#indieweb 2018-06-29

2018-06-29 UTC
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@10Niel TFW: you realize your bright orange shirt *really* stood out at that tech conference... Thanks to everyone at #IndieWebSummit I learned so much and had a great time. (twitter.com/_/status/1012505747815424000)
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@jgmac1106 In honor of all the work @martymcguire @dougbeal and @anomalily did in relaunching webrings at #IndieWebSummit I have temporarily brought my blog back to the late nineties. You will find two webrings, one for WordPress IndieWeb, and ... INTERTEXTrEVOLUTION Greg McVerry (twitter.com/_/status/1012514619653574656)
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[jgmac1106] [wiobyrne] here is a story that was passed down in my 6h grade class. Started on Writely: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vNMW7dcDC97e_WYLkZlQnAEB3vQsQpF7SEMWZXvRalA/edit
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-06-29.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@jgmac1106 Here is the Theory of Change #IndieWeb Also on: https://is.gd/OYE3jv (twitter.com/_/status/1012553515271708672)
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@jgmac1106 Working on my Theory of Change for the IES grant that will use an education version of the MicroSub readers I saw at #IndieWebSummit Also on: https://is.gd/XcjwJe (twitter.com/_/status/1012553714371125248)
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[tantek] Wow California passed a "mini GDPR"! (Looks like a very good thing) https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/28/technology/california-online-privacy-law.html
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dougbeal|mb1 What is Kaja
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/Kaja
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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[deeden] Morning
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Loqi guten morgen
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Zegnat Anyone have done IndieWeb plans today?
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Zegnat s/done/some/
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Zegnat !tell schmarty Would you make the “get a podcast shoutout for adding pronunciation to your homepage” a challenge on https://indieweb.org/pronunciation? That could be a fun incentive!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[wiobyrne] Good morning IndieWeb. 🌞
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[wiobyrne] [tantek] I saw that about the mini GDPR from CA. Very exciting. Also noticed a net neutrality vote came up short by 46 votes in the House. Need to keep pushing.
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[wiobyrne] @zegnat I'm working on my newsletter today and then some R&D on tools/plugins to use to build up a research library on my site.
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Zegnat That sounds like fun!
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Zegnat Are you building anything there to archive/cache external resources?
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[wiobyrne] I sent out some Twitty activity last night to Scalar and people using Scalar to see what they thought of the tool. But... looking for a good option to use.
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[wiobyrne] That's my hope. I would see this as being a way to archive PDFs and present them in a way that is easy to review. I'd also like these PDFs to play nicely on a page with Hypothesis.
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[wiobyrne] In addition to the PDFs (because it's the Internet) I'd like to identify opportunities for open scholarship/data/research by nestling in data, videos, blog posts, etc to show the evolution of the research/pub over time.
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[wiobyrne] I'd even want to copy/paste in reviewer's comments.
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Zegnat Hmm, I wonder what my cacher does when you give it a URL to a PDF.
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Zegnat goes to find out
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Zegnat immediate abort is what happens, apparently
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[wiobyrne] I have a research pub just approved that will come out online once it makes it thorough copyedits. I'd like to have this new "library" ready to launch at the same time.
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jgmac1106_ morning #indieweb
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Zegnat Good morning jgmac1106
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[wiobyrne] Morning jgmac1106
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jgmac1106_ [wiobyrne] I have a scalar instance if you want tp play. It it is available in Installatron from reclaim so you can get one with a button
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[wiobyrne] Is it overkill for my purposes? And...is it appropriate for use if you want to add 25 to 35 "projects...or is it more for one "big" project?
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Zegnat What is Scalar?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Scalar" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Scalar is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[wiobyrne] Scalar is a free, open source authoring and publishing platform that’s designed to make it easy for authors to write long-form, born-digital scholarship online.
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat Maybe add a link too?
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[wiobyrne] https://scalar.me/anvc/scalar/
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Zegnat Scalar << https://scalar.me/anvc/scalar/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://scalar.me/anvc/scalar/" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Scalar https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=49398&oldid=49397
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[wiobyrne] Thanks Zegnat++
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Zegnat Don’t ++ me, I am at a nice round 256 right now :P
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Zegnat !karma Zegnat
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Loqi zegnat has 108 karma in this channel (256 overall)
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[wiobyrne] :star-struck:
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Zegnat !karma aaronpk
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Loqi aaronpk has 554 karma in this channel (1656 overall)
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Zegnat Now that’s karma ^^^ ;)
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[jgmac1106] [wiobyrne] just throw up an instance. You can have multiple projects. I still like etherpad or wiki for a gDoc alternative, but configuring etherpads is hard
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[jgmac1106] Still having connection issues dropping my signal every 20 minutes
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[wiobyrne] Yeah, not using etherpad instead of Google Docs.
