#indieweb 2018-06-28

2018-06-28 UTC
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Zegnat in theory the server would start, take a frontpage URL, and return a nice URL to see what is happening
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@jackyalcine ↩️ AJ's up and ported over the standards of IndieWeb to a friendly page (soon to be available on the main site). ANDD he made some improvements to lazymention, a service for static sites to send out WebMentions (trust me - this is a blessing of a service) #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012123428801871872)
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Zegnat ([wiobyrne] theoretically I will go through all these logs on the wiki and add the links where neccessary_
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Zegnat The URL is accessible, shows it is in progress,and shows the number of pending webmentions
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Zegnat Eventually the page will say it has completed the task
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Zegnat [chrisaldrich], glad you get some use out of me writing :D
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Zegnat Nex tup ...?
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty @reading @glitch There's new UX for handling job information too! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012123736043065344)
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Zegnat Was at the filtering/algo session yesterday
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Zegnat Thought he knew how to do it, so built a prototype
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Zegnat Lots of content on the IndieWeb, but hard to filter and rank it, unlike silos
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Zegnat Bunch of posts that can be sorted by scores
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Zegnat Can drag “people” around in the scoring
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Zegnat Anything with a URL can be filtered and sorted
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Zegnat Can grab posts from all over
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Zegnat Lowering Caleb’s score
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Zegnat All the scores you set are available at a URL
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gRegorLove (This is Michael Toomin [sp?])
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Zegnat Scores can be pulled from all over the place, because published scores at a URL can be imported by anyone
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Zegnat Maybe someone makes a function that filters cat photos, then you could pull that in
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Zegnat Or filter out people with political biases. Ot see the oposite of what you normally see.
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Zegnat For discovery: people can make groups
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Zegnat Groups can be rated, e.g. rate up the indieweb group to surface everything indieweb people are writing
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[wiobyrne] Thanks a ton Zegnat++
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Zegnat next up jackjamieson
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Zegnat Got “one very small job” done
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[wiobyrne] A valued service!!!
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Zegnat Recently started adding read posts, but wanted to keep them separate
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gRegorLove jackjamieson.net
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Zegnat Filtered them out on his theme, and added a reading page separately
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Zegnat Started working on a microsub-server-as-a-wordpress-plugin
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Zegnat Started with the micropub plugin, and find&replaced micropub for microsub
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Zegnat Mixed results. But surprisingly good.
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Zegnat Can now login to Monocle, and it will give an error message
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Zegnat But it isn’t the first error, he has been through a few!
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@jackyalcine ↩️ We got Jack // http://jackjamieson.net/ up with a new "read" post on his site by way of IndieBookClub // http://indiebookclub.biz #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012125301374115841)
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Zegnat Thanks to unicyclic for advice
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gRegorLove {{mblaney}}
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Zegnat Got his website fully migrated (he showed half migration during intro)
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Zegnat IndieAuth suddenly started working, because Authorization headers are no longer being stripped
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Zegnat Did a read post, and a checkin
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Zegnat Proud member of two web rings!
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Zegnat As a finale: ...
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Zegnat Taking his site offline
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Zegnat Now schmarty feels like he needs to end his demo by taking his website down
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Zegnat Worked on a little project
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Zegnat (and forgot to open with his name and URL ;))
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Zegnat New project on [[Glitch]]
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Zegnat He wants to question the fact that we rely on domain names
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Zegnat Lots of problems, DNS, domain names, don’t always align
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gRegorLove "I dunno, this DNS thing sounds like a fad to me" - {{martymcguire}}
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Zegnat The problem is clearly visible because they mess with the webring . ws domain name
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Zegnat Can add himself automatically to the indieweb ring
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Zegnat webring uses hashemoji to create a unique emoji for everyone
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Zegnat next and back links are real, not random at all (even though he gets different pages every time)
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Marty // @schmarty is up and thinks DNS is a thing of the PAST! Also is on the IndieWeb WEB RING! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012126551410868226)
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Zegnat Lots of laughing, but I don’t know what that was about, sadly. Something about schmarty smashing his laptop? :P
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jalcine nah close
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jalcine it's moreso about web rings
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jalcine but like it not being "random"
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[dougbeal] https://🕸.ws
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[dougbeal] All the docket files https://github.com/dougbeal/docker-dougbeal.com.git
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Zegnat Thanks [dougbeal], that will save me from looking for links
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jalcine lol
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Zegnat Next up ... someone who wanted webmention on Dat.
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jalcine +💯
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Zegnat Copying a URL from webmention.rocks
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jalcine agh no reacji on IRC
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gRegorLove (showed up for me. all depends on irc client)
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Zegnat Demos how beaker works with writing things
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Zegnat Post showed up on webmention.rocks
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Zegnat Created the dat content into the archive he selected through beaker
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gRegorLove (This is Irakli [sp], missed the URL)
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Zegnat Had to write a mirroring tool because none of the tools support Dat
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Zegnat Has a glitch proxy that makes it available to the HTTP webmention endpoint
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty @reading @glitch We got a demo of sending WebMentions over the DAT protocol. So it's ... DATMENTION lol #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012127498870689797)
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Zegnat Would like us to update tools to talk other protocols
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Zegnat (I would like to point out that the tools do not even do HTTP2. So good luck getting on Dat.)
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Zegnat Next up ..?
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Zegnat Worked on basic building blocks
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Zegnat Was updating his blog with vim and rsync
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gRegorLove Ryan Johnson, iambismark.net
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Zegnat Can now use Quill to post
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Zegnat Shows off multi-party uploads through micropub.rocks
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Zegnat excited about the progress he made
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Zegnat s/multi-party/multi-part/
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Zegnat (although multi-party sounds good too!_
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty @reading @glitch We got a live demo of someone getting MicroPub via Quill to send posts on their site! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012128103013994497)
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schmarty http://🕸💍.ws is the link to my project above btw
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tantek__ up next: Lovi
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tantek__ went from zero to IndieWeb
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tantek__ 36 hours ago had no website
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Zegnat Webmention did not work quiet out of the box.
