#indieweb 2018-06-27

2018-06-27 UTC
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Zegnat (For people who are interested in diversity [maybe?], LGBTQ identity, or just lots of personal details in microformats: https://vanderven.se/martijn/gender/ ( [anomalily] might like this. ))
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jgmac1106 [zegnat] Here is a D&D webring: http://www.dndadventure.com/
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Loqi Masks of Destiny - An Original Campaign Play the story… or read it for fun! Learn More The Perfect D&D Meme! I think this holds true for most D&D pl...
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@ChrisAldrich #IndieWeb @aaronpk: Alright, let's get started! (twitter.com/_/status/1011762621639323648)
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Zegnat GWG, aaronpk: note that IndieAuth is a “semi requirement”. The actual requirement is to have a token that is accepted by your server and can be send by your client. So you can even just bootstrap with hardcoded tokens, completely without IndieAuth flow.
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Zegnat (This was a reply to Green Room, which sadly doesn’t do Hangouts.)
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aaronpk thx Zegnat! good point
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Zegnat *cough*token provider: https://wiki.zegnat.net/media/token-provider.php *cough*
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Zegnat That lets you past in any token, it then fakes the IndieAuth flow ;)
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Zegnat *paste
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Zegnat I give no guarantees though. But that is super bootstrapping.
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Zegnat ^^^ is a note for the person who was talking about working on Microsub.
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Zegnat (GWG, pass that along maybe? I wish I could read name tags on stream)
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GWG Several. was Mblaney
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Zegnat Should probably work for Microsub, even though it only talks about micropub
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Zegnat Cool! ping mblaney, see above. Might be something. Or just work on IndieAuth of course! LD
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @aaronpk Going to see if this involves concepts like posts and what not. #IndieWeb #iws2018 (twitter.com/_/status/1011764897586216960)
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@xolotl Plurk mentioned today at #indieweb summit in Portland Oregon USA. HI @t ! https://plurk.com/p/mtvmr7 (twitter.com/_/status/1011765103904075778)
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[eddie] GWG Can you share that I agree? Notifications can totally be optional
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@jackyalcine ↩️ One thing we don't see a lot of in the IndieWeb landscape are private posts - something only a privileged few can see. #IndieWeb #iws2018 (twitter.com/_/status/1011766190249738241)
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@anomalily ↩️ I’m thinking two things could make this an extra cool IRL event: we have a pro take headshots to use on sites for those that don’t have them already; and then print glitter calling cards with new website address at end of day. (twitter.com/_/status/1011766199963676672)
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Zegnat selfauth has checkboxes
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Zegnat So everyone using selfauth has checkboxes for scopes aaronpk, GWG
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Zegnat checkboxes for scopes in an open-source IndieAuth out in the wild: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/490579/29227958-3d9b5fdc-7ed8-11e7-87df-59d184958057.png
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Zegnat GWG, aaronpk ^^^
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aaronpk Zegnat++
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Zegnat Super interesting discussions again! :D
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Zegnat Sessions are coming to an end, time to move to the main room again for the remotes!
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Zegnat Main room live stream is available at https://www.youtube.com/c/Indiewebcamp/live
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @aaronpk And now it's time for closing sessions! #IndieWeb #iws2018 (twitter.com/_/status/1011770038049796096)
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Zegnat “It is nice outside.” I disagree. Though sunrise might be nice in a bit!
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Zegnat This mic is crazy. I can hear the discussion jgmac1106 and chris are having while jean is talking about the micro.blog meetup
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @aaronpk We got @donutjs meeting up tonight! All attendees of @donutjs can come to @indiewebcamp summit tomorrow tooooo! #IndieWeb #iws2018 (twitter.com/_/status/1011771366415175680)
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Zegnat If anyone is wanting to add microformats to their website during day 2: I will gladly assist walking through mf2 basics! Spread the word :D
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Zegnat Uuuh
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Zegnat I could help with themes. Maybe.
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Zegnat will be happy to run microformats debugging on [anomalily]’s website. Microformats I definitely know about.
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Zegnat !tell jgmac1106,chrisaldrich if people have mf2 problems (even in WP themes), I am totally game for lending my mf2 knowledge to the cause!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@martijnvdven The #IndieWebSummit is winding down now, people moving on for their evenings. But we will be back tomorrow. Same time (approximately). Same streams (probably). Same me telling you where to look! #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1011773229587935232)
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Zegnat And the stream is gone.
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Zegnat Right now: IndieWeb Summit 2018 in Portland!!! Will be back live streaming tomorrow (PDT time)! Summit info: https://indieweb.org/2018. Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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@xolotl From #indieweb to @donutjs: looking forward to hearing @daniellecrobins! #openscience #openweb (twitter.com/_/status/1011780956816986112)
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@jackyalcine Out here for @donutjs! Thanks #IndieWeb Summit (@ Alchemy Code Lab - @codefellowspdx in Portland, OR) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/4DAI9dM12Bg (twitter.com/_/status/1011785257484419072)
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j12t What's the name of the brewery again for tonight? Was it Von Ebert Brewing on 13th Ave, or did I get that wrong?
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Zegnat Not seeing it on the schedule, so I don’t know, I’m afraid
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@jgmac1106 Hanging at the http://micro.blog meet up at the #IndieWeb Summit. #pdx (http://jgregorymcverry.com/3853-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1011792940648353794)
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@jgmac1106 I just added a blog to my webring from my phone. Us at the #IndieWeb http://micro.blog meet up are wondering if this is the first webring updated from a phone. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/3855-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1011796666939334660)
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@strugee2 I'm at @donutjs and we all just belted out a minute of karaoke and this is easily the best tech meetup I've ever gone to #IndieWebSummit https://pump.strugee.net/alex/note/V4g4-YBvSYGiIjskDzAX2Q (twitter.com/_/status/1011797370411991041)
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[aaronpk] j12t yes it's Von Ebert! Still a large crowd here!
