#indieweb 2018-07-02

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tantek__ interesting article with big UX design implications: https://www.fastcodesign.com/90177381/want-to-understand-experience-design-eat-popcorn-with-chopsticks I think there's a bunch here we could utilize for more compelling indieweb experiences (as compared to boring silo experiences)
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tantek__ might also explain a motivation for silos to change their UIs like every 6 months
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tantek__ Manton++ wow http://www.manton.org/2018/06/indiebookclub.html
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@ChrisAldrich I've been thinking more about how to create a full stack #IndieWeb infrastructure to replace the major portions of the academic journal ecosystem which would allow researchers to own their academic papers [...] #edtech #samizdat #sciencecommunication https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/01/indieweb-tech-stack-for-academia/ (twitter.com/_/status/1013596252737396737)
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@jameshull Oh no. I discovered Microsub servers, Aperture, Monocole, and Together. What crazy new Indie-world is this?! https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/1013628846426517504)
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sknebel Good morning indieweb!
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aaronpk it's always morning somewhere!
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aaronpk what time is it for sknebel?
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Loqi In sknebel's timezone, Europe/Berlin, it is currently 5:46am on July 2
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schmarty ok actually slinking off to bed but not before...
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schmarty cleverdevil++ just got indiepaper set up with a Read Later for my Aperture set up and wow it is a beautifully simple workflow!
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@t ↩️ sorry to miss you! Best #IndieWebSummit yet! Wide variety of sessions, hacks, demos. Check out session notes & videos: https://indieweb.org/2018/Schedule#Tuesday And join us in chat! https://indieweb.org/discuss http://tantek.com/t4vD1 (twitter.com/_/status/1013653300951035904)
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tantek__ !tell Manton hey suggestion/request for Micro.blog t-shirts ICYMI! https://twitter.com/fionajvoss/status/1010551542859091969
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@fionajvoss http://Micro.blog t-shirt idea: like these GitHub shirts, I would like a shirt that says “http://micro.blog/___”, with a space to write my username. https://github.myshopify.com/products/github-username-shirt (twitter.com/_/status/1010551542859091969)
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sknebel Aaronpk, what was your trick to get GitHub activity in your reader?
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tantek__ sknebel: well my github activity he sees from my own site :)
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tantek__ speaking of github activity, does anyone else use labels on issues? especially on issues that they didn't themselves create? (I know snarfed does on the bridgy repo)
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cweiske when people request features in my jsonmapper lib, I usually add a "patch-needed" label
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cweiske tantek__, https://github.com/cweiske/grauphel/issues/50
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Loqi [nomeata] #50 Sharing single notes with other users
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tantek__ good example cweiske
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@billbennettnz ↩️ @jackyan @lightweight @newzedland See https://billbennett.co.nz/indieweb-journalists/ (twitter.com/_/status/1013724684859260928)
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@jgmac1106 Morning from sunny Ocean City, NJ #IndieWeb! Spent the wee hours setting up my nephews with blogs using @withknown and adding them to our private family social network: https://ourclan.jgregorymcverry.com/. Excited to eventually add a family ... https://is.gd/VsjGIh (twitter.com/_/status/1013732349614415872)
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@lightweight ↩️ Pleased to see IndieWeb focuses, first and foremost, on *principles*, including plurality over monoculture. (twitter.com/_/status/1013737253619863553)
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[manton] [tantek] Those are cool GitHub shirts! Neat idea.
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Loqi [manton]: tantek__ left you a message 5 hours, 30 minutes ago: hey suggestion/request for Micro.blog t-shirts ICYMI! https://twitter.com/fionajvoss/status/1010551542859091969
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@JmacDotOrg Fogknife : I attended IndieWeb Summit 2018 http://fogknife.com/2018-06-28-i-attended-indieweb-summit-2018.html https://t.co/FycVKRIuQe (twitter.com/_/status/1013751654833971200)
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@KaiKubasta ↩️ @sarah_edo That's what I love about https://indieweb.org. (twitter.com/_/status/1013765148123844608)
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@jgmac1106 Agree, a bunch of us trying to keep the web weird. @schamrty even helped launch an #IndieWeb webring and us WordPress ilk dusted off an old plugin and gave the ringmaster a site inspired by MySpace design: ... https://is.gd/JgUXWr (twitter.com/_/status/1013767190896676864)
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@jgmac1106 I just added my web ring memberships on my #IndieWeb wiki page: https://indieweb.org/User:Jgregorymcverry.com Also on: https://is.gd/4jt4xO (twitter.com/_/status/1013775332149735426)
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@jgmac1106 indieweb, webring, keepthewebweird Best description tutorial for the emerging #IndieWeb take on the 90'2 classic webring: Also on: https://is.gd/3sOtmR (twitter.com/_/status/1013779286665449472)
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[wiobyrne] Good morning IndieWeb!