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jgmac1106 still having connections issues, can’t have another day without solid speed
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jgmac1106 have to leave for beach as soon as baseball is over, if I don’t get some internet speed today will need a pile of speed when I get back from vacation to ctach up….grrrrr
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jgmac1106 [wiobyrne] register here if you want to play or just throw up an instance: http://jgregorymcverry.com/longform/
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jgmac1106 http://jgregorymcverry.com/longform/open-pedagogy/index
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jgmac1106 http://jgregorymcverry.com/longform/open-pedagogy/index?t=1530274421149
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jgmac1106 that took all the styling from gdocs if you dump into rich text editor, would need to export html or plain text from gDocs and move over
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jgmac1106 or just copy into plain text and add <p> tags
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Zegnat jgmac1106, I was surprised you hadn’t tested the URL arhiver yet, but guess the internet problems kinda hamper that :(
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jgmac1106 yeah, felt like I was in the woods of Sweeden or something, I have such a crappy last mile at my house, but in perspective. I lost my connection, a neighbor had a tree fall on their house and cause a fire…..I shouldn’t complain
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jgmac1106 also got stuck in a panic about wikispaces as I was thinking about archiver, I have until 7/31 to figure out how to archive sites I do not own and the person on the account is a firnd who passed away from breast cancer
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sknebel jgmac1106: I'm happy to help you with wikispaces over the next few weeks
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jgmac1106 but [zegna] you accidently rebuilt the storify replacement as well, combine the awsoem twitter screenshots, with an html5 slide generator and boom storify is back
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petermolnar is there not archive.org warrior project for wikispaces?
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petermolnar archiveteam, sorry
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jgmac1106 I found a script last night to —>wimimedia going to try
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jgmac1106 using arcive.org tools to date haven’t worked
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Zegnat I merely built a thing that snapshots DOM jgmac1106, but yeah, I was very happy that it seems to be 100% compatible with tweets :D
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sknebel petermolnar: there is, but I haven't checked how far it's getting. they have some code, but don't list it as an actively running project
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sknebel but that could be used
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jgmac1106 but that was just importing into wayback machine, just spins and spins
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jgmac1106 I know but only takes ten minutes for a user to discover a use case you would never consider
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jgmac1106 have a great morning all, gonna try to stay pretty radio silent to keep focused, full tomato-timer day, as kids have golf, baseball, and a beach party today
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jgmac1106 [zegnat] will carve out a tomatot or two today for testing, will it edventually be a micropub back up, meaning I can just publish a post to archive?
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Zegnat I am not sure how that would work jgmac1106, so probably not, I don’t see how that would scratch my own itch
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jgmac1106 my itch 🍴
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jgmac1106 just need the screenshots of tweets, will just use in blog posts for now
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Zegnat One thing I have thought about is accepting a post URL in the archiver, then the archiver will go and archive all h-cite’d URLs from the post. So you have automatic snapshots of external things you reference :)
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jgmac1106 would be neat
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[wiobyrne] Let me know if you find a way to deal with wikispaces. I downloaded them all as archives last month. I was thinking about building a wiki for myself and adding content from these wikis...but then I realized that apparently I only have 24 hours in a day. Go figure. 😉
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@DavidWolfpaw ↩️ I would like to see a more concerted effort of IndieWeb discussion in the community. People like @dshanske do a lot, but outside of that circle I never hear the wider WP community talk about it. We could do a better job of owning our stuff and sharing. (twitter.com/_/status/1012697038125875200)
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@jgmac1106 You know I am willing to talk to people anytime anywhere about their #IndieWeb WordPress experience as part of the UX research we are doing. You could also be the first to test if my IndieWeb WordPress webring ... https://is.gd/5AjABp (twitter.com/_/status/1012704538002771969)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ You know I am willing to talk to people anytime anywhere about their #IndieWeb WordPress experience as part of the UX research we are doing. You could also be the first to test if my IndieWeb WordPress webring works.https://www.wordpressindiewebring… http://jgregorymcverry.com/3907-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1012704567316713473)
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@jgmac1106 It is an iterative process started here: https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Onboarding and informing this: https://indieweb.org/User:Jgregorymcverry.com/getting-started-with-WordPress-for-beginners for later cognitive labs. But finding open ... https://is.gd/2XuI85 (twitter.com/_/status/1012706947773050883)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ It is an iterative process started here: https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Onboarding and informing this: https://indieweb.org/User:Jgregorymcverry.com/getting-started-with-WordPress-for-beginners for later cognitive labs. But finding open interviews around four questions best approach. Kicking myself for not taking better field notes at… http://jgregorymcverry.com/3909-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1012707287645839360)