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@JmacDotOrg ↩️ My talk-pitch about IndieWeb + nonprofits was accepted. Moments after it started I ceded control of it to people far smarter (and less jet-lagged) than me, with very different ideas than mine, but which are also not the status quo. Everyone left energized for change. So… good? (twitter.com/_/status/1011816606333202434)
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snarfed filled in indie algorithm session notes on https://indieweb.org/2018/indiealgorithm !
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schmarty snarfed++
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@jackyalcine I held a session today about libraries that can help us build more #IndieWeb friendly sites! https://indieweb.org/2018/indielib Check out https://indieweb.org/2018/Schedule#Tuesday for more about what we discussed today #iws2018 (twitter.com/_/status/1011859755374170112)
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[Vanessa] Reading the notes from the changetheratio session - really good stuff.
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petermolnar good morning all
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@ton_zylstra ↩️ beyond private posts, I'd like to cater to different circles of social distance. groups layered like an onion. See 2nd to last bullet at https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2018/06/spending-a-morning-on-the-indie-web/ #IndieWeb #iws2018 (twitter.com/_/status/1011874640350728192)
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Zegnat Vanessa, the diversity session should also be up on YouTube if you want to hear the discussion. I'll be adding links for the different VODs shortly
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Zegnat Also good morning everyone
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Zegnat (By shortly I mean once I reach the remote-IWS-control-centre)
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[Vanessa] Thanks. There's a few I would quite like to watch.
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Zegnat They should already be up in the IndieWebCamp YouTube account I'd you can't wait for me to sort through it 😉
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Zegnat What is YouTube?
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Loqi YouTube is a video hosting silo that has known issues https://indieweb.org/youtube
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Zegnat https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCco4TTt7ikz9xnB35HrD5gQ the channel
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Zegnat Alright, back at the battlestation :D
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Zegnat ping [Vanessa]: I still have to do the Blue Room sessions, but the Main Room sessions all have VOD links on the schedule page https://indieweb.org/2018/Schedule#Tuesday
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[jgmac1106] https://twitter.com/Fjellner/status/1011640784515420161?s=19
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@Fjellner I just signed a demand to vote the entire #copyright-directive in #EPlenary and not go directly to trilogues. We need to stop bad internet regulations and change the JURI decision. Feeling more confident we will have a majority against the mandate. #Article11 #Article13 (twitter.com/_/status/1011640784515420161)
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Loqi [jgmac1106]: Zegnat left you a message 10 hours, 56 minutes ago: if people have mf2 problems (even in WP themes), I am totally game for lending my mf2 knowledge to the cause!
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Zegnat Also, good morning [jgmac1106]! Early one again!
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[jgmac1106] Yep, time to get #IndieWeb cranking... But have to get my grades done so had to get up super early today
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Zegnat Ah, gotcha
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Zegnat I heard you an [anomalily] talk in the closing session about fixing microformats, that’s what my tell above was about. If someone can facilitate a Google Hangouts or Mumble or whatever connection, I would love to answer any microformats2 questions :) Just so you know
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Zegnat Announcement: Every single thing on yesterday’s schedule that was broadcasted to the interweb now has a link to immediately watch it video-on-demand style! https://indieweb.org/2018/Schedule#Tuesday :D
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@martijnvdven I know it is still very early for our #IndieWeb friends in #PDX, but for the rest of us: video-on-demand style links are available for every #IndieWebSummit stream from yesterday! Just click the play icons on the schedule: https://indieweb.org/2018/Schedule#Tuesday (twitter.com/_/status/1011947124702007296)
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[Vanessa] I've just made good use of my lunch break to watch the diversity session - excellent stuff. Also passed on some links to people interested in other sessions. Trying to do my bit. 😇 And with that, back to tracking down suspense account entries. Think I need a new job.
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Hey #IndieWeb it looks like webrings still going strong in the OtherKin community: http://www.house-eclipse.org/wordpress/webrings/ This is the only webring I found still operating in the wild. Pretty cool. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/3857-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1011959242377527296)
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Zegnat Wasn’t there some sort of plaintext->flowchart language/converter? Reminiscent of Markdown? Anyone know what I am talking about?
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petermolnar I know what you're talking about
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petermolnar looking
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petermolnar https://github.com/knsv/mermaid
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Loqi [knsv] mermaid: Generation of diagram and flowchart from text in a similar manner as markdown
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Zegnat Thanks I'll give that a go!
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jgmac1106 FYI Slack is down right now
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Zegnat Slack itself, or the IRC bridge?
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calumryan Slack
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calumryan https://status.slack.com/2018-06/142edcb9e52c7663
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@jgmac1106 @jarandhel I am at the #IndieWeb summit and a group of us are hacking on solutions to bring webrings back. Came across your WordPress example and the Straight Tracks (only working Webring in wild I found). Would love to ask you a few questions if you are… http://jgregorymcverry.com/3861-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1011970730983133186)
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jgmac1106 Added a new, very old addition, to the homepage: https://jgregorymcverry.com/
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ben_thatmustbeme twitter is always hillarious when slack goes down
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jgmac1106 [ben_thatmustbeme] lot of discussion last night if benthatmustbe.us qualifies as a webring. We decided technically close but needs a next Ben, and Previous Ben button, and then a method for other Ben’s to join
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ben_thatmustbeme hah, true
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Could just stop by the summit remotely today and hop into IRC. Gonna have some really fun projects going today. Stoked @schmarty @anomalily and @murderofcrows leading up the charge to build an #IndieWeb webring throwback. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/3868-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1011979980379697152)
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@benwerd ↩️ Unfortunately I’m helping to teach a bootcamp all week, which is why I’m not at the #indiewebsummit. Can’t check in remotely. But I hope all is going well, and I’ll be there next time. (twitter.com/_/status/1011980248684978176)
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@jgmac1106 If you have ever had any difficulty trying to add #IndieWeb tools to your @WordPress site or just want to get started on #IndieWeb WordPress we will have expert remote support available all day (Pacific Time) @chrisaldrich @dshanske @martijnvdven and I… http://jgregorymcverry.com/3870-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1011981147583254528)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Hey #literacies @vconnecting #ds106 #engchat #clmooc if you wanted to learn more about the #IndieWeb and WordPress we will be offering help and get started walkthroughs from the #IndieWebSummit all day. Ping me to learn more. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/3874-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1011982953742729217)
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ben_thatmustbeme jgmac1106: is that a feature request?
