. The rest won't be that easy to figure out.
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sketchess ah, miss you question. Berlin. sknebel studies here too.
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sketchess lets have a look if my yeti will do the trick
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sketchess ah, your gone.
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@GodKingHeaveny Retweeted NobodyLoser (@GodKingNobody): http://godkingnobody.blogspot.com #crowdfunding #CrowdfundingCampaign #CrowdFundingExposure #crowdfundingforeveryone #indiemusic #indie #indiegames #indiedev #indieauthor #indieauthors #indieweb #IndieFeatureFriday... http://godkingnobody.blogspot.com (twitter.com/_/status/1005862659907080199)
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@celeste_reign Say goodbye to DISQUS and comment SPAM: https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1005866204056211457)
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sketchess I have trouble with my keyboard ancarda
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@GodKingHeaveny http://godkingnobody.blogspot.com #crowdfunding #CrowdfundingCampaign #CrowdFundingExposure #crowdfundingforeveryone #indiemusic #indie #indiegames #indiedev #indieauthor #indieauthors #indieweb #IndieFeatureFriday #indiegogo #Kickstarter Open invite 2 talk about ur projects on my blog (twitter.com/_/status/1005884909892833283)
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sknebel ancarda: seems you found the webinterface link? that should directly work
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ancarda Yeah it worked although the audio quality was really quite bad
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ancarda It was much better once we switched to native clients
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@swentel Pushed a new release for the #Indigenous app for Android. Now supports multiple accounts! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1005901686425210882)
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sknebel ancarda: good. yes, the web client is ... interesting. if I understand it correctly, someone ripped out the voice processing parts from mumble and compiled them with emscripten, and it then pushes those over websockets...
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sknebel but it's better than nothing, so I kept it running
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sknebel probably should do a screenshot guide to configuring mumble, people keep getting stuck somewhere
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Zegnat Didn’t jgmac1106 say he might have time to make a proper setup guide?
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@GodKingNobody http://godkingnobody.blogspot.com #crowdfunding #CrowdfundingCampaign #CrowdFundingExposure #crowdfundingforeveryone #indiemusic #indie #indiegames #indiedev #indieauthor #indieauthors #indieweb #IndieFeatureFriday #indiegogo #Kickstarter Open invite 2 talk about ur projects on my blog (twitter.com/_/status/1005910161830088707)
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@GodKingHeaveny http://godkingnobody.blogspot.com #crowdfunding #CrowdfundingCampaign #CrowdFundingExposure #crowdfundingforeveryone #indiemusic #indie #indiegames #indiedev #indieauthor #indieauthors #indieweb #IndieFeatureFriday #indiegogo #Kickstarter Open invite 2 talk... http://godkingnobody.blogspot.com (twitter.com/_/status/1005910196189724672)
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sknebel !snooze http://godkingnobody.blogspot.com
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Loqi Okay, I snoozed "http://godkingnobody.blogspot.com" from all IndieWeb Twitter searches for 24 hours
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GWG Can we suppress anything with a certain number of hashtags?
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aaronpk heh
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ancarda sknebel: The part that was confusing seemed to be “label”. Perhaps a description that it’s a totally arbitrary value may be useful
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@royscholten This is my version of the steps you need to take to make your site part of the indie web community. Swentel helped me getting it all setup on this here Drupal site using his indieweb module. It’s all a bit complicated still, so this is mostly me trying to retroactively… (twitter.com/_/status/1005932197528985602)
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@royscholten First steps to indiewebify your Drupal site: http://www.yoroy.com/2018/implementing-indieweb-your-personal-drupal-site-part-1 Roy | 11-06-2018 2018-06-11T00:11:18+02:00 (/node/418) (twitter.com/_/status/1005935662351208449)
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@royscholten First steps to indiewebify your Drupal site: http://www.yoroy.com/2018/implementing-indieweb-your-personal-drupal-site-part-1 (twitter.com/_/status/1005937747461378050)
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yoroy heh, Loqi is fast :)
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