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skippy jgmac1106++ for a good WP tutorial
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@jgmac1106 I started a weekly vHWC: Blogging 101 https://indieweb.org/Blogging_101 that has a strong #WordPress focus (though off last week and next…Summit/vacation) we also don't have an HWC Detorit. Would be honored to help you launch one. ... https://is.gd/1uGUoF (twitter.com/_/status/1012708817178488832)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I started a weekly vHWC: Blogging 101 https://indieweb.org/Blogging_101 that has a strong #WordPress focus (though off last week and next…Summit/vacation) we also don’t have an HWC Detorit. Would be honored to help you launch one. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/3911-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1012708876385509377)
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@HongPong Rebuild the internet #indieweb https://twitter.com/HongPong/status/1012449308656963587 (twitter.com/_/status/1012709674678980608)
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@jgmac1106 Serious about joining the IndieWeb WordPress webring: https://www.wordpressindiewebring.jgregorymcverry.com/. Easiest way to hang together is to make sure none of us break the ring. Yeah I luck out as an academic and just make #IndieWeb fun part ... https://is.gd/UrHfbG (twitter.com/_/status/1012710064426274816)
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[nate658] realizes he should put pronunciation on his website for his name __and__ his domainname
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jgmac1106 thanks [skippy] I think this weekend [lovi.star.is] helped me solve the visually driven UI experience of the Splash page. We used Independent Publisher (but any will work) and then added a page builder on a static homepage and other pages
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jgmac1106 so all the IndieWeb plumbing will work and people can still be visually creative with their homepage or any other page they add.
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dgold considers buying a .me domain
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Loqi dgold: jeremycherfas left you a message 2 weeks, 5 days ago: When I travel alone I am happy to take a room in someone's house via airbnb and give them a bit of cash. I don't do whole dwellings myself.
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dgold :)
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dgold has it really been that long? furrfu
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@jgmac1106 @audreywatters you should cover the #IndieWeb summit https://indieweb.org/2018/Schedule in next weeks edition. Don't think its all doom and gloom, and while VC money pushed a ton of swag at ISTE this week we at least brought webrings back: ... https://is.gd/e62VBI (twitter.com/_/status/1012716057977671680)
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[wiobyrne] I'm currently working on my newsletter, and in this I like to drop a hyperlink to the "best" location for an individual online. As an example, I'm dropping a link to [chrisaldrich] to his "contact" page on his domain. Given the discussion about Twitter in the other channel...if I were linking to someone I don't know...would you suggest linking to Twitter, to their website, elsewhere? For now, it's me imposing my bias/perspective on what is "best.
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KartikPrabhu [wiobyrne]: in the context of indieweb, their website for sure
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[wiobyrne] Absolutely. And since I "know" Chris, I would link there. But, I'm wondering if should change my practices to link to their domain...as opposed to Twitter. Even if it looks like they use Twitter (or social) more than their website.
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KartikPrabhu I would link to whatever people use most
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Zegnat If they have set up their domain as their identity (it tells you who they are, and probably also links to their twitter account), then that feels like the place that should be linked to.
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KartikPrabhu if it is public
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jgmac1106 [wiobyrne] this is why I ask loqi and use what the user notes as their u-url
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jgmac1106 who is wiobyrne
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[wiobyrne] I'll usually go to Twitter first to link to someone, or share their "identity." If they don't have Twitter, I'll link to an institutional page, or elsewhere. Usually stay away from LinkedIn and fBook.
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Loqi Ian O'Byrne is an educator, researcher, & award-winning online DJ. He spends his time building & breaking things online https://indieweb.org/User:Wiobyrne.com
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jgmac1106 check your hcard, sees your domain
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jgmac1106 [wiobyrne] this is a course I am teaching in late July: https://edu-522.glitch.me (Only see notes.md for now) but it will be explicitly #IndieWeb and open like all our courses, gonna do a ton of microcasting
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Loqi Course Title
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[wiobyrne] Definitely agree. But, I'm thinking about those people that may have a website, but don't do anything with it. And they definitely don't worry about their u-url. For these individuals, I've been linking to Twitter first. But, thinking about the other discussion...and the talk about "being" IndieWeb...I think I'm going to start linking directly to their website. Even if it's not IndieWebified.
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Zegnat I would do that, [wiobyrne]. You can always give them a nudge saying that, if their main online identity is their twitter, they should link to their twitter more prominently from their own domains
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Zegnat (Or, if they have the time and even better: start owning their own tweets on their own domain!)