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jgmac1106 just a statement, benmustbe.us was close to the classic webring. So….yes it is a feature request. Give us next Ben, previous Ben, and then give this Ben http://dogzone.jgregorymcverry.com/ a way to join (actually don’t mom wouldn’t approve we keep Ben’s blog open but don’t promote it)
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chrisaldrich good morning indiewebz!
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Loqi chrisaldrich: Zegnat left you a message 14 hours, 5 minutes ago: if people have mf2 problems (even in WP themes), I am totally game for lending my mf2 knowledge to the cause!
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dougbeal chrisaldrich: good morning
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chrisaldrich Zegnat++ for overnight wiki gardening
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Loqi zegnat has 103 karma in this channel (244 overall)
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chrisaldrich Zegnat: thanks for the offer, we may take you up on it.
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chrisaldrich What is Open Scholar?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Open Scholar" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Open Scholar is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat “overnight”, this is what the outside looked like for me when the IWS stream went down: https://photos.app.goo.gl/JvWoWiHH88uTdZT4A
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dougbeal Zegnat++ same, appreciate all the hard work
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chrisaldrich Looks like a nice place to clear one's head.
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Zegnat Sadly the sun comes up behind that line of trees, so I can’t do nice pictures of it without first tracking
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chrisaldrich Open Scholar is a prepackaged [[Drupal]] installed geared toward the higher education space for making running and maintaining a website easier. https://github.com/openscholar/openscholar
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Loqi ok
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Loqi [openscholar] openscholar: OpenScholar project
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Zegnat chrisaldrich, at Berlin last year there was the idea to do an actual IndieWeb-Camping in my backyard. For people who wanted to clear their mind ;)
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chrisaldrich I forgot that the sun is out longer in PDX than it is in LA, so it feels like I've moved a few timezones despite staying in the same one.
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chrisaldrich Actual camping is a grand idea, though making sure that there's some sort of bandwidth may prove more difficult in the wilderness...
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jgmac1106 Step one of my project done: https://indiewebsandbox.jgregorymcverry.com/
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@manton2 Slow start for me this morning. Luckily my Airbnb left a Stumptown cold brew coffee in the fridge. Catching up on support email before heading over to IndieWeb Summit day 2. https://2018.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1011995208995786752)
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@jackyalcine To start off day 2 of the #IndieWeb summit, here's a glimpse of all of the attendees this year! https://indieweb.org/2018#Photos #iws2018 (twitter.com/_/status/1011999285813108736)
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@jackyalcine ↩️ I'm going to be hacking on a particular project today! For the sake of ease of access, it'll be on https://github.com/jalcine/plug-indieauth/ for now, but I aim to move it to https://git.jacky.wtf/indieweb/ in the near future when I get indieauth support in gitea going #iws2018 #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1012001911988543488)
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Zegnat What is Plug?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Plug" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Plug is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat jalcine, care to give Loqi a short definition? ^^^
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jalcine I _want_ to, but I can't log into the wiki
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jalcine but tl;dr: https://hexdocs.pm/plug/readme.html
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jalcine it's like Rack but for Elixir, the language
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jalcine oh actually
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jalcine Plug is a modular Web framework for Elixir
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Loqi ok
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jalcine awesome
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Zegnat You can just tell Loqi what you want for these sort of things :D
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jalcine 💯
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[anomalily] Off-topic: for all folks at the summit, if you need a book filled with cats explaining purrsonal finance, you can come get one from me and avoid paying shipping! I have 3 with me.
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Zegnat Make it ontopic: does your book have a website? ;)
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[anomalily] It does but it doesn't have indieweb building blocks yet www.ohmydollar.com/book/
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[cleverdevil] Finally made it and debating what to hack on. I'm also available to help others with their projects!
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gRegor-mobile If anyone is interested in getting read posts set up on their site let me know. I'm thinking my short project today will be some indiebookclub enhancements.
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Zegnat My project for today is to combine a bunch of technologies I have little experience with (node, beanstalkd, headless chromium) to do web archiving of my bookmarks for me.
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gRegor-mobile I'm also interested in collaborating on something totally different. Looking forward to the session proposals
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Zegnat And also being here if anyone wants to talk microformats
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sketchess good morning Indieweb
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Zegnat good morning sketchess
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gRegor-mobile jalcine, did you mention the login issue to aaronpk?
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sketchess today still a double day, Zegnat?
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Zegnat gRegor-mobile: the DNS servers from aaronpk’s linodes simply weren’t resolving the domain at all. Needs a call out to the room in case someone knows more about DNS, I think.
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Zegnat sketchess, what do you mean by double day?
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sketchess HWC
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Zegnat When is next-hwc?
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Loqi Join us for an evening of IndieWeb personal site demos and discussions! Any questions? Ask in the chatroom! More… https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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Zegnat There seem to be some HWCs planned for today. I am not planning to attend any though.
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sketchess aha
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jgmac1106 who is jgmac1106?
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Loqi J. Gregory McVerry (Greg) is an educator trying to use the web to help engineer better teachers https://indieweb.org/User:Jgregorymcverry.com
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jgmac1106 Who is Jean MacDonald?
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Zegnat Who is only works for irc-people
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Zegnat What is irc-people?
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Loqi IRC people is a list of IRC regulars sorted by nick(name), with their website and usual timezone(s) https://indieweb.org/IRC_People
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sketchess greetings jgmac1106
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jgmac1106 yes talking about that now was doing demo of difference
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jgmac1106 hey sketchess
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Zegnat Ah, sorry to interupt then, jgmac1106!
