#indieweb 2018-06-30

2018-06-30 UTC
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jalcine gRegorLove: Will do
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Loqi jalcine: chrisaldrich left you a message 1 day, 7 hours ago: Did you mean to have the word "not" in your first paragraph in relation to updating your website or did autocorrect change it from "absolutely"? ;)
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jalcine checks
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jalcine LOL I meant "to not only"
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jalcine !tell chrisaldrich thanks for catching that, will update
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@jgmac1106 HTML is Handwriting and Composition https://hyp.is/tiMXZHwNEeivfC_XsdCmOg/ies.ed.gov/funding/pdf/2019_84305A.pdf readingthe RFP for the #IndieWeb grant (twitter.com/_/status/1012887660564811779)
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[chrisaldrich] jalcine, most welcome.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: jalcine left you a message 2 hours, 46 minutes ago: thanks for catching that, will update
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[tantek] jalcine++ great post
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Loqi jalcine has 3 karma in this channel (5 overall)
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@jackyalcine I love that I can see the IndieWeb likes come in on this post https://jacky.wtf/weblog/indieweb-summit-2018/ from both silos (like Twitter) and open platforms (IndieWeb sites) like a regular comment on the page. (twitter.com/_/status/1012912821657653253)
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[eddie] Well, I didn’t get the final couple of features done that I wanted to for Indigenous, but I didn’t change the pre-order date either, so for better or worse... it’s live! 😱
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[eddie] Nothing like an automated release timer to force you into the open sea! Haha. Now it’s just about iteration and improvement
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@ChrisAldrich @jamey_sharp I think there's some interesting architectures and ideas surrounding @anvcscalar and @omeka that could be interesting for your web comics ideas. https://indieweb.org/2018/serials (twitter.com/_/status/1012974188670455808)
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@t Finished my @IndieWebSummit coding project! Completed plain text readable reply-contexts^1 (instead of just URLs) for all responses; in particular got these working: * in-stream^2 for new GitHub issues * on permalinks for all replies & reacji^3 ... http://tantek.com/t4vC1 (twitter.com/_/status/1012988305850454017)
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jgmac1106 morning indieweb, hope to wrap up my “I went to my first summit” post before baseball, and then it is off to beach where I will stay dark (except for online teaching)
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@jgmac1106 @amriad @ginatripani @jeffjarvis looking for a three day space donation to run an #IndieWebCamp in NYC Sept Sept 14-16 or Sept 27-29th Would need space for around 30 and three rooms. Any ideas of whom I could ask? #IndieWeb? Also on: https://is.gd/Q0OFj7 (twitter.com/_/status/1013027304216375296)
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kicks man the microformats-ruby lib is nice
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kicks saved me a ton of work
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@jgmac1106 @chrislarry33 Looking for a space donation for an #IndieWebCamp in NYC Sept 14-16 or Sept 27th-29th have any nonprofit connections? 3 rooms 20-30 people est. Also on: https://is.gd/DeYkUL (twitter.com/_/status/1013062878293880832)
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@jgmac1106 @CathieLeBlanc planning an #IndieWebCamp in NYC late September. If I found travel assistance funds ( or check your uni) want to help co-organize? Going to have a #DoOO strand. Also on: https://is.gd/ShTLAH (twitter.com/_/status/1013064028015427584)
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kicks my new project https://indieweb.xyz/howto
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Zegnat So that’s the reddit-like-indienews?
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Zegnat Looks interesting
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Zegnat I like the cross-posting thing, to combat spam!
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kicks hey thanks for checking it out
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kicks and fielding questions
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Zegnat kicks, under “how do I post a link to something that doesn’t use webmentions” you mention creating a “bookmark on your blog”, and then you show the HTML markup for a like post instead. Which do you mean? Likes or bookmarks? (Or both?)
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kicks well i think that's one of the interesting things about the indieweb - it sets a bar for participating (in comments, replies and so on) which naturally combats spam to a degree
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kicks i tried to follow the wiki - so that's a like?
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kicks what's a bookmark look like? i think either could work
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pstuifzand like = u-like-of
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pstuifzand bookmark = u-bookmark-of
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pstuifzand almost the same, only the intent is different
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kicks oh you're right!
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kicks yeah the code won't actually pick up that like, better fix that
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kicks Zegnet++ ok that should do
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Loqi zegnet has 1 karma
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kicks Zagnet++ bleh
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Loqi zagnet has 1 karma
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kicks haha
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kicks Zegnat++ !