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[wiobyrne] jgmac1106 we know tons of people that have a website, but it's merely a placeholder. If nothing is happening there...I usually ignore it. I'm thinking about what that says when I ignore it...if I'm thinking about domains and IndieWeb in my own work...but when I look at others, I privilege a social network.
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KartikPrabhu [wiobyrne]: maybe link to both? to encourage people to use their websites more
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jgmac1106 yeah but then you get in the ethical quandry of is it right to point to a domain you know somebody doesn’t mantain if you know their social media is their primary identity
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jgmac1106 I like [karthikPrabhu] idea.
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KartikPrabhu jgmac1106: if their website is linked to from Twitter then I don't see any ethical dilemma
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jgmac1106 If I personally know somebody wants their Twitter profile as their online business card and my goal is to best represent them in a broadcast post then I would respect that wish
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jgmac1106 (them DM and say hey I can help you tweet from your website)
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[wiobyrne] Absolutely. You're both getting to the epiphany I think I'm having. I stopped doing that because they weren't using that space. By highlighting it...I was (in some ways) pointing out that they don't use it. Perhaps by going there...I'm encouraging them to utilize that space.
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[wiobyrne] Reminds me of my first "tech" meetup while at a conference and people starting asking for my "Handle." I quickly learned that was Twitter...and I'd better start using it more.
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[wiobyrne] So [jgmac1106] when you go to a conference, do you write your website, or your Twitter handle on your nametag?
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jgmac1106 jgmac1106 isnt my twitter handle its me everywhere if I have a public nickname that is it, so I am different
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jgmac1106 but it will be both from now on. we need another run of the my url is shirt….
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Zegnat You also need to get jgmac1106.com ;) really make it your handle
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KartikPrabhu I think IWC previously used a "my url is " name tags
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Zegnat looks up what it would cost to get his handle as domain as well
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Zegnat The IWCs I have been at recommended writing URLs on the nametags for sure
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jgmac1106 [zegnat] got you covered. will give you a free domain from [jared] of name.com
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jgmac1106 I am doing the same, good idea
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Zegnat I would need martijnvdven.com, I guess. .com is still the defacto default, right?
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KartikPrabhu yes
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jgmac1106 you need what ever you want [jalcine] uses .wtf
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KartikPrabhu haha
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KartikPrabhu zegnat.club
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Zegnat you know what, here is a pledge: if you get me martijnvdven.com I will make sure to put a microblog on there that POSSE’s to my Twitter!
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jgmac1106 I have a gift card for you , I don’t know where but they are around,
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jgmac1106 many make the pledge to never use Twitter and that’s cool too
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Zegnat I need something that pushes me to just setup at least a small blog to start writing again. I keep pushing it out waiting for myself to write the perfect writing interface
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Zegnat I had a .club domain for a Twitch streamer at some point, when they were trying to sell people on it and were basically giving .club away. One of those $1 for the first year type of deals.
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jgmac1106 the perfect sentence is as ellusive as the perfect SSG/CMS just write as you build build as you write
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @film_girl @rbonini Can you point a domain at this? If so sounds like an #IndieWeb possibility (twitter.com/_/status/1012726027208949760)
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jgmac1106 who is @miklb
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jgmac1106 who is miklb?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Miklb.com
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[wiobyrne] Absolutely. I've been thinking about how I'll position myself IRL. Thinking about setting up an IndieWebify table at upcoming conferences. Hand out "my URL is stickers" etc.
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@jgmac1106 There are also some great WordPress framework builders made by @LinkedIn and the classes are free all July. @miklb has some ideas to build #IndieWeb libraries into these tools. Be an awesome way to get more Azure support. @film_girl any tutorial ... https://is.gd/t4ElQJ (twitter.com/_/status/1012728052420407296)
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jgmac1106 [wiobyrne] one difference of course is I also syndicate to twitter, then I use the handle to keep the thread going
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dougbeal Good morning indieweb and osbridge!
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jgmac1106 [zegnat] messaged you the free domain, you deserve so much more the the remote leader from the summit
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Zegnat jgmac1106, I will be looking forward to any microcasts you might do as part of the course
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jgmac1106 of course you will you will be part of them
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jgmac1106 atleast one or two
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Zegnat where did you message me?
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jgmac1106 one way to write more is to just join the class, don’t have to do all the things, if you have free time or a topic interest you just hop in
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jgmac1106 irc, but I may have messed up
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jgmac1106 yep bracketed name
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Zegnat Yeah, got it now
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Zegnat He, maybe I will join the class, if you remember me!
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jgmac1106 hop in and out is really how the best MOOCs work, remember when @dcormier coined the term he meant massively open not massively huge, that was soft money and VC distortion
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[wiobyrne] It's always fun to plug in terms to Hover and see what pops up.