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Zegnat sketchess, if there is no HWC for you to attend, you can always organise it yourself! Or you can spend the time looking at all the different sessions that happened in Portland yesterday: https://indieweb.org/2018/Schedule#Tuesday
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sketchess What was the final conclusion of yesterday's education talk? jgmac1106
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sketchess sweet of you Zegnat..... did it this morning
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Zegnat Right now: IndieWeb Summit 2018 in Portland!!! Live stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBpgZBtjfMU! Summit info: https://indieweb.org/2018. Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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[cleverdevil] I has a project for the day!
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[cleverdevil] I suppose I'll share during session planning.
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Zegnat Right now: IndieWeb Summit 2018 in Portland!!! Live stream: https://www.youtube.com/c/Indiewebcamp/live! Summit info: https://indieweb.org/2018. Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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Zegnat Right now: IndieWeb Summit 2018 in Portland!!! Live stream: https://www.youtube.com/c/Indiewebcamp/live ! Summit info: https://indieweb.org/2018. Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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Zegnat Day 2 of the IndieWeb Summit is live at https://www.youtube.com/c/Indiewebcamp/live
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@martijnvdven Hello #IndieWeb, the #IndieWebSummit is back online! We are slightly behind the previously published schedule for the day, but you can now join us at https://www.youtube.com/c/Indiewebcamp/live (twitter.com/_/status/1012017620453937152)
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Zegnat aaronpk kicks us of with a welcome to day two
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Zegnat The day will start with 3 - more tutorial style - sessions.
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Zegnat IndieWeb building blocks: covering intro to microformats, webmentions. Getting those up and running.
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Zegnat tantek: these are hands-on workshops
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Zegnat He will be leading it
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Zegnat The second one is indiewebifying your wordpress.
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Zegnat (Guess who runs it.)
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Zegnat The third one is IndieAuth & Micropub. Will depend on the audience which one gets the most focus
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Zegnat If you are using WordPress, the WordPress session will be better than just the overall building blocks
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Zegnat Show of hands in the room for interest in the different sessions.
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Zegnat Building blocks gets the main room
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Zegnat WordPress will move to the Blue Room
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Zegnat Green Room will have IndieAuth & Micropub
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Zegnat aaronpk, announces availability of the IWC tshirts
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/shirts lets you order tshirts.
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Zegnat Price is set as low as possible, sales are not to raise money specifically. Place order from the place that gives you cheapest shipping
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@HongPong #indieweb discussion starts with economics monopolies and capitalism at #design4drupal https://t.co/txs86keG9z (twitter.com/_/status/1012019589658677253)
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sketchess well, it might be a good day to work on Pia.
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sketchess btw... befor, I guess Aaron, reduced the mic.... is was good over youtube..... now it is heardly to hear with full 100% turned up
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sketchess it
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Zegnat It depends on which mic is being used. The one for just the podium or for the whole room
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sketchess the second was good before...
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sketchess currently ok for main.... thanks
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Zegnat This will probably be the main camera view for the rest of the day until demos
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sketchess have fun guys... :)
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@sdepolo Time got get building more #indieweb stuff on my blog. Watch the replays of yesterday's #IndieWebSummit sessions for inspiration, if you missed em. @martijnvdven will there be livestreams today? (twitter.com/_/status/1012021955451469824)
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@martijnvdven ↩️ Yes, main room is already online! https://twitter.com/martijnvdven/status/1012017620453937152 I will update the schedule if and when more live streaming possibilities come online: https://indieweb.org/2018/Schedule#Wednesday (twitter.com/_/status/1012022331517079553)
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@HongPong Hearing about #indieweb http://indieweb.org at MIT the citadel of cybernetics... Rebooting the idea of having your own website #D4DBoston #design4drupal @D4DBoston (twitter.com/_/status/1012022589366161409)
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Zegnat It looks like only the main room is currently streaming
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gRegorLove building blocks etherpad: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/building-blocks
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Zegnat I’ll add that to the schedule
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Zegnat wishes he could ping into other rooms and check streaming setups :(
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gRegorLove GWG, aaronpk: do your sessions have etherpads?
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@martijnvdven #IndieWebSummit is currently running 3 sessions: 1. #IndieWeb Building Blocks - https://www.youtube.com/c/Indiewebcamp/live 2. IndieWebifying your WordPress - https://hangouts.google.com/call/l325PMIq8QSSG3jDrUDbAAEE 3. IndieAuth & Micropub - sadly not being streamed. (twitter.com/_/status/1012026038753415170)
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@martijnvdven ↩️ As always, the schedule is up-to-date with what is going on. If any streams change, check the schedule. https://indieweb.org/2018/Schedule#Wednesday (twitter.com/_/status/1012026351979724800)
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Alright, so, I'm in the #IndieWeb track for the building blocks of the IndieWeb. @t is taking us through some things we can do to keep us chatting in silos but still _owning_ our responses. #iws2018 (twitter.com/_/status/1012027484769046529)
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[dorismith] Whois dori
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Loqi Dori Smith is trying to figure out what's next https://indieweb.org/User:Www.dori.com
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Zegnat That is a brilliant tagline!
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Zegnat [dorismith]++
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@thejimbirch Learning about the IndieWeb principals from @adactio at @D4DBoston #D4DBoston #Drupal https://t.co/nRDdbCKsld (twitter.com/_/status/1012028803319726080)
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@HongPong I just gave the #indieweb (http://indieweb.org) plug for Drupal 8 Linkback module ( http://drupal.org/project/linkback ) which implements pingbacks and webmentions - i worked on it a bit, its got a great architecture with batching and anti-spam #D4DBoston @D4DBoston (twitter.com/_/status/1012029324290031616)
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gRegorLove dorismith++
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[dorismith] Zegna — thank you!