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Zegnat (I am assuming WordPress?)
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jalcine err I think so
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Zegnat From having seen Lovi in the Blue Room today ;)
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tantek__ yes I believe so
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Zegnat Generated some content this morning
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@jackyalcine ↩️ We got a talk-through from Lovi of how a Gen 4 got themselves to make a Indie RSVP for this year's summit! All done with BeaverBuilder! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012128720713338880)
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Zegnat Today got the homepage. able to use ... beaverbuilder?
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gRegorLove lovi.star.is
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Zegnat Aah, jalcine knows whats up :D
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Zegnat Thanks guys, I had no sound here
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tantek__ Lovi++
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Loqi lovi has 1 karma
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jalcine going to investigate - I think aaronpk is on it
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Zegnat Next up. The man himself. The great. GWG
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gRegorLove Lovi++
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Loqi lovi has 2 karma
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Zegnat Oh, no, sound now
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jalcine yay GWG
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Zegnat I meant that Lovi wasn’t at the mic ;)
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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gRegorLove Yeah, she had to turn off her laptop so was stepping away to view the projection
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jalcine Ah okay
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jalcine Zegnat: is that better?
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Zegnat Has talked about Vouch yesterday at the session
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jalcine I think aaron did something lol
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Zegnat And has been building a plugin for Vouches
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Zegnat Shows a “gRegorLove webmention”
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Zegnat (Wow, sound suddenly went from one ear to both. And back to one ear. Haha.)
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Zegnat Not really doing much with the Vouch
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jalcine gRegorLove lost his opportunity to be whitelisted lol
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Zegnat Also added a new button: he can not only approve a person, but also use “approve & whitelist” to immediately whitelist the sender for the future
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Zegnat “Coming soon to a WordPress near you”
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aaronpk_ oh you just meant that she wasn't at the mic, darn! I screwed up the recording by fiddling with it!
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Zegnat Shouldn’t be too messed up, I was still able to scribe most of GWG’s
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jalcine Oh I thought it was like completely out :( :(
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@strugee2 ❤️❤️❤️ #iws2018 #indieweb https://twitter.com/jackyalcine/status/1012123428801871872 (twitter.com/_/status/1012129882002710528)
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Zegnat There is some weird static sometimes ... phones being to close maybe? Nothing you can do about that though
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Zegnat Nate Angell
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@jackyalcine ↩️ And now David // https://david.shanske.com/ is speaking on Vouch, the tooling mentioned from the other day to help with moderation of your WebMentions! He got whitelists working for Wordpress + Vouch. #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012129968325890048)
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Zegnat Worked on his WordPress setup
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Zegnat Got rid of [[Disqus]]
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Zegnat Has successfully received his first webmention from chrisaldrich
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GWG I had whitelists
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GWG I added a whitelist button
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Zegnat aaronpk, goes up to demo, so he isn’t the last person to demo
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty @reading @glitch Nate Angell is showing how he's received his first WebMention from Chris Aldrich! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012130281686487040)
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Zegnat spent a lot of time helping other people on projects
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Zegnat did got a couple of things done
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Zegnat people were filing bugs against his projects all day
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[chrisaldrich] Xolotol++
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Zegnat fixed an issue in indielogin where a questionmark was in the wrong spot
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Zegnat regex++ :P
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Aaron // @aaronpk is demoing / talking about https://indielogin.com And the power of `?:`! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012130592828338176)
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Zegnat webmention.rocks has CORS headers now
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Zegnat So you can test from browsers
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Zegnat Also launched strugee’s HTML on spec.indieweb.org
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Zegnat Just set the DNS record, so it may not even work right now
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Zegnat For the demo, he is bypassing DNS completely
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty @reading @glitch @aaronpk Aaron also added CORS support for https://webmention.rocks #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012130904007946240)
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty @reading @glitch @aaronpk Also Aaron just pushed up http://spec.indideweb.org (but it's not up yet) #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012130906495180805)
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Zegnat What he was really excited about are the new IndieAuth servers: Micro.blog and Unicyclic
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Zegnat unicyclic = Dobrado
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Zegnat Also joined the webring
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Zegnat His user ID is the trademark symbol
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@jackyalcine ↩️ We also got two new IndieAuth servers! https://indieauth.net and Dobrado as well as Known!!! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012131226541535232)
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Zegnat At the very bottom of his website, there is the spiderweb-ring emojis webring
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Zegnat Michelle JL made a plain website
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Zegnat Was playing with gatsby, SSG
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Zegnat Wanted to make an indieweb starting
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Zegnat Right now has the h-card up
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Zegnat Pretty how-to that quickly shows what things can be changed to modify h-cards
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Zegnat Will continue to iterate on post types
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@sdepolo Super fun seeing what progress was made during #indiewebsummit on the live demos session right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10UqoQ9kzdQ. (twitter.com/_/status/1012131700074147840)
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@sdepolo ↩️ Next steps for my #IndieWeb goals: 1. setting up a simplified WordPress post template for quick easy text-only posts 2. finding and configuring the tools I heard about to create new WordPress posts from Instagram posts. (twitter.com/_/status/1012131702011879424)
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Zegnat (Was there a URL for that thing? gRegorLove? schmarty?)
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Zegnat (Also, I need to file a bug, I can’t seem to login to 🕸💍.ws?!?!?!)