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[wiobyrne] You need to just write. It'll never be perfect.
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[wiobyrne] *coming from the person that spent yesterday trying to find an alt-Google Docs*
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[kevinmarks] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/azure-storage-static-web-hosting-public-preview/
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jgmac1106 I almost lost jgmac1106.com, needs to go get it, I got satired once when a clan I lead in a game demolished another, I got the complete parody accounts on Twitter and reddit, fun times, Twiitter never blue checked me
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jgmac1106 only time being jgmac1106 everywhere backfired, but again, straight, white, male=easier and safer. Best approach is to simply ask someone how they want to be represented. Many here while listing a twitter rpofile on a page ask not to be mentioned or ask you point to url
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[Vanessa] I have domains that mirror my Twitter and Instagram users, but have to confess that setting up a user page on the Indieweb wiki is beyond me. I keep having a look and deciding I have no idea what to do. One day...
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[wiobyrne] It took me some time as well [Vanessa]. I finally realized yesterday that I didn't finish up and finally figured it out. I can help if needed. But, I am merely a padawan. 🙂
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gRegorLove Hi [Vanessa], do you mean you're not sure what to put there, or are you running into problems trying to update the user page?
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jgmac1106 [vanessa] yes that is a common theme, I helped three people through the process at the Summit, actually became a mini session during the hack hours
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gRegorLove There's some starter details on https://indieweb.org/wikifying#Wikify_yourself
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jgmac1106 https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started/
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[Vanessa] [wiobyrne] Thanks. I can log in but I think the problem is that it just presents me with an editor in which to write html. Cos, yeah, I think my Esperanto is better then my html. ☹ I'm just a n00b user whose coding skills stopped at the turn of the century and I only really liked Pascal and C anyway, I'm the one trying to prove it can be done by a (vaguely) "normal".
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jgmac1106 is where people go but join us is so far down the page, we need these common asks to be on here https://indieweb.org/ and don’t tell [kevinmarks] but I would make them into cards
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[kevinmarks] Wow https://twitter.com/mikarv/status/1012386696934182912?s=19
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@mikarv When pushed with the GDPR, @spotify gives you a huge amount of telemetry data from their app (for me, 850mb of JSON files). Includes your A/B testing history, anything you've ever drag-dropped, connected, so on. This is how software works today. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dgy4OsJW4AIudYj.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1012386696934182912)
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[wiobyrne] [Vanessa] no worries. I spent some time clicking the edit button on the pages for other people, and copy/pasting/editing to make my page finally work.
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gRegorLove [Vanessa], you can write plain text in there, doesn't have to be fancy to start. There is an HTML snippet you can copy on that wikifying link ^^ which will link to your homepage.
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[Vanessa] [gregorlove] Hi. I'm able to update the page I think. I've tried putting some stuff in the editor but it wasn't much. I don't know how to set out a page. I'll have another look some time! Thanks.
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gRegorLove Sounds good. You're welcome to ping me with any questions. :)
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Zegnat Or me, if European time zones are better :)
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[wiobyrne] I can jump on a Hangout or Skype to talk through things if that'll help.
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jgmac1106 [gRegorLove] need to just take wikifyme and make it a seven step tutorial that is on getting started page. That is where everyone goes. Making an account is getting started and wikify me is too long to be effective for a “How do I make an account tutorial”
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jgmac1106 whomever helps record for stills later for effective tutorials
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[Vanessa] [wiobyrne] Ah, that sounds like a good idea! I've just looked at the page mentioned & a nickname sounds fun, as of course my page comes up with my website which isn't exactly short! At least now when I log in that comes up. Previously I seemed to be logged in with my WordPress username which was a bit rubbish. Guess I've discovered my project for the weekend!
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gRegorLove Maybe. It's under /Getting_Started#Share_and_Join_Us which I think is a decent place in the process.
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[wiobyrne] [Vanessa] agreed. Take your time. As I said, I followed the links that everyone has shared. I also opened up pages for others to see what the code shows.
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[wiobyrne] If you look at my page (https://indieweb.org/User:Wiobyrne.com) you can click on edit at the top and see what I wrote...copy/modify for your page when you get your page working.
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[wiobyrne] If you edit my info...please just make me sound more interesting. 😉
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[Vanessa] [wiobyrne] Cool. Thanks, again. It's like when they showed Zegnat's h-card at the Summit. I don't even know how to find out what mine says, let alone edit it. I think the WordPress Indieweb plugin created it - although the Indiewebify site tells me its not the "representative" card and I should add something. I would, if I could. And when I look things up, the explanation starts at 10 when I'm at 3... But I'm getting there.
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Zegnat (Note that my h-card really only works because the entire home page is hand crafted HTML, and I trust myself not to mess up a single mf2 class position.)