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[dorismith] Zegnat, I mean
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@martijnvdven While I (feel like I) have the attention of the entire #IndieWeb on me: don’t forget that today is also #HomebrewWebsiteClub day! Even if you didn’t make it to #PDX, there might be a meetup near you! Check https://indieweb.org/events/2018-06-27-homebrew-website-club for all the details. (twitter.com/_/status/1012031391314464770)
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[_jackjamieson]] Can someone please let me back into the Eliot centre? I stepped out for a call and the door is locked
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Zegnat gRegorLove, ^^^
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[anomalily] Hey I'm looking for cool "Currently..." displays/boxes/sidebars on personal websites
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[anomalily] Show me yours!
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Zegnat [anomalily], I sadly do not have a currently (or even /now page), but I just heard you mention genderqueer and I do have this: https://vanderven.se/martijn/gender/
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@jackyalcine ↩️ The hardest thing for me to do is to continue using Jekyll. I want to move _a_ lot of posts and what not and Jekyll can't handle what I need for it. #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012036296007737344)
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Was chatting with @schmarty just now about this and I think I might personally look into making either a bridge to build and push changes to a Git repository. #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012036627525521418)
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@iamrentman rel=“me”, Micropub, Webmention. Intriguing keynote by @adactio at #D4DBoston about owning your content, syndication, and the IndieWeb. #D4D2018 (twitter.com/_/status/1012036785185218561)
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@jackyalcine ↩️ That would _really_ suck. However, it looks like that there might be another option! I don't run my Jekyll site by running `jekyll serve` but if I did, one could use https://jekyll.github.io/jekyll-admin/api/ to push changes to the system. #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012037268889128960)
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gRegorLove_ anomalilly mentioned adding IPA earlier. I think I might do that as an easy, short project
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jmac gRegorLove_: c.f. https://indieweb.org/pronunciation
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gRegorLove_ Though, I have no idea where to start
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gRegorLove_ is reading wikipedia
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Zegnat I poked sebsel to check my IPA. Just find a linguist, gRegorLove
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jmac My friends suggest also looking up the names on Wikipedia. :) (That route doesn't seem to offer much help for "Gregor" alas)
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gRegorLove manton, let me know if you'd like to discuss micropub read posts today
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@ohhelloana I'm at #hwclondon again trying to get stuff done!! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012040457604550666)
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Zegnat I link to a Wikimedia sound fragment of my name, because I do not like my own pronunciation. Ha
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[anomalily] @zegnat I love how thorough that is!
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[anomalily] I saw it last year.
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Zegnat Thank Sam who came up with the model. I just turned it into a web page.
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Zegnat Though I do not expect a lot of people to copy that idea. I understand I am in a pretty priveledged position where I feel secure in publishing this much information
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tonz hey @frankmeeuwsen!
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frankmeeuwsen Good evening!
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strugee aaronpk: https://github.com/strugee/spec.indieweb.org
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Loqi [strugee] spec.indieweb.org: Landing page for IndieWeb specs
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strugee frankmeeuwsen: heya!
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frankmeeuwsen Trying to follow the #designinspirations from earlier today on Youtube but a bit bad on sound
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frankmeeuwsen Hey @strugee
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Zegnat The main room is a bit up and down on sound
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Zegnat strugee, good idea!
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Zegnat stops keeping an eye on everything IWS and starts programming
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strugee Zegnat: thanks :)
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Zegnat Except: 10 minutes until lunch for people in Portland!
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strugee uhhh I've forgotten who wanted to hack on Micropub with me but I'm starting now in the main room lol
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frankmeeuwsen Time to get some blogging done
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@kevinmarks Future #Indieweb sponsor? I'm really missing indiewebcamp this week https://t.co/khHn2h7FEz (twitter.com/_/status/1012051056455401472)
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[anomalily] I need a linguist to help me write IPA I am terrible at linguistics. Will trade LaTeX support for Linguistics pkgs 😉
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@calum_ryan Another productive evening at Homebrew Website Club London – looking into offline updates with ServiceWorkers and helping out @ohhelloana get setup with Jekyll Webmention support (twitter.com/_/status/1012064532313886720)
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frankmeeuwsen A (dutch) overview of the Indieweb Summit Day 1 - http://diggingthedigital.com/Indiewebsummit-dag-1/
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strugee aaronpk: ping
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strugee are you around? can I pick your brain about Micropub for a sec?
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@frankmeeuwsen Zo, even mijn browsertabs van gisterenavond in een blogpost gezet. Dat is iets overzichtelijker voor mij en inzichtelijk voor wie het wil lezen. Een overzicht van projecten die langskwamen op #indiewebsummit 2018 http://diggingthedigital.com/Indiewebsummit-dag-1/ (twitter.com/_/status/1012065680395587584)
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snarfed tantek__: https://cors-anywhere.herokuapp.com/ ?
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kicks is there a search engine or a directory for the indieweb?
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KartikPrabhu what is irc-people
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Loqi IRC people is a list of IRC regulars sorted by nick(name), with their website and usual timezone(s) https://indieweb.org/IRC_People
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KartikPrabhu what is indiemap?
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Loqi indie map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset, made by Ryan Barrett and launched at IndieWeb Summit 2017 https://indieweb.org/indiemap
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KartikPrabhu kicks: ^
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kicks ok those are helpful - thank you!
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kicks i guess i'm also wondering if there is anything else like news.indieweb.org - where you webmention it and it syndicates you, almost as if it was an indieweb-style subreddit
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KartikPrabhu what is indieweb news?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb news" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "indieweb news is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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KartikPrabhu huh!
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KartikPrabhu indieweb news is /news
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Loqi ok
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KartikPrabhu what is news
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Loqi Welcome to news about the IndieWeb where recent notable articles about the IndieWeb are cited and linked to keep you up to date https://indieweb.org/news
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@wiobyrne What is IndieWeb & why should you care? Some of my thoughts about education, literacy, & technology as we move from digital portfolios, to domain of one's own (#DoOO), to #IndieWeb http://bit.ly/2N3qaQ9 (twitter.com/_/status/1012080612927311872)
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KartikPrabhu kicks: that url you mentioned does exist https://news.indieweb.org/
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KartikPrabhu here is a guide to submit https://news.indieweb.org/how-to-submit-a-post
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kicks yes for sure - i find it very useful. i'm wondering if similar sites exist for other topics
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KartikPrabhu what other topics are you thinking of?
