Zegnatjgmac1106, yeah, I didn’t recall whether you actually said you’d look into making some guides (to also possibly help students). Was just something itching at the back of my mind :) No worries
ZegnatI think both [Vanessa] and I ended up setting push-to-talk to a mouse button. Something I would totally recommend if you have a gaming mouse with a button to spare
jgmac1106[zegnat] you google skills were better than mine, I found a similar bibtex resource but wanted us working on same, meant to write something up how starnge it is that is took some time to find good documentation….and whomever owns bibtext.org and hasn’t updated sicne 2006 I shake my fist at you
ancardaI'd love to hear more as I use Apple Health for a lot of stuff, but it's not easily exportable, and I'd prefer if I could somehow collect data to my server (e.g. Bluetooth scale that's programmable / has some kind of API)
Zegnatancarda: there wasn’t anything to write. I was only tracking weight there. The FitBit devices I had ended up not working for me, so I tracked maybe 1.5 days of activity that wasn’t worth keeping around.
Zegnatjgmac1106, from what I have been able to find, BibTeX is very loosely defined. The data structure is defined, a few entry types have been defined (though I am not even sure if that might only be through convention rather than standard), and then I couldn’t find any more.
Zegnatancarda, definitely don’t switch to FitBit for data exportability. Their default data export can only do up to 31 days of aggregate data, if I saw that right.
jgmac1106yeah, most use EndNote, Zotero, or Mendeley but that takes third party softward. BibText doesn’t and it was only option that gave you data from Google Scholar and browser plug-ins
Zegnatjgmac1106, I was down the rabbit hole on Wikipedia the other day, looking at other reference storage formats, and it doesn’t look like any of them do any processing on author names. Its basically always used verbatim. So if you put garbage in, you get garbage out.
jgmac1106they are probably cross referenceing other publications and reading the citation a bunch of times and then spitting back the most correct version
jgmac1106I think we just allow people to edit the names, the only other possibility would be an intermediary UI step. Select citation style (APA), citation type (Chapter in Book) and we spit out a text field for each BibTex field and say “Make Any Necessary Changes Then hit Build Citation”
ZegnatYes. I think at that point you just have to be careful not to turn it into a fullscale citation manager. There is probably better software for that.
jeremycherfasThe whole citation format thing is a complete mess. I use Bookends, which does a brilliant job of importing from all sorts of formats, and allows you to define your own templates. In the end, though, there is not canonical version of an author's name, for example. Some journals use full names. Some only initials. Some first name and any middle initials. Etc etc.
jeremycherfasDedicated software also does a much better job of formatting output exactly as you want it either idiosyncratic or for specific publishers.
ZegnatThe h-cite, as I currently make them, does not actually contain all the information from the BibTeX, because I am not inventing any new h-cite properties
jeremycherfashttp://researchblogging.org Quite a clever service for people who write (blog) about research. It creates citations that it can then scan for impact etc.
ZegnatHalf the time I am just guessing when it comes to schema.org properties. Some seem way to broad, others way to specific, and at the end of the day I don’t know if anyone is even parsing them
ZegnatI keep being thrown off by how splintered the landscape on this seems to be. Find something called “COinS”. Several websites publish it, several clients consume it, awesome! Where is the spec? Uuuh, somewhere on archive.org, good luck.
jgmac1106thx for all the histroy all, yeah I lik mf2 over schema.org because it is so comprehensive the complexity made it impossible. I am hoping what [zegnat] and I are trying to do does marry the correct h-cite format with correctish APA/MLA citations. But [jeremycherfas] is rigth. Even if a journal uses APA fro submission thye may publish in their own style on paper
Zegnatjgmac1106, I feel like we should schedule a call and see what the end-goal should be. I am looking for interesting experiments and projects to buff my portfolio this summer anyway, and can totally throw some days of fulltime programming at it if there is a plan :)
ZegnatAs far as I am concerned, start with the plain HTML. You can always add the classes for h-cite later. Also note that, from skimming the citation microformats pages, h-cite was very much built on “how to cite online resources” and not much else (which explains the lack of page number properties and the like).
jgmac1106[zegnat] sound slike a plan, and we can shape the project to help build your portfolio. Originally I just wanted an easy way to write citations for myself but now as I get close on my course templates, and I am seeing how an mf2 course generator could would
jeremycherfasI'd be willing to sit in on a call if the timing suits. I think there are two things to separate, though. One is the kind of really fine-grained markup that allows different publishers to format citations differently. Another is a smaller set of markup that allows for good presentation in HTML AND the ability to extrract enough data to populate something like a databse.
jeremycherfasMost academics, though, will probably maintain some other kind of dedicated tool, and most of them can programatically find and extract publisher data given something to search for, be that DOI, Title, Authors etc etc.
jgmac1106Agree but also thinking long term..if we get an influx of academics using IndieWeb tools with their students in a #DoOO envrionment we can have an indie layer for writign and researching on top
jgmac1106My OG goal was an mf2 course and syllabus tempalte, then when writing h-cite APA I thought we could build something. A PHP citation tool could be a building block used in many different tools
jeremycherfasNot that publisher's data should be considered reliable either. I have just seen "University of Pennsylvania, Philidelphia, PA 19104" in a highly-regarded journal.
jgmac1106Sketchess, I just like checking out where people live, once you get your connectivity issues sorted i can check out your blog, Also curious about nicknames, is it a sketch+ess, in a gendered way to say you are a top notch design person the community needs or is sket+chess, as a chess player which the world always needs more of, or probably most likely C none of the above
jgmac1106kijnd of teacher related, I onboard folks through WordPress, when they hop on some vHWC they can get too complicated too quickly and beginners bale
jgmac1106so all of my students eith have wordpress.com or wordpress.org blogs (depending on level) plus most of #eduTwitter is wordpress.org just trying to move them first to IndiewWeb values and then let them see how the plugins and tools empower our values
jgmac1106i meant empowere principles. I unoficially call the three statements on indieweb.org as values, and then point to principles as ways to operationalize those values
jgmac1106awesome [sketchess] been worklng with Jess Klien iamjessklein on Twittwr about brainstorming how we get more designers and and Amy Burvall 9@amyburvall on Twitter) about geeting artists into open source
jgmac1106I am trying (and getting there slowly) to leearn CSS Grid, I keep seeing all these cool things in my head I could never make on a machine but the more and more I learn about Grid the more attainable my brain farts might become
jgmac1106I keep toying with idea I shoul djust have a static html5 homepage and move blogging to a subdomain, possibly off of WordPress…but then I run itno not using the tool I tell all my students to use…and I get stuck back with WordPress
[mrkrndvs][jgmac1106] I have started some initial testing. However I do not usually use Bridgy Publish. Do you know why or how I change the url associated with posts sent out. Currently it is attaching my GitHub profile which is kind of annoying.
jgmac1106not sure anyone is nerotypical but I haven’t been tested for anything, probably would fail all adhd assessments but wouldn’t show up on any Autism spectrums.
jgmac1106[zegnat] even after uninstall it remebered my audio set up and the server info, need to figure out how to delete for now going to skip the audio set uo part of tutorial