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KartikPrabhu [Vanessa]: please point out explanations that don't make sense/are not useful to you. such feedback is important to improve the wiki
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[wiobyrne] Baby steps. You've got this. Open it up, tweak it a bit, save and see what it does. Repeat the process. If you get stuck...we're all here for support.
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KartikPrabhu also what [wiobyrne] said :)
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[Vanessa] I guessed it was something fancy Martijn. I just need to figure out this representative thing, that's all I want. I'm not going near mf2 thingies not for a looooong time!
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[wiobyrne] ...and when you get it figured out...you're going to be so happy. I was stoked yesterday when I finally figured out how to add a profile image. 🙂
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gRegorLove Yep, you won't break the wiki and things can always be updated or changed back. :)
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gRegorLove [Vanessa], What's your site, by the way? Know the next thing you want to do with it?
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Zegnat Should be in the notes of the intros?
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Zegnat What is 2018/Intros?
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[Vanessa] It's blog.vanessahamshere.uk & I'm not exactly sure what's next. I'm currently using WordPress but that might change as a friend is creating an Indieweb-compatible platform which has a self-hosted option.
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[Vanessa] I don't feel the need to syndicate much. I really only use it for micro.blog at the moment. I need to play more with webmentions - currently all I do now is pull in replies from micro.blog.
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[Vanessa] I was quite interested in the reader aspect and things like pulling in Goodreads stuff. I looked at the microsub notes, though, and gave up very quickly!
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Zegnat Microsub is very new, so you’ll find most documentation is still aimed at the people who are building Microsub tools. You should be able to get started relatively easy now that Aperture allows for signups though.
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[Vanessa] Yeah, I seemed to get a bit of exposure at the Summit, with the intro and the micro.blog podcast screen featuring my episode!
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[chrisaldrich] [wiobyrne] for your newsletter and linking to a person's "canonical" page, you might also consider person-tagging as an option.
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[chrisaldrich] What is person tag?
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Loqi A person tag (AKA people tag) is a person mention that is also a tag on a post that refers to a specific person by URL rather than just a word or phrase, and is done as an explicit tagging action by the user, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink / h-card / or @-name, autocompleted or not https://indieweb.org/person-tag
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[chrisaldrich] [wiobyrne] Here's an example of what I've done before that links their personal page and includes additional social links (as a fall-back): https://boffosocko.com/2017/12/09/group-photo-at-indiewebcamp-austin-2017/
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[wiobyrne] Thanks [chrisaldrich] that's what I needed. Trying to do a better job linking back to original "sources." I think this is important in quotes (Hypothesis). links, and people.
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[chrisaldrich] The one other thing to be cognizant of is that not all sites that support webmention will support it on all of their URLs. For example, archive pages on WordPress don't receive webmentions and some sites don't support homepage webmentions evenly.
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[wiobyrne] I guess it's a broader "meta" question along the lines of "who are you really online?" But...if someone else is making that decision for you.
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[chrisaldrich] It's a tougher problem on sites like Instagram which don't let you easily hyperlink anything, so people regularly change the one URL they're given in their profile which they then cross reference from their posts.
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[wiobyrne] Absolutely.
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[chrisaldrich] Then when you're looking at older posts that say, "click the link in my profile" the whole system comes crashing down because they've changed that link more often than they change their avatar profile.
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aaronpk and then people build services that solve that problem
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aaronpk https://linkin.bio
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[chrisaldrich] Instagram-- for poor UX/UI
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Loqi instagram has -3 karma in this channel (-4 overall)
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Zegnat I have even seen ironic use of #linkinbio hashtags on Instagram, by people who do not even have links in their bio :P
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Zegnat Lets see if I can find such a post as example
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[Vanessa] I looked at some posts on installing Aperture (I think they may have been by [dgold]). Way beyond my abilities.
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GWG Afternoon
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GWG Vanessa, stay tuned
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aaronpk [Vanessa]: like it says on the tin, Aperture is definitely not ready for most people to be able to install it
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dgold vanessa - it is definitely a tough ask
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aaronpk but, I did open it up for signups for the hosted version
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GWG By the way, rel me is not needed to log into the wiki if you have the Indieauth plugin for WordPress installed and working
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[dougbeal] [snarfed] does baffle run against your home blog?
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snarfed [dougbeal]: sorry? i don't follow
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snarfed it's not tied to any single site or newsblur account
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[dougbeal] [snarfed] so it doesn’t matter what site the worker runs under?