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Zegnat hereistomwiththeweather.com
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KartikPrabhu lol nice URL
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Zegnat Added IndieAuth login via Good Reads
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty @reading @glitch @aaronpk Tom Brown set up Goodreads <-> IndieAuth login support! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012132143810666497)
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schmarty looks like demos are complete!
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Zegnat Applause!
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Zegnat Right on time. “Fantastic job everybody”
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Zegnat Thanks aaronpk for organising!!!
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty @reading @glitch @aaronpk Anddddddddddddd that's it! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012132453656481792)
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Zegnat VoiceBox NorthWest. This side of the river. For IWC.
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Thanks for tuning in and/or coming! I'll have a condensed re-cap post soon with alllll of the links, toot/tweet threads and what not. Thanks for joining. #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012132789301514240)
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Zegnat #indieweb-meta will be monitored, if anyone has questions for things around PDX, check in with people there
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Zegnat Tomorrow evening there will be a talk at puppet (Portland future leaders in tech)
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Zegnat Who of us was going to speak there? Was that Michelle JL?
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Zegnat Good bye peeps!!!
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Zegnat heard tantek shout a thank you in the background
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Zegnat I will now go and archive this chatlog to the wiki. Then try and get onto 🕸💍.ws. Then it is time for the European to go to bed :)
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[wiobyrne] Thanks again Zegnat!!!
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Zegnat Been my pleasure :D
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Zegnat I will soon start a crowdfunding for a nice clickykeyboard so I can start to type faster ;)
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@martijnvdven Another year, another (successful!) #IndieWebSummit! A lot of people just demoed the cool things they worked on today, and all of that is ALREADY available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10UqoQ9kzdQ&t=30m25s Video links for everything else can be found on the schedule: https://indieweb.org/2018/Schedule (twitter.com/_/status/1012141944695345153)
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@EddieHinkle One of my tasks today during #IWS18 was to deploy a site for Indigenous’ upcoming release! Check it out here, complete with a help page that I can link to from within the app itself. #IndieWeb https://eddiehinkle.com/tag/iws18/ (twitter.com/_/status/1012142637757943813)
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Zegnat My demo works now!
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[eddie] 👏
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@EddieHinkle One of my tasks today during #IWS18 was to deploy a site for Indigenous’ upcoming release! Check it out here, complete with a help page that I can link to from within the app itself. #IndieWeb https://indigenous.abode.pub/ios/ (twitter.com/_/status/1012144132230385664)
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@pinklilypress Hello Pink Lily fans - we are updating our website - please forgive ❤️ you can reach it here http://pinklilypress.indieweb.com for the time being ..... http://pinklilypress.indieweb.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/1012147594506588161)
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@xolotl Big thanks to @aaronpk @ChrisAldrich @jgmac1106 for getting me to #IndieWebSummit and what the whole community did to make it an awesome gathering! Special thanks to @dshanske for helping me #indieweb http://xolotl.org (twitter.com/_/status/1012150336109215749)
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@jimpick I had fun at IndieWeb Summit in Portland (my 3rd time). The demos were great! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10UqoQ9kzdQ&t=30m25s (twitter.com/_/status/1012155013085327360)
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jimpick Thanks everyone!!!
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@jonathanprozzi Here are the meeting notes from tonight's @HWCBaltimore session: https://jonathanprozzi.net/indieweb/hwc-baltimore-2018-06-25-wrap-up/ Great meetup and discussion! (twitter.com/_/status/1012158300224401408)
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[jgarber] Hat’s off to [cleverdevil] for building the thing I intended to build _using the exact same name_ I had for the thing: https://github.com/cleverdevil/indiepaper
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[jgarber] I even registered the domain! 😂
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Loqi [cleverdevil] indiepaper: A "read later" service for the IndieWeb using Micropub
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[jgarber] …_and_ using Postlight Labs’ Mercury to do the parsing.
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[cleverdevil] Haha awesome! Pull requests welcome :D
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[jgarber] [cleverdevil] I’ll give it a more thorough look tomorrow morning!
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@dori Life goals: finally made it to karaoke with @macgenie, @verso, and some of the #IndieWeb crew. Life is good. (twitter.com/_/status/1012168104393052161)
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raucao in case anyone's still out for a beer after karaoke, let me know. had to leave after demo time, but would meet up again soon-ish
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@strugee2 TIL VoiceBox's interface probably has a cross site scripting vulnerability #iws18 #indieweb https://pump.strugee.net/alex/note/amjLta_sSV-wlwBFhdn6yw (twitter.com/_/status/1012177195488325632)
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@xolotl Coming away from #IndieWebSummit, I've been thinking about what helps newcomers care about taking control of their digital lives. The 1st clear answer is: there is not just one answer. 2nd: I'm still thinking a domain of one's own #DoOO gives people "skin in the game". WDYT? (twitter.com/_/status/1012180772889849857)
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@jackjamieson I had a great time at @IndieWebSummit! Thanks to everyone who worked hard to make it happen. I also just joined https://xn--sr8hvo.ws. Check out my Webring neighbours in my website's sidebar ... https://jackjamieson.net/472-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1012182009341362176)
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ajft excuse me for butting in, "xn--sr8hvo.ws. uses an invalid security certificate."