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Loqi zegnat has 109 karma in this channel (257 overall)
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Zegnat Ohno, my 256 total?! :o
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kicks goodness overflow
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pstuifzand how long would it take for a post to arrive ?
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jmac Ta to schmarty for finding a bug in how Plerd handles likes: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3fnl3bgqg9kuku6/schmarty_likes.png?dl=0
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kicks pstuifzand: should be very quick at the moment
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pstuifzand Something went wrong then, I guess. I just sent a webmention but it didn't pick it up
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pstuifzand I got a 202, so that's good
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pstuifzand I did use the bookmark version, perhaps it's problem with my markup
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kicks ok yeah i see it
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kicks issue with my microformat reading looks like
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kicks pstuifzand: ok so the link to indieweb.xyz needs to have class="u-syndication"
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kicks i'm following how news.indieweb.org does it
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pstuifzand Ok. I'll try that.
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kicks pstuifzand++ thankyou for giving it a whirl!
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Loqi pstuifzand has 1 karma in this channel (4 overall)
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pstuifzand ok that worked
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pstuifzand There is a post now
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pstuifzand kicks, it didn't pickup the bookmark
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kicks ok let's see
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kicks pstuifzand: try a new post with the costco link
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kicks once you make a post, it can't be changed to a bookmark, i'll have to work on that
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kicks bbiab
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schmarty jmac: heh, whoops!! My site can get aggressive about sending webmentions
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Loqi schmarty: Zegnat left you a message 1 day, 5 hours ago: Would you make the “get a podcast shoutout for adding pronunciation to your homepage” a challenge on https://indieweb.org/pronunciation? That could be a fun incentive!
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schmarty Zegnat: good idea!!
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jmac The whoops is mine! I thought I flattened on source url but apparently not
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pstuifzand kicks let's move to #indieweb-dev, it's getting very devvy
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kicks sorry bout that folks, new here
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pstuifzand no problem, that's why we moved
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pstuifzand but very cool website
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pstuifzand is it also possible to write replies to a post?
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kicks pstuifzand: i may show reply counts, but i didn't want to redirect replies from the blog to the sub
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pstuifzand so the "conversation" happens on the blog?
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kicks yeah it seems like that's the way the indieweb works
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[jgmac1106] Can I put a picture in teacup?
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[schmarty] jgmac1106: yep, it has a photo option.
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[jgmac1106] I don't see it on FF for Android, but I see it in the doc pix
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aaronpk oh i think teacup only lets you add a photo if your site has a media endpoint
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[jgmac1106] Ohh okay. Will fix at later date. Was showing teacup to friends to say stop using Untapped
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aaronpk haha nice
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aaronpk teacup doesn't have any concept of actual identifiers for the things you eat/drink like untappd does
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davidmead aaronpk I was wondering the same thing about photos in Teacup. Never saw the photo option when I use it
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pstuifzand I tried to get an API key for untapp'd, to use the API and make something ownyourgram like, never heard back from them :(
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davidmead Playing around with Aperture and Together at the moment. Great accomplishment! Is there a bulk import function I’m missing, or a way to point it to an existing list of feeds (OPML)? I have a lot in Feedreader and entering them individually would be a pain
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pstuifzand I don't know of a OPML import tool for Microsub
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pstuifzand I only know of a little script that will add all feeds to one channel
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[jgmac1106] Teacup+webring+WP password post=elusive private post drinking buddy app
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davidmead I can export to an .xml file that contains the feeds in OPML. Wondering if hosting that file on my blog and pointing Aperture to that could work
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aaronpk someone would need to write a tool to import that OPML file
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davidmead Then I’m maintaining/curating the list and not relying on the Aperture UI
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davidmead that’s beyond my skillset aaronpk :-)
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aaronpk yeah that'd be cool. I'm not likely to prioritize that work in Aperture, but that could definitely be done as a separate service.
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davidmead I have over 400 feeds I use in Feedreader. Just wondering about the long-term vision for imports etc.
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pstuifzand There is this, for when you feeling adventurous: https://publog.stuifzandapp.com/posts/701
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Loqi [Peter Stuifzand] Adding feeds from an OPML file to a Microsub server with xmlstarlet and Ekster (ek) xmlstarlet sel -t -v "//outline/@xmlUrl" hotlist.opml | xargs -n 1 ek follow mtjTXQELiT60Wtm5ArVcLo5G The first part parses the xmlUrls from the OPML file. This w...
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davidmead thx pstuifzand bit of a non-starter for me at the moment. step zero, know how to use command line ;-)
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pstuifzand I also tried to import an OPML file, it worked 100+ feeds were imported, but it didn't work for me.