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[chrisaldrich] While I'm playing catch up, [wiobyrne] Here are some resources for your WordPress/Collaboration question that involve google prods/etherpad/etc: https://ma.tt/2017/03/wordpress-collaborative-editing/, http://participad.org/, https://wordpress.org/plugins/tinymce-annotate/, https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/the-new-york-times-develops-a-wordpress-collaboration-plugin-for-editors/
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snarfed you mean the cloudflare worker? afaik no, if you sign up for cloudflare and put the code into your own worker running on your own site, it should work
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snarfed thinking of hacking on it?
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[dougbeal] Yeah, trying to get it working. Just copy the session id from a newsblur session?
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snarfed yup! take that cookie value and give it to your microsub client as the token
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[wiobyrne] chrisaldrich++
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Loqi chrisaldrich has 61 karma in this channel (95 overall)
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snarfed very awkward, i know
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[wiobyrne] Thanks a ton. All links saved and will soon start building/breaking my writing process. 🙂
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GWG snarfed, what is next to bridge?
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snarfed hah
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snarfed other feed readers! feedly, etc. https://snarfed.org/microsub-bridge
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GWG I realized when you say that I do it too
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@jgmac1106 Though @film_girl I challenge you to get the entire @RocketFm crew on the IndieWeb ring https://jgregorymcverry.com and if the cohosts have a WordPress site they can join my ring https://https://www.wordpressindiewebring.jgregorymcverry.com get ... https://is.gd/OzEJEY (twitter.com/_/status/1012743883162255360)
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[chrisaldrich] [wiobyrne] If you do a web search for "wordpress draft sharing" there are a few slick plugins for doing this piece as well. I've looked at several, a month or two ago, but haven't come to any conclusions as yet since it's not an immediate itch.
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[wiobyrne] I'd like to build up that research library on my site...but have also been looking at my addiction (and the field's addiction) to Google Docs.
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[chrisaldrich] But it's a useful area of research and building. We should document some of it on the wiki perhaps on /Indieweb_for_Education to start
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GWG Collaborative editing is addictive
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[dougbeal] [snarfed] do I need to actually use cloudfront dns to access the worker? I’m a bit fuzzy today.
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[wiobyrne] I've been on about five emails with people huge in privacy/security and they're like "please share info on this Google Doc" which is usually followed by a "Yes, I know that it's ridiculous that we're using Google Docs but we're concerned about privacy/security."
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[snarfed] [dougbeal] cloudflare dns? as just a baffle user? definitely not
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[wiobyrne] I think there's very real opportunities for open scholarship/research/data/science in IndieWeb. It's the same mindset. Just need to build proof of concept and see what it looks like.
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[snarfed] cloudflare now serves snarfed.org's DNS, but you shouldn't have to do anything special as a user
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Zegnat [wiobyrne]: because you may fear email, but do trust Google to keep stuff safe (at least from all non-Google parties)
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[dougbeal] [snarfed] oh, I can just use your worker and my session id?
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[snarfed] yes, hopefully
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gRegorLove What is Baffle?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Baffle" yet. Would you like to create it?_ (Or just say "Baffle is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[snarfed] oh god no, way too early
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[chrisaldrich] [wiobyrne] There's also services like https://www.overleaf.com/ (a silo, but reasonably open) for online collaboration, but it is geared more toward LaTeX, which KartikPrabhu might find more useful if he hasn't seen it.
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gRegorLove We should submit the post-summit blogs to indienews for today's newsletter: https://indieweb.org/2018#Blog
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gRegorLove If they're not already
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Loqi agreed.
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[chrisaldrich] feels guilty that mine is only half written.
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Zegnat I don’t think my big rewrite of the demos log is going to be ready before the newsletter goes out :( I need to run for dinner soon now that I am back on Sweden time
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snarfed [dougbeal]: any luck?
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gRegorLove Zegnat, I might be able to take a crack at it. Work emails are a bit more under control now :)
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Zegnat If you want to! I kinda got stuck continuing on Tuesdays project yesterday when I should’ve been doing the demos write-up
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gRegorLove I saw your archive tool. Was that your summit project? Pretty cool!
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Zegnat It was!
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[chrisaldrich] [wiobyrne] And finally on the subtlety of drafts in WordPress, you should be aware of this https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/post-revisions/ if you're not already.
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Zegnat I actually had all the code running in time, but turned out `npm i puppeteer` is not enough on a Debian server for Headless Chrome, so sadly no demo from me on IWS :( Else I would have had schmarty live-archive a URL on stage.
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[wiobyrne] chrisaldrich++
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[wiobyrne] No, I haven't been using revisions. I think I should, but have not as of yet.
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@wiobyrne Develop your expertise in tech, education, & literacy. TL;DR #156 is now out. A little listening, #IndieWeb, privacy, & resistance http://bit.ly/2Kg5jLE (twitter.com/_/status/1012753774815907840)
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[dougbeal] [snarfed] Sorry, keynote. Which reader supports a token?