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@jgmac1106 So glad @schmarty and the crew brought back webrings powered by the #indieweb. Even happier my random user idea is = Also on: INTERTEXTrEVOLUTION Greg McVerry (twitter.com/_/status/1012191259757293568)
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jgmac1106 fixed my 😈 it didn’t go from indigenous to my blog, but still a kickass user id
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@verso Dear #CoreAudio crew, the gauntlet has been thrown down. We need to up our game now that I know what the #IndieWeb crew is capable of. (twitter.com/_/status/1012192614072836096)
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@kickscondor Q for #indieweb - asked on IRC earlier, but still hunting - you know how you send a webmention to http://news.indieweb.org to post there? Are there any other sites that do this for other topics like 'arduino' or 'boardgames'? (twitter.com/_/status/1012192755051663360)
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[snarfed] ajft: fwiw recent chrome on Android says https://xn--sr8hvo.ws 's cert is fine
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[snarfed] amusingly it assigned me hash emoji 🤔
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ajft firefox 61 on osx, complained until I added an exception
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ajft :( i can't sign in, get "Error getting auth url" back, although I suspect there's a greater chance the error is on my website end
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[snarfed] maybe Unicode URL certs are iffy
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strugee raucao: they're still at karaoke!
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[jgmac1106] [snarfed] we need to make a wiki page for folks to list their IndieWebRing user ID like we do with IRC people.
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KartikPrabhu what is indiewebring?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indiewebring" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "indiewebring is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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KartikPrabhu [jgmac1106]: ^
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KartikPrabhu maybe start by stubbing that
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[jgmac1106] So wanna be a little snarky in the stub in webring style
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[jgmac1106] Also need guidance on style guide from community. Is it #IndieWebRing or simply 🕸
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KartikPrabhu [jgmac1106]: I would suggest use the words and then redirect the emoji to it
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[jgmac1106] indiewebring is the great rebirth of of webrings powered by #IndieWeb technology that made 2018 the year of the webring and not the year of the MicroSub reader. Webrings allow ringmasters to create a network of blogs around a shared goal where readers can choose the next, previous, and random blog in the ring.
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KartikPrabhu [jgmac1106]: a bit too late
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KartikPrabhu what is indiewebring
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indiewebring" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "indiewebring is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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KartikPrabhu try again
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[jgmac1106] indiewebring is the great rebirth of of webrings powered by #IndieWeb technology that made 2018 the year of the webring and not the year of the MicroSub reader. Webrings allow ringmasters to create a network of blogs around a shared goal where readers can choose the next, previous, and random blog in the ring.
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Loqi ok
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KartikPrabhu [jgmac1106]: while you are at it, would be nice to add a link to the session notes from IWS
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[jgmac1106] So my spelling mistakes and now going wheels up from #pdx will give stub proper treatment when I land (meaning background images, inline styling, and gifs everywhere.
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strugee well I'm a bit late but I just want to say
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strugee Zegnat++ for a) being the hero we need but not the one we deserve and b) for capturing "I can't use cords" lmaooo
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strugee note
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strugee what is webring
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Loqi A webring is a collection of websites linked together in a circular structure https://indieweb.org/webring
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strugee we have that too
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strugee [jgmac1106]: http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/5996 some inspiration for you
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[jgmac1106] Didn't realize we had the stub already,but seriously it is so cool to have an #IndieWeb solution to free webrings from acquisition
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strugee haha ikr
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strugee also the page linked to from that quote is making me wonder deep questions
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strugee such as, for example, I wonder if it would be possible to make a <blink> polyfill entirely in CSS?
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@mrkrndvs Is there a setting to display post kind info within a feed / feed reader? (https://collect.readwriterespond.com/post-kind-in-the-feed/) #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1012228148245815296)
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@jemostrom new attempt at setting up a indieweb site (twitter.com/_/status/1012249768410697728)
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schmarty What a wonderful few days of indieweb fun. So grateful to be able to interact with you all.
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schmarty fwiw I would like to drop the “master” name from indieweb webring stewardship, gardening, management, etc. so far “ringbearer” hits me the best
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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[jgmac1106] Morning @zegnat
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[jgmac1106] You were absolutely amazing during summit. Thanks for all the wiki gardening and remote help
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Zegnat No problem! I had an amazing event, even if not in the building
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Zegnat Next year goals: second monitor and better keyboard 😉
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[jgmac1106] Nope. Next year's goal is on site for you
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[jgmac1106] Though me thinks having a designated remote leader like you was amazing
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Zegnat What I did now cannot be gotten done on site. Too much socialising going on.
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GWG Morning
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Loqi rise and shine!
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Zegnat It will just make the notes faster, more true to real time, but the magically updated schedule grid would be harder to facilitate
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Zegnat Good morning GWG!
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GWG Did you enjoy the Summit?
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Zegnat For sure! And thank you for the hangouts setup in the blue Room! Hung out there most of yesterday
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Zegnat Was also impressed you finished some preliminary vouch work already!
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Zegnat GWG++
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[jgmac1106] @zegnat you were an awesome model for blue room participants. We took three people from web zero to web hero yesterday
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[jgmac1106] .... Nobody was at web zero but I can't resist a rhyme, but three new blogs now connected to IndieWeb
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GWG I am glad that the setup worked
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[jgmac1106] Kinda by accident blue room was for supporting people in onboarding
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Zegnat At my first IWC I walked someone through setting up the GitHub client and atom code editor so they could play with HTML. Onboarding is a great part of the events!
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Zegnat I am sad I seem to have missed out one of the discussions about my h-card and gender page by going to the kitchen... Someone will have to catch me up on it at some point. 😉
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[jgmac1106] We used it as a positive example of the quantified self and as example of properties embedded into hcard
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@jgmac1106 About to go wheels up to Hartford, what a great #IndieWebSummit excited for upcoming HWC. Going to make it to Baltimore soon. Busy planning for #IndieWebCamp NYC. Stay tuned. Also on: INTERTEXTrEVOLUTION Greg McVerry (twitter.com/_/status/1012289622678831104)
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@e8johan ↩️ @shaddack No idea ;-) Perhaps @jeena knows. He likes #indieweb and stuff. (twitter.com/_/status/1012297030411145216)
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@jackyalcine Soft publishing https://jacky.wtf/weblog/indieweb-summit-2018/ - a recap of the events, tools and projects announced and hacked on for the #IndieWeb at #iws2018 (twitter.com/_/status/1012301327873998848)
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jgmac1106 @mrkndvs read your itches. Are you using Indigenous yet?