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kicks oh i dunno - like let's say 'arduino'
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KartikPrabhu not sure that is under indieweb
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KartikPrabhu so you'll have to ask some "arduino" people
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Zegnat There are definitely websites like it, they are often called “planets”
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kicks yes planets are similar - however they are syndicated by an editor, right?
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kicks whereas i get the sense that news.indieweb.org is syndicate by whoever webmentions it
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Zegnat Often yes. Though syndicated might be a big word. Sometimes they just wholesale import RSS feeds
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Zegnat Yes, that is what it does.
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strugee I believe what kicks is wondering is if there's something like feed.example.org/:topic
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Zegnat I don’t know any examples of aggregators that accept anyone to submit things to it ...
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strugee where :topic could be anything such that that URL worked like IndieNews
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Zegnat Reddit? Hahaha
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Loqi awesome
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strugee haha
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kicks well but reddit has strict rules about self-promotion
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KartikPrabhu it makes sense for indieweb beacuse if you are sending a webmention and using u-category then you pass the "proof of work"
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KartikPrabhu not sure it makes sense for random topics
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kicks i really appreciate all of you taking time to answer my questions
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strugee kicks: no problem :)
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kicks i think news.indieweb.org is a very novel concept - like a subreddit which you submit to by simply webmentioning it
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kicks and i wonder if it has been extended to other topics
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kicks because it seems that discovering new blogs has become a challenge
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strugee kicks: you should consider building something yourself ;)
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strugee experimentation is highly encouraged in this community
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kicks i wish i could keep up with indie content about a topic, but i feel like reddit is dominated by the more popular blogs
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KartikPrabhu people keep saying that, but I've never has trouble finding new blogs because people I already follow like/reply/repost to other people
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Zegnat wonders if news.indieweb.org isn’t already open-source so you could just host it yourself for whatever
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kicks strugee: i will certainly consider it - just wanted to make sure i hadn't duplicated another effort
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strugee definitely
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kicks especially since maintaining such a service is a large undertaking
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strugee kicks, Zegnat: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieNews
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Loqi [aaronpk] IndieNews: 📰 News aggregator for IndieWeb-related posts
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kicks i admire the authors of webmention.io and bridgy for offering a free service that seems to have a lifetime ahead of it
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kicks thankyou, strugee!
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strugee sure thing!
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@cathieleblanc As always thought-provoking post from @wiobyrne #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/wiobyrne/status/1012080612927311872 (twitter.com/_/status/1012084734040727552)
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snarfed kicks++ you're welcome!
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@wiobyrne ↩️ Thnx for the support! This post is making me think about rounding up some funding/support to identify a group of scholarship/educators/students to pay for hosting, a domain, & support/mentoring for a year or two to #IndieWeb & #DoOO them. (twitter.com/_/status/1012090444212301825)
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gRegorLove Woo, finished my demo and even documented it: https://indiebookclub.biz/documentation#query
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@sikkdays I saw a number of people watching #IndieWeb goodness with me yesterday during #IWS2018. You may be interested in Jeena's Excellent Encounters podcast with Martijn van der Ven. https://jeena.net/pods/17 (twitter.com/_/status/1012100208920911872)
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Zegnat [anomalily] : I was mostly answering to stuff happening in Blue Room on the wordpress chat #indieweb-wordpress
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Zegnat I don’t know where you are all at. Blue Room Hangouts sound does not seem to work, so I can’t speak up
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[anomalily] Hi!
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[anomalily] I'm always in wordpressss
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@martijnvdven This year’s #IndieWebSummit demos are about to start over at https://www.youtube.com/c/Indiewebcamp/live ~ if any #IndieWeb remote people are still awake outside of the US, that’s where to go! (twitter.com/_/status/1012109683962929152)
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Zegnat And we’re off to the demos!
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Zegnat People will get about 2 minutes per demo
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Zegnat There will be Kareoke: private room, so only singing in front of eachother and not in front of an entire bar.
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Zegnat aaronpk, will not be going first (because it may ruin a surprise *gasp*)
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Zegnat “We have dongles. For things.”
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Zegnat Yes please for names and websites :D
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Zegnat [chrisaldrich] first up
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Zegnat helped other people a lot.
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Zegnat gets more itchy from the IRC chat room
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Zegnat created a new post kind to track his itches
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Zegnat indieweb.org is another silo he doens’t want to depend upon for his itches
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Zegnat using flames as icon for ithces
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Zegnat “burning desire”
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Zegnat For {{martijnvdven}}’s sake a completely new itch-of property!
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Zegnat And a separate itch-feed to subscribe to
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Zegnat “is an itch post completed by a scratch post?”
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty It's demo time! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012112614858678272)
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty Chris Aldrich is out here with his new post type to handle itches! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012112616964198403)
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Zegnat cleverdevil shows indiepaper
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schmarty zegnat++ for demos!
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Zegnat If you have a micropub compatible site, indiepaper can submit read-later posts to it
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schmarty (for notetaking, i mean!)
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Zegnat cleverdevil is using aperture for it, aperture has a special feature where it creates micropub endpoints for channels
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Zegnat Showing of the read-later bookmarklet
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Zegnat Clicks it on a page
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Zegnat Switches to [[Together]] and shows a new article in his readlater channel
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Zegnat All general social interactions from within the reader will work
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schmarty Indiepaper: https://indiepaper.cleverdevil.io/
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Zegnat indiepaper.cleverdevil.io
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Zegnat Any old micropub works, but microsub is nicer (and more complicated to explain)
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Zegnat Searching for correct screen dongle ... take the black one, usually works
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Jonathon // http://cleverdevil.io just unveiled http://indiepaper.cleverdevil.io that works as a IndieWeb-powered Instapaper. Using tools like Aperture and Together will help you use this! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012113538536628224)
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@cleverdevil Just demoed Indiepaper, my read-it-later service for the IndieWeb. Check it out - https://indiepaper.cleverdevil.io (twitter.com/_/status/1012113558937710592)
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Zegnat Who is up?