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snarfed [dougbeal]: Together! in "App Settings"
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[dougbeal] [snarfed] found it, so I should just ask it to add newsblur?
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[dougbeal] Can the endpoint be https?
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snarfed [dougbeal]: yes!
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[dougbeal] [snarfed] If I have the endpoint and token setup correctly, will stuff appear in together?
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snarfed [dougbeal]: it should! after you set the token, try reloading in your browser
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snarfed and if you log into together again, you need to set the token again
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@t Sharing brief @IndieWebSummit notes as they come to mind. This was the first year people pre-wrote proposals before the #BarCamp organizing session. As facilitator I decided to have people who never proposed before go first. Coincidentally, ... http://tantek.com/t4vB1 (twitter.com/_/status/1012761214986932225)
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KartikPrabhu oh no! where is the rest Loqi?
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KartikPrabhu good thing for POSSE and I can find it on [tantek]'s website :P
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[dougbeal] [snarfed] Nothing appears, how would you suggest debugging it.
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snarfed [dougbeal]: good q! not sure. best bet would be running a local microsub client so you can see its logs. i'm busy w/work until at least later this afternoon so i won't be able to do a deep dive right now
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snarfed thank you for trying it though! i'm looking forward to getting you up and running!
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@heinz “The IndieWeb concept is more or less the same as what I think any technology or method should be to create networked agency: …” Spending a Morning on the Indie Web /by @ton_zylstra https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2018/06/spending-a-morning-on-the-indie-web/ (twitter.com/_/status/1012766650108727296)
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[dougbeal] What is microsub
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Loqi Microsub provides a standardized way for reader apps to interact with feeds https://indieweb.org/microsub
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[dougbeal] Going to containerize together and run it
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snarfed wow ok!
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snarfed we need a command line microsub client
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aaronpk haha gosh
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snarfed aaronpk often includes debugging info in his client side tools, i wonder if monocle has any
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dgold snarfed: I'd like a command line microsub _server_
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dgold never mind a client
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snarfed hrm. seems...less useful.
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snarfed alternatively, cloudflare needs to add decent logging to its workers!
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[wiobyrne] As an aside...it's been interesting watching GDPR work it's way through our Institutional Review Board (IRB) as they review/approve applications for research.
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[wiobyrne] Most of my research involves individuals in online/hybrid spaces, and GDPR is impacting everything...but definitely my work.
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Zegnat Isn't there a cli microsub client?
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Zegnat What is ekster?
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Loqi Ekster is a Microsub server written in Go https://indieweb.org/Ekster
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Zegnat Ekster includes ek: a microsub command line tool.https://github.com/pstuifzand/ekster/blob/master/README.md
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Zegnat (this was most definitely dev talk. Oops.)
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Zegnat dgold snarfed ^^^
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@frankmeeuwsen Met de IndieWeb Webring ontdek je een nieuw blog met elke klik. Veel leuker dan je bestaande rijtje sites! http://diggingthedigital.com/webring/ (twitter.com/_/status/1012792878530211840)
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[wiobyrne] If I wanted to... couldn't I already do this with a WordPress site? https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/28/17514986/serial-box-microfiction-monday-app-short-stories-fiction
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Zegnat Sending notifications from your website can still be a bit tricky. But sure! The article even mentioned that the “idea has a bit in common with the short stories that some authors publish to Twitter”
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[wiobyrne] I noticed people were talking about it on Twitter...and comparing it to just "tweets."
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-06-29.html
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[wiobyrne] I'd rather have it live on my blog/website.
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I was just thinking about how this might be codified a bit better as well, particularly for folks who are attending their first BarCamp-style event. I don't know if some people were expecting the sessions and planning to play out the way they did ... https://boffosocko.com/2018/06/29/on-barcamp-scheduling/ (twitter.com/_/status/1012796152096276480)
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gRegorLove Hm, jacky's post is missing a title in the newsletter
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gRegorLove jalcine, Can you add a p-name for your post title on https://jacky.wtf/weblog/indieweb-summit-2018/ ?
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Loqi [Jacky Alciné] I keep talking about IndieWeb. Today, I attended the IndieWeb Summit of 2018 and left feeling super enamored to not continue working on my site and building tools for others to experiment with, but also to figure out how to better market and push ...
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gRegorLove Then we can re-send the webmention for indienews and the title should show up
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[snarfed] thanks Zegnat! [dougbeal] sounds like ek would help with debugging baffle
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-06-29.html
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-06-29.html https://t.co/tfPtnvLpHn (twitter.com/_/status/1012821774461833216)
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