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@sl007 ↩️ @F_Kaltheuner @facebook @Google @Microsoft ^ https://www.forbrukerradet.no/undersokelse/no-undersokelsekategori/deceived-by-design #indieweb @m_ott @HeNeArXn @martijnvdven @sebastiangreger (twitter.com/_/status/1012308374527119361)
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Zegnat Next event: Homebrew Website Club Meetup https://indieweb.org/next-hwc, Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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Zegnat strugee: I just added a CSS snippet for blink-tag-emulation to a page. I blame you.
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[wiobyrne] Good morning IndieWeb.
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[wiobyrne] Thank you for all of the inspiration over the last couple of days from the Summit.
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[jgmac1106] It was pretty cool. <hint> Take inspiration and launch HWC-Charleston</hint>
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[wiobyrne] I would definitely hold an IndieWeb Charleston.
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[jgmac1106] And the relaunch of webrings makes the kiddie network we were discussing closer
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[jgmac1106] Start with an HWC, you basically already do them, but if you want to go all in and try to organize an IWC it would be awesome
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[jgmac1106] I would try to fly down and make it
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[wiobyrne] There are some startup groups and WordPress communities that meet down here. After the coding clubs dried up, there's been less of a focus.
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[jgmac1106] Sounds like a perfect opportunity. Been doing the vHWC during summer but once semester starts they will be on the ground. May have a cool IWC announcement very soon..... Teaser
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[wiobyrne] I currently lead a group of students through website/portfolio development each summer. I'll soon be the only "tech person" in my dept. I've been thinking about identifying a spot in the week to hold "open office hours" and offering a HWC downtown.
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[jgmac1106] That would be awesome. Ping me in our co-op channel and fill me in on the department
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[anomalily] Hey all! I found a blue hydroflask water bottle at the IW summit venue last night. Speak now or forever hold your peace
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[jgmac1106] If you put Pinot Noir in it does it become a vinoflask?
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gRegor-mobile ...and temporarily be thirsty.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "I Went to The IndieWeb Summit 2018! Getting to put name to face and ask immediate questions about tooling is invaluable. I attended my first IndieWeb Summit in Portland this ..." https://jacky.wtf/weblog/indieweb-summit-2018/
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[kim_landwehr] What are syndication targets?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "syndication targets" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "syndication targets is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat syndication targets are (in the context of [[Micropub]] places you want a post to be [[syndicated]] to.
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat Is that enough of an answer, [kim_landwehr]? Or did you have a specific question?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "I attended IndieWeb Summit 2018" http://fogknife.com/2018-06-28-i-attended-indieweb-summit-2018.html
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@JmacDotOrg Wrote up my notes, thoughts, and personal homework assignments from the IndieWeb Summit. http://fogknife.com/2018-06-28-i-attended-indieweb-summit-2018.html (twitter.com/_/status/1012374594110418944)
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donpdonp finally got 2018.indieweb.org rsvp section to accept my author/h-card. zomg.
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aaronpk \o/
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donpdonp aj jordon has no photo because the webpage has no photo. so thats fine.
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donpdonp ryan johnson has a .svg photo so i guess thats understandable to have a placeholder
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@t The 8th annual @IndieWebSummit wrapped up yesterday and simply put, I was blown away by the sessions everyone organized and especially by the incredible things everyone made & demonstrated. Notes & videos: https://indieweb.org/2018/Schedule#Tuesday Photos coming ... http://tantek.com/t4vA1 (twitter.com/_/status/1012377261910233089)
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donpdonp bkero needs an author section
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[kim_landwehr] When I go into quill I keep getting the message “no syndication targets were found on your site. I don’t know what I need to do to fix this (or if I even need to)
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Zegnat Quill asks your Micropub endpoint for possible targets, and you probably do not have any.
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Zegnat This way it could show you options for “copy to Twitter” etc, if your server supports it
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chrisaldrich Good morning indieweb
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[manton] @jmac Nice write-up about IndieWeb Summit! I wanted to comment on your question about Micro.blog being "yet another" silo. The point is to get people to post short posts to their own domain name. Aren't you currently posting those to Twitter instead? So moving from Twitter to anything else that's IndieWeb-friendly is a big step forward, in my opinion.
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GWG Good morning all
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GWG [manton] Reminding you about the thing
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donpdonp anomalily's rsvp has an author name and url but the rsvp section doesnt show it. not sure why.
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[jgmac1106] Almost everyone I have ever come into contact comes to their own domain from a shared platform. Most folks here are probably no different, live journal, geocities, MySpace, for me my first blogging platform was just my schools website and updating individual files. Then blogger
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aaronpk donpdonp: anomalily's post when she RSVP'd didn't have the author info, but it looks like there was some progress yesterday on getting that sorted out. except now the post lost the in-reply-to
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[jgmac1106] I think stuff like micro.blog is essential to the ecosystem. Its about does it have ethical values that align to IndieWeb for me, allowing syndication, portability, etc
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Zegnat donpdonp: my RSVP didn’t get accepted at all
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Zegnat Though that was just me being an edge case again
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sknebel Zegnat: two edge cases, wasn't it?
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chrisaldrich manton++ for that ^^ huge semantic difference
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Zegnat If it got accepted in the first place, then we would have known if the authorship was a problem or not, sknebel. Only 1 edge case kept it from being accepted. But I am fine with that.