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jalcine like awake?
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Zegnat No, like, demoing :P
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Zegnat No name/url
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Zegnat Patch for perkeep, a backend storage system, written years ago
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Zegnat New query system for metadata of the files
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Zegnat So you can write something like an SSG on top of the perkeep file storage
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jalcine oh I was going to ask that too re: name tbh
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Zegnat (schmarty, it is “perkeep”, I am assuming?)
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jalcine https://perkeep.org/
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Zegnat I am pretty good, but I am not an over-the-internet-mind-reader. So I don’t magically know who is demoing. Sadly
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jalcine ;)
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schmarty zegnat, jalcine ^^ all correct
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty We got a patch for perkeep // https://perkeep.org/ that allows for more simpler static-site generation. #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012114174976184322)
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schmarty Eric is demoing. one sec and i'll get his user page
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Zegnat Thanks!
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Zegnat Showing the commands for querying an image right now
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Zegnat Getting a hash first, that hash can then be used to do things. Running a oneline to “do it all at once”
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Zegnat Shows the metadata coming up
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Zegnat Next step, feeding it into something like [[Metalsmith]]
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schmarty it was
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schmarty Eric Drechsel
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Zegnat snarfed coming up, asking for a round of applause for all the people running organisation
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GWG Sorry, Zegnat for the noise
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Zegnat Noise? Clapping is fine, only podium mic is on
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schmarty (Eric is https://edrex.pdxhub.org/)
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Zegnat Awesome, thanks schmarty!
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty Ryan starts his demo by giving props to the organizers. Truly needed since everything is just moving! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012114799633854464)
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Zegnat snarfed starts on the reader wiki page
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Zegnat talking about how nice decoupling readers and servers is
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schmarty jalcine: i seem to be caught in your note boat on Twitter 😂
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@erima Had a great time at #D4DBoston today. @adactio bringing the indieweb vibe, @redfinsolutions, @oomphinc, and @LastCallMedia had great presentations. (twitter.com/_/status/1012115021445386240)
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jalcine it's so bad
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jalcine and I don't know why it happens
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Zegnat talking about how there are many feed fetching “silos” already
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Zegnat Holding up NewsBlur as example
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jalcine it's this cross "toot"/tweet thingy
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Zegnat baffle.snarfed.org
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schmarty computers 🤷‍♂️
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Zegnat Using Cloudflare in front
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Zegnat CDN can run code for you on the nodes to keep work off of your own servers
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Zegnat Worker takes microsub requests and translates them to newsblur api calls, and translates the response back
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Zegnat More commandline and curling!
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Zegnat curling the newsblur endpoint on baffle
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Zegnat (someone check with snarfed that baffle can go linked on the wiki! schmarty, gRegorLove)
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Zegnat Showing the output in [[Together]]
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Zegnat Successful prototype
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schmarty he says sure!
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Zegnat next up [anomalily]
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Zegnat did one of those things that “looks really simple”
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Zegnat but involved a lot of “getting GWG to fix things”
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Zegnat Shows the weather at her latest location in her footer
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Zegnat Checkins now show pictures. Previous checkins went through IFTTT, now straight from indieweb stack
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Zegnat Only problem: no titles on the checkins anymore
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Zegnat next up gRegorLove
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Zegnat Worked on indiebookclub
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Zegnat The micropub client for everything you are interested in reading
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Zegnat Now has query-string support that allows you to prefill fields in the form
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Zegnat This will enable to creation of things like bookmarklets
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Ryan bridging services like NewsBlur into platforms like Together. This pulls in silo platform feeds in conjunction to our readers. #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012116482774495232)
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty Lily got changes to show more check-in info and weather on her site. #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012116485173489664)
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty Gregor is showing off IndieBookClub // http://indidebookclub.biz - similar to Goodreads and/or @reading #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012116487254011904)
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Zegnat It is all on the documentation page
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Zegnat Did a second thing
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Zegnat He joined the indiewebwebring
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jalcine iwwr
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jalcine I just see webweb and think of WWW from Megaman lol
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty @reading Also highlighting the creation of the IndieWeb Web ring! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012116795132710912)
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Zegnat Nolan up next. boundary.me [?]
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Zegnat Packaging up WordPress with IndieWeb plugins and small config
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Zegnat To run on the RPi
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Zegnat Reason this is interesting is the user experience
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Zegnat Unzip a file on the RPi, go to the “store”, get WordPress and it is all done
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Zegnat Hosting with SSL etc
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Nolan is showing a pre-packaged version of Wordpress that's IndieWeb-forward designed for small devices. Once it's online, it's available and ready to be IndieWeb-friendly. #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012117106006155266)
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Zegnat ( 🕸💍 is the correct way of writing webring, btw, jalcine)
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jalcine lol TIL
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jalcine might need a wiki disambiguation page
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Zegnat your own domain can point to the raspbary with a CNAME
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Zegnat Nolan is now logged in to the RPi. Sadly you still have to go activate the plugin manually
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Zegnat Also comes with an IndieWeb friendly theme
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[cleverdevil] Super cool!
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Zegnat And the plugin shows the entire process of what you can do and steps to follow
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[cleverdevil] I may host a few sites at home on a Pi using this once its done.
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty @reading Nolan also added a IndieWeb-friendly theme so that it's less coding for you! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012117730391142401)
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Zegnat Next up malcolm
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Zegnat unicyclic.com
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Zegnat project for the day changed a few times
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Zegnat discussion this morning around authorization endpoints. Decided that would be fun to implement in half a day
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Zegnat Demoing login to Monocle
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Zegnat Shows the redirect to his own authorization endpoint
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Zegnat Has a continue button to login to Monocle
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gRegorLove talking to his own reader, [[Dobrado]]
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Zegnat Yesterday had a talk about Microsub, so can continue with the Monocle login flow
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Zegnat Now Monocle is pulling the feed data from his own reader on his own site
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Zegnat Should match up with the public reader on unicyclic
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @t @schmarty @reading Malcolm here is demoing his home-grown authorization endpoint on https://unicyclic.com/ #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012118349982191616)
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Zegnat “hopefully they are in sync”
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Zegnat Checking to see if it matches up. Doesn’t loook pretty in Monocle yet, but seems to get all the posts
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Zegnat authorization endpoint challenge included a free copy of aaronpk’s book!