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pstuifzand I now use 1-10 feeds per channel, but mostly 1-2, but in many channels
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aaronpk wait what didn't work?
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pstuifzand "work for me" as in personally
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aaronpk oh
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pstuifzand :)
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aaronpk *whew*
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pstuifzand importing worked great
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pstuifzand It did take a few seconds per feed when importing all of them back-to-back
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pstuifzand davidmead, also the nice thing about Microsub servers/readers is that most of them support websites with Microformats. For those you wouldn't even need the RSS/Atom/JSONFeed.
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ A bunch of us started that very conversation this week in response to the public launch of a microsub server and several microsub clients. https://indieweb.org/2018/indiealgorithm https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/1013124793229561858)
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davidmead That is nice. The two I started with were aaronpk and tantek
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davidmead who I saw that option
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davidmead hmm - i just tried feedbase and go an error ‘Callback URL not approved for this client application’ when trying to use Twitter to sign in
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pstuifzand are you looking at the note I sent?
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pstuifzand I have the same error on feedbase, btw.
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davidmead glad it wasn’t just user error on my part
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@kickscondor Finished my first draft of http://indieweb.xyz - which is like http://news.indieweb.org for other topics. Thank you to #indieweb on Freenode for encouraging and testing the idea. ✨ (twitter.com/_/status/1013127748129210368)
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@manton2 IndieWeb Summit 2018 wrap-up: http://www.manton.org/2018/06/indieweb-summit-2018-wrap-up.html (twitter.com/_/status/1013128700748058624)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWeb Summit 2018 wrap-up | Manton Reece" http://www.manton.org/2018/06/indieweb-summit-2018-wrap-up.html (from https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/30/8/)
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@davidmead This year’s IndieWeb Summit had some really exciting things, as usual, including IndieWeb Readers. One day I’ll make it out to one of these. (http://djm.click/blog/b/5Wi) (twitter.com/_/status/1013138629080821760)
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chrisaldrich what is the facebook algorithm?
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Loqi Facebook Master Algorithm is the name given to Facebook's algorithm for determining what content to show in Facebook's reader (AKA News Feed shown on their logged-in homepage), also adopted and tweaked by Instagram for their reader (app home screen) https://indieweb.org/Facebook_Algorithm
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chrisaldrich Facebook_Algorithm << https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/bmvbaw/why-2016-was-the-year-of-the-algorithmic-timeline
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Loqi ok, I added "https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/bmvbaw/why-2016-was-the-year-of-the-algorithmic-timeline" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook_Master_Algorithm https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=49452&oldid=47973
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[jgarber] What is indieweb.xyz?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb.xyz" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "indieweb.xyz is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@tomwiththeweath verified #indieweb interoperability between http://micro.blog and http://indiebookclub.biz : http://tomwiththeweather.micro.blog/2018/06/30/finished-reading-blockchain.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1013155526568497152)
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@pstuifzand ↩️ @kickscondor Another way to look at the microformats (as used by Aperture) is: http://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Findieweb.xyz%2Fen%2Findieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1013167580746567682)
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[dougbeal] Are there any irc bouncers that support microsub?
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[dougbeal] What is irc bouncer
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "irc bouncer" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "irc bouncer is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[dougbeal] What is irc
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Loqi Internet Relay Chat (abbreviated IRC), in particular the #indieweb channel on the irc.freenode.net server, is the primary community discussion forum for IndieWebCamp and anything about the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/IRC
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ Depends on how distributed you're looking for. https://news.indieweb.org/ is set up to aggregate content which is first posted on other's sites & syndicated (currently w/o voting). https://indieweb.xyz/en launched today which includes categories and voting. (twitter.com/_/status/1013188476332802049)
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@kickscondor ↩️ Sorry to intrude. http://Indieweb.xyz doesn't include voting - in the same sense as Reddit. I am hesitant about using algorithms to curate. I am working on dat:// support - I have some good ideas about how to do it there, but wanted to just get the microformats part dialed. (twitter.com/_/status/1013191844983762944)
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aaronpk that's a pretty fun how-to https://indieweb.xyz/howto
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kicks aaronpk++ thankyou!
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Loqi aaronpk has 555 karma in this channel (1658 overall)
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aaronpk I should have you rewrite the docs for indienews :)
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kicks and very much appreciate indienews - consulted the code thoroughly :)
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Loqi agreed.
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kicks yes, certainly - that page can be ripped apart and reused
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