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aaronpk [jgmac1106]: micro.blog is kind of confusing in that way at first, because it's doing two separate things.
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aaronpk on one hand it's a blog hosting platform, where you can either use a custom domain or they can provide a micro.blog subdomain
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aaronpk on the other hand, it's a social network that lets you read content from other micro.blog users aggregated together
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[jgmac1106] And wordpress.com tries to do the same thing, and it confuses my students as well
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[manton] Yep. This is really something we need to do a better job of explaining. Both to people already familiar with the IndieWeb but also to new people who are just starting to blog.
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[jgmac1106] I think it is pretty cool to see a paid community model succeed.
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[jgmac1106] I love that I get to syndicate to micro.blog as well because...RSS
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[manton] Thanks!
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GWG I wouldn't mind POSSE to micro.blog
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[jgmac1106] / feed and you are done @gwg
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GWG I like a checkbox, but I could simulate that
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donpdonp aaronpk: anomalily.net:255 <article class="hentry
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[chrisaldrich] Also just to make sure everyone is clear [jgmac1106] and jmac are two completely separate people
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donpdonp Zegnat: whats your rsvp url
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Zegnat https://grapefruit.zegnat.net/2018/05.html#dt201805022006Z
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Loqi I will, once again, be switching my sleeping schedule from CEST to PDT to remotely attend the IndieWeb Summit. Will I see you there?
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aaronpk GWG: you already can do that! Make a wordpress category, then add that category's RSS feed to micro.blog
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jmac [manton]: Oh, I didn't mean to imply that micro.blog is yet another silo! I'll see if I can reword that
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GWG I know, but I never use categories
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donpdonp Zegnat: rsvp: "remote yes"
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jmac I meant more that I'm not interested in using it that way (which I know that a lot of people are specifically into it as a not-twitter)
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Zegnat Yes
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donpdonp Zegnat: i think it has to be just "yes"
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Zegnat Yes
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Zegnat Except, I RSVPd like that last year too
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Zegnat And there is a discussion about speccing "remote" as a thing
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GWG It's not a problem I expect to need solved
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Zegnat So I use it, so there is actually something in use to spec
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donpdonp Zegnat: 2018.indeweb.org webmention.php:81:if(strtolower($source['rsvp']) == 'yes') {
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sknebel donpdonp: we know
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aaronpk i'm gonna have to add a "remote attendee" section to the page aren't I
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donpdonp i thought zegnat was trying to figure out why his rsvp was not accepted
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sknebel aaronpk: yes
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donpdonp aaronpk: did you see the typo i posted ^
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aaronpk donpdonp: that's not a typo, that's wordpress adding microformats1 :)
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aaronpk it's... complicated
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[manton] @jmac No need to re-word it. I don't think what you said is wrong, just that if you're using Twitter instead of your own domain name for short posts, then Micro.blog is (I think) much better. I don't think about it as moving to a silo (although there are silo-like things about it, especially with replies) but encouraging people to move to their own domain name.
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jmac I appreciate the suggestion for a next step!
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donpdonp so in both cases, zegnat and anomalilly, the cause is known, just unaddressable.
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donpdonp lets the wild goose go free
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Zegnat donpdonp, if you are interested in the RSVP discussion: https://indieweb.org/rsvp#Remote_Participation
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donpdonp Zegnat: im not :). i misunderstood 'my RSVP didn’t get accepted at all' as a problem to investigate instead of 'im using an implemented feature' :)
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[jgmac1106] @jmac speaks to governance model as well it was a great session you did.
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donpdonp if the remote streams were their own event, rsvp'ing to that with yes seems reasonable.
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jmac [jgmac1106]: I'm not sure what session you mean - are you confusing me with [jgmac1106]?
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jmac (Actually I should update my entry to note that [jgmac1106] and I agreed that our usernames are not at all mutually confusing and everyone else is wrong about this)
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[jgmac1106] Yep. Had a long conversation with Ben about it.
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[jgmac1106] I came home and tree fell and caused house fire down street. No internet, so can't really engage well
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snarfed !!!
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@tomwiththeweath Indieweb Summit 2018 Thoughts http://herestomwiththeweather.com/2018/06/28/indieweb-summit-2018-thoughts/ (twitter.com/_/status/1012385237467164672)
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[chrisaldrich] GWG has already built himself a better solution, with post kinds he can add the individual feed kinds to syndicate to micro.blog. Thus kind/note/feed/ for example will syndicate all of his notes. Syndicating via categories or tags if others use them is certainly another way to do it.
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[chrisaldrich] [nate658] I saw a note in the #chat channel and not sure you got an answer. If you'd like a wiki template so you show up in the IRC chat with your avatar, you can copy/paste mine and change the relevant parts: https://indieweb.org/Template:chrisaldrich
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[nate658] Thank you [chrisaldrich]!
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donpdonp aaronpk: these 4 lines of php have been very handy in using a checkout of xray. it might make a good addition to the repo. https://gist.github.com/donpdonp/e0b9e36b811f95c6607008dde9d00caa
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aaronpk good call, I usually have an example usage file or put that kind of thing in the readme
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[wiobyrne] Thanks as well [chrisaldrich] I was also looking at my profile page, and adding an image/avatar.
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aaronpk feel free to send a PR with that!
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[wiobyrne] I realized that I didn't' list myself on the IRC People page.
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[chrisaldrich] jmac, I may have used the phrase "built another silo" at the Summit myself in reference to gRegorLove's micropub client, but it was said with a lot of love and a gallon of snark. 😉
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@aaronpk So nice to be able to look back through #indiewebsummit posts in my own reader that's been collecting them over the last few days! (twitter.com/_/status/1012388372864593920)
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chrisaldrich !tell jalcine Did you mean to have the word "not" in your first paragraph in relation to updating your website or did autocorrect change it from "absolutely"? ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@aaronpk Thanks so much to everyone who participated in #IndieWebSummit this year, both in person and remotely! It was really inspiring to see so many people who care about owning their online presence together! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012391786130489345)
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[tantek] Chris Aldrich is it really a silo if it doesn’t store any information?