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Zegnat next up [manton]
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Zegnat Worked on a couple of things
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Zegnat he noticed a micro.blog user tried indiebookclub, but nothing happened
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Zegnat indiebookclub sends a summary as fallback for endpoints that do not understand read-of
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Zegnat micro.blog now supports fallbacks!
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Zegnat (note to self: document in mf2 wiki)
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Zegnat For OwnYourSwarm was using indieauth.com rpeviously for micro.blog users
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[eddie] manton++ !!!! micro.blog IndieAuth provider!! 👏 👏 👏
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Zegnat But tht is annoying
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Zegnat So now micro.blog is its own indieauth endpoint
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Manton is up and shows how you post from IndieBookClub to https://micro.blog. Also https://micro.blog is an IndieAuth PROVIDER! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012119280530481152)
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[cleverdevil] manton++ Awesome work!
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Zegnat a lot simpler for the users this way
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[eddie] Looks like it’s time for me to go update my “IndieAuth” explanation for Micro.blog to say “Natively supported”
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[cleverdevil] That's a big deal. Lots of additional users for IndieAuth, overnight.
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[eddie] HUGE deal!
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Zegnat Now we just need lots of more services that consume indieauth! But they are coming, I hope :D
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Zegnat (stuck in 640x480 xD)
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Zegnat Who is this?
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Zegnat Worked on writing issues on other people’s projects
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Zegnat Did a PR on Together, was merged in
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Zegnat Links to original posts now open in a new tab
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Zegnat next up {{grant.codes}}
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[cleverdevil] That was https://jamey.thesharps.us/
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Zegnat demoed his theming in the intros
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Zegnat It now works in more browsers than just Chrome
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Grant's up with more extensions to his site's themeing options and a little easter egg - _RAINBOW MODE_ lol #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012119929263411201)
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Zegnat Easteregg: you can keep the theme icon pressed to enter rainbox mode
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Zegnat Worked on a site: “micropub example posts”
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Zegnat examples.tpxl.io
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Zegnat Shows the rendered HTML for post types, the HTML, and the parsed JSON
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Zegnat For all sorts of post types
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Zegnat There is also a link for an h-feed to test readers with
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Zegnat There is also more error reporting in [[Together]]. “That should be useful.”
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Zegnat grant.codes++ Always useful!
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Zegnat grantcodes++
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Grant also made a site that shows examples of MicroFormats 2 JSON and HTML for the page as well. Helpful if you wanna test readers or MicroPub clients. #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012120270717546506)
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Zegnat Next up Jim Pick
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Zegnat Wanting to merge IndieWeb stuff with DAT stuff
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Zegnat Landing page asks for a name
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Zegnat It can then publish a personal page on dat immediately
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Jim Pick is out here demoing a tool on @glitch that lets you automatically make IndieWeb sites on IPFS! Really nifty. #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012120592760401920)
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Zegnat using the hashbase service, the DAT page is also available on the internet
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Zegnat Got it working 5 minutes before demos.
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Zegnat Sebastian Kippe
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Zegnat sebastian.kip.pe
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Zegnat Likes to publish what city/country he is in at any given time
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Zegnat Used [[Swarm]] with webhooks
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Zegnat Swarm broke the API, and will not be supporting it any longer (at least not for free users)
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Zegnat Now uses [[OwnTracks]]
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Zegnat Sends to [[Huginn]]
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GWG Owntracks for Android is abandoned, alas.
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Zegnat Yeah, I looked into that too, GWG :(
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GWG Zegnat: GPS Logger?
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Zegnat Not entirely finished, working on a system that will automatically post to a website when he enters a new city
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Zegnat GWG, I wanted to run OwnTracks, but ended up taking petermolnar’s advice for a different app. Name escapes me, will check when I pick up phone
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Zegnat Next up: ... the person who build ubos
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gRegorLove j12t
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gRegorLove Johannes
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Sebastian is demoing his real-time actions (namely location) initially using Foursquare's Swarm but moved to OwnTracks so it's a lot easier! #iws2018 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1012121552685617152)
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Zegnat please take a step to the podium ...
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Zegnat Wants to make Together installable with 1 command
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Zegnat Shows the JSON config needed to install Together, very little configuration
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Zegnat https://github.com/jernst/ubos-together
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Zegnat jgmac1106 up next
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Zegnat been working with the question: how to onboard students and teachers
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Zegnat wants to make remixable syllibi
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Zegnat Because everyone is teaching the same courses online
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Zegnat learning CSS grids at the same time
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Zegnat On his own website, he took Post Kinds to recreate his twitter feed
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Zegnat Added not 1, but 2 webrings
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Zegnat Found a WP plugin for webrings
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Zegnat Next up strugee
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Zegnat Does not know how to use cords
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Zegnat (Thankfully we are on IRC and not on Discord, he.he.he.)
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Zegnat Bugged him that spec.indieweb.org didn’t have anything
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gRegorLove Hahah
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Zegnat Went to the whatwg page and stole their HTML
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[chrisaldrich] Zegnat++ for live updates on irc, it feels like I haven't really left yet
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Zegnat Created a github repo with that HTML linking to all the indieweb specs
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Zegnat And pinged aaronpk to put it online
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Zegnat Also worked on [[LazyMention]][
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Zegnat Will crawl your website and send webmentions for them
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Zegnat Which allows static sites to send webmentions
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Zegnat Interesting server error that would crash the whole thing: apparently false does not equal true
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[wiobyrne] These updates are awesome. Need to go back later and review the video and grab links.
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Zegnat Last thing he did was adding pretty job urls