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@aaronpk ↩️ ...and a huge thanks to all our sponsors who made it possible to put on this amazing event! #indieweb @oktadev @namedotcom @godaddy @stumpsyn @stumpsyn @bridgy (twitter.com/_/status/1012392362079735809)
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Zegnat the indiebookclub micropub client does store information, it creates a feed of your read posts for you, [tantek]
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Zegnat Example: https://indiebookclub.biz/users/sink.zegnat.net
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[chrisaldrich] teacup, micro.blog, and indiebookclub.biz are storing information though, in the eventuality that people may go more indie at a later date and want to export it to their own site (or another host/site).
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[chrisaldrich] Perhaps worth documenting....
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[chrisaldrich] What is IndieSilo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieSilo" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IndieSilo is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] aaronpk and Mozilla ;)
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[chrisaldrich] An IndieSilo is a website (typically a web based [[micropub]] client) that stores data on behalf of people who may not have their own website yet, but who may want to be able to store it now and import it to their site at a later date.
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Loqi ok
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@aaronpk ↩️ ...and a huge thanks to all our sponsors who made it possible to put on this amazing event! #indieweb @oktadev @namedotcom @godaddy @stumpsyn @mozilla @bridgy (twitter.com/_/status/1012400371816267776)
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[wiobyrne] Does anyone have ideas about an open source version of Google Docs (or fully functioning etherpad) solution that I could use for writing/editing/revising? I've mentioned in the past my desire to fully put my writing process online, and "own" it all. For now, most/all writing begins/ends in a Google Doc. If possible...I'd like to change that, but I need better options.
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snarfed [wiobyrne]: wordpress?
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KartikPrabhu do micropub editors support "drafts"?
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sknebel what is draft?
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Loqi A draft in the context of the indieweb refers to a draft post, a post that an author has partially written, or otherwise does not consider finished https://indieweb.org/draft
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sknebel quill doe
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sknebel s
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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KartikPrabhu so [wiobyrne] you can look into the Quill editor
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KartikPrabhu what is quill?
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Loqi Quill is a simple app for posting text notes to your website using Micropub https://indieweb.org/Quill
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[wiobyrne] Thanks snarfed. My typical writing process for a "traditional pub" involves heavy use of Google Docs. I can invite colleagues to write, I can share it out with others to allow them to easily leave feedback. My issue is that I'm all on the Google silo.
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snarfed [wiobyrne]: yes! all doable with wordpress too. collaboration, revision tracking, shared private drafts, etc
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snarfed (quill is more for one shot posting, probably not what you want)
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[wiobyrne] Hmmm...so you think I could start up a collaborative post, share with a colleague, send it out for review openly online...and export when needed later?
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snarfed yup!
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: but quill does drafts. No collaborative writing though I guess
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[wiobyrne] Mind blown. I need to investigate more.
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: can quill load an existing draft?
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: I think so using "edit" micropub
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: ^^
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snarfed ok!
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snarfed [wiobyrne]: afaik wordpress doesn't do realtime collab like gdocs, which is maybe the key difference. maybe gutenberg (new editor) does? probably not though
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[wiobyrne] As an example, I was thinking of a tool like Draft (https://draftin.com/) or perhaps a common writing spot in GitHub.
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snarfed sounds like you want a real writing tool though, not github
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[wiobyrne] When I was doing stuff with Mozilla they tried to usher us into GitHub or EtherPad for writing & collaborating.
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[wiobyrne] snarfed yeap.
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KartikPrabhu editorially was nice but it shutdown :(
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KartikPrabhu what is editorially?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "editorially" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "editorially is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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[wiobyrne] As an example, I'm writing a book on open pedagogy with [jgmac1106] and we have a Google Drive folder with tons of gDocs for chapters. We'll use versions with this. Ultimately, it'll get sent to the publisher and we can send out "books" using a number of tools. But, I'm wondering if there is a better way to write than Google Docs right now.
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snarfed better, maybe. better *and* open source, doubtful.
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[wiobyrne] Draft.in might be a good option. I need to spend more time looking at where/how it syncs and is saved.
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strugee Zegnat: INCREDIBLE
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strugee link?
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[wiobyrne] Draft is https://draftin.com/
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[wiobyrne] I was also thinking about some markdown editors that can sync across spaces. But, then I'm (possibly) eliminating the ability to collaborate and share...which is important for my workflow.
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Zegnat strugee: you'll need to archive a page at https://wiki.zegnat.net/cache/ it blinks the ellipsis when archiving on the busy page
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snarfed ok this from draft is pretty great: http://docs.withdraft.com/#hemingway-mode
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strugee Zegnat: niceeee
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KartikPrabhu ooo it also has a REST API
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[wiobyrne] Absolutely. I think Draft is almost there. The versioning and "real time" edits are a bit different, and not as intuitive as gDocs. But, perhaps it'll make you focus on your writing as opposed to where people's cursors are flying.
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Zegnat Really simple to toggle visibility with key frames. Not sure I feel good about it though, strugee 😉
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strugee Zegnat: just own it 👍👍
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[wiobyrne] You can sync to different cloud services and publish anywhere. Draft uses webhooks - https://draftin.com/documents/69898?token=5fjKKlZ0-AeBzqj_RAftAGdzRzl9VBfBHj5wpSWm_gU
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strugee I'm proud of you
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strugee :P
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[jgmac1106] As a Twitter archive (I looked at example) it is amazing. How did you finish and act as the wiki governor all summit!
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[jgmac1106] Zegnat++
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Zegnat My web archiver you mean, jgmac1106? Yes it did pretty well with Twitter!
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Zegnat I worked on it mostly on Monday and Wednesday. Tuesday was wiki and summit only
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[jgmac1106] Ian we could just do https://etherpad.indieweb.org/OpenPed-ch1...
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[jgmac1106] @zegnat going play once I get internet back
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Zegnat Break it and let me know when it breaks 😉
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[jgmac1106] And eventually it will have micropub? Is it going to archive.org? Don't want to tax it if you are piggybacking on any free tier of storage
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Zegnat I am paying for the storage. It is not going to archive.org, though I am considering pinging the internet archive from the tool. To have another backup
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Zegnat Archiver is running on my VPS. Should be able to take a few more backups.
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Zegnat I will also prune it at some point, not guaranteeing any permanence for the moment! Though you can just save the archived pages to your disk if you want to keep them.
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dougbeal|mb1 What is aperture
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Loqi Aperture is an open source Microsub server developed by Aaron Parecki https://indieweb.org/Aperture
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[jgmac1106] [wiobyrne] [nate658] showed [chrisaldrich] and I some cool options. But its just you and I editing, books going in the Public Domain or CC-BY_SA have to check with publisher. Part of the reason we chose gDocs was being accessible. It ain't Open to our audience if it is only on GitHub
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[jgmac1106] but it won't be just
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[jgmac1106] pdf--
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[jgmac1106] The Zotero Pub plugin, looked cool but an Open Pedagogy booked published on indieweb.org and then syndicated to our blogs the to print might be a neat story in itself. Will have to ask and it means writing in wiki markup but that is easy, would mean a Public Domain license 100%. Need to read the publishers terms, but I think it is fine. I'll ask around. I have an empty mediawiki install just laying around somewhere as well
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[jgmac1106] ....ohhh crap my wikispaces
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snarfed [jgmac1106]: you can make a google doc publicly viewable
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[jgmac1106] please let the deadline be July
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snarfed oh nm i misunderstood accessible
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[jgmac1106] Anybody can Etherpad:
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[jgmac1106] july 31st on wikispaces [wiobyrne] you probably have some we need to move
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[wiobyrne] My next Indieweb project is to better display my "traditional" pubs on my website. Mostly all PDFs, but I'd like to see an interface on my site that links to pages with the PDF, the Google Doc (writing space), data (images, video, text, etc.), and possibly text from reviewer comments. All of this would also display mentions from online.
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[wiobyrne] The first step, for me, is revisiting the writing piece/tools. I was digging Hackpad before Dropbox bought them. Etherpad may be too clunky for this. May stick to Google Docs for now.
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[wiobyrne] https://github.com/dropbox/hackpad
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Loqi [dropbox] hackpad: Hackpad is a web-based realtime wiki.
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[wiobyrne] For the publishing of these pubs, I've been exploring Scalar, but don't know if it's overkill - https://scalar.me/anvc/scalar/
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[nate658] [wiobyrne] I think it’s hard to beat gdocs for collaborative draft editing, but for online book publication in WordPress, I’d recommend https://pressbooks.org
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Loqi Welcome to the home of the Pressbooks Open Source project. Pressbooks is a book content management system that exports in multiple formats: ebooks, webbooks, print-ready PDF, and various XML flavours. The system is built on top of WordPress Multisite...
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KartikPrabhu there is also Pollen http://docs.racket-lang.org/pollen/
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dougbeal jgmac1106: I logged into wordpress, what do I do now for your webring?
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[wiobyrne] Thanks [nate658] and @KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu [wiobyrne]: to be clear, to me Pollen looks like a really fancy way of writing HTML, so it is up to your tastes
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[jgmac1106] I manually added you, talking to the developer now, gonna show him indiewebring and indieweb in general
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[wiobyrne] The reason I was asking about GitHub earlier is I like how GitBooks were used in the World After Capital book - https://legacy.gitbook.com/book/worldaftercapital/worldaftercapital/details
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[jgmac1106] I may just ask if he is open to contributions and copy what [schmarty] does
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[wiobyrne] But, at this point we need to keep it simple and get the book finished. 🙂
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[jgmac1106] yes content is king
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[wiobyrne] Will most likely continue to use Google Docs, share from our sites, and give opportunities to use PressBooks or other tools to make their own texts.
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dougbeal schmarty: pretty up the webring navigator on my site, and added an anchor to show it off: https://dougbeal.com/#webrings
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KartikPrabhu [wiobyrne]: yes, "don't make perfect the enemy of the good" use whatever helps you finish the task
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KartikPrabhu I'd really like to write HTML instead of LaTeX but oh well!
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[wiobyrne] Absolutely. Get it done first. 🙂
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@gRegorLove Back in San Diego after another great #IndieWebSummit. Reflecting on some personal goals for the next year and ideas to expand the indieweb community. (twitter.com/_/status/1012440443466997763)
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@wiobyrne ↩️ Hey, thanks for the response. I'd like to bookmark a site, then read/annotate later in browser using @hypothes_is. Then share as bookmark post on my #indieweb site with interesting pull quotes from piece for future reference. I'd like to "properly" display these from annotations. (twitter.com/_/status/1012441608606965762)
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schmarty dougbeal: looks nice!!
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[tantek] Schmarty, aaronpk says if we go to ground kontrol later then he can join us. Like 7pm? Dinner beforehand?
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[tantek] Oops I meant to post that in meta
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@HongPong ↩️ @drewtoothpaste http://Indieweb.org #indieweb there are tools... We can rebuild it (twitter.com/_/status/1012449308656963587)
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