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[eddie] tantek regarding GitHub label: when someone files issues on Indigenous I’ll tag it bug or enhancement based on the request. I’ll mark it as needs investigating. Finally I’ll mark it as ready for next release until I release the next build of Indigenous, after which I close all the “next release tagged issues”
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schmarty manton++ for the micro.blog page about IndieWeb Webring!!!
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schmarty should get back to work on it
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[manton] [schmarty] 🙂
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[cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb 🙂
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aaronpk happy monday!
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jmac Cutting through my post-conference-monday email with a knife+fork, yum yum
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[kim_landwehr] [aaronpk] I keep getting the following error when logging into Aperture indieauth error
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[kim_landwehr] The authoriation code was not able to be verified, not sure how to fix it or what to look for. Any help would be appreciated
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aaronpk [kim_landwehr]: is this a wordpress site?
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[kim_landwehr] no it is a blot.im site
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@EddieHinkle ↩️ There is also a group of new readers that the IndieWeb is calling "Social Readers" You can see some screenshots and learn more here: https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/1013820948359852034)
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aaronpk [kim_landwehr]: i'm not sure about that particular problem, but there are a bunch of other mismatched HTML tags on the page which might be messing things up somehow
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@wiobyrne ↩️ Trying to make simple to get output for annotations on a page(s), copy/paste, revise, & add commentary if needed. Links back to source in meaningful way. I'll use on my #IndieWeb site. Also common space for blogging & hypothesis for students. In a way...building a better Storify. (twitter.com/_/status/1013829880587476992)
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@wiobyrne ↩️ I'd like to use @hypothes_is to mark up a page, and the send out a "bookmark" page using #indieweb tools to save/share/archive my thinking. The annotations would embed in the page (like embedding a tweet). I could intersperse this with commentary/content. (twitter.com/_/status/1013844307072217088)
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@xolotl ↩️ As an #indieweb newbie, just throwing this out there, but wouldn’t a #POSSE approach be to publish your annotations to your own site as some microformat type and maybe also feed to an annotation service like @hypothes_is? (twitter.com/_/status/1013848744171720704)
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[kim_landwehr] [aaronpk] its working now, cleaned up some cruft on my end.
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[eddie] !tell gRegorLove https://indieweb.org/read could use some info about IndieBookClub related stuff when you get the time. I don’t know enough about it yet to do it myself. I have been so busy with Indigenous, haven’t gotten a chance to look into it myself yet
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove Sure, will do
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[kim_landwehr] [eddie] I am still having problem with Indigenous crashing when I hit the share too button on iOs. I am on public beta so that maybe part of the problem
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[eddie] Hmmmm. strange. Yeah, I would update to the current public release of Indigenous and try that. (Working on a blog post about the public release for later today). Definitely let me know if it still crashes from the App Store version. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/indigenous-social-timeline/id1271004584?mt=8
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[cleverdevil] [eddie] should those of us who were on TestFlight switch over primarily to the App Store version?
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[cleverdevil] Or is it better to stay on the TestFlight?
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[eddie] Hehe, funny you ask, [cleverdevil]. This weekend I ended up submitting 1.0.2 to the App Store only and not TestFlight as I was worried adding it to TestFlight as well might slow it down and I wanted to get 1.0.2 out ASAP due to a bug with micro.blog IndieAuth
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[eddie] But I’m not 100% sure
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[cleverdevil] I just want to be sure that I am helping!
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[cleverdevil] 😄
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@xolotl ↩️ A practical #indieweb approach I’m thinking of might be to use @hypothes_is as an annotation authoring engine (so you don’t have to recreate anchoring machinery), but on save write to your own site, prob as individual posts just like other microformat types. 1/ (twitter.com/_/status/1013850907279163392)
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[eddie] I need to put 1.0.2 into TestFlight and then they should match up. If you want to stay using TestFlight that will probably be helpful as I’ll probably push that through a little before public release in the future just to catch any crazy bugs 🙂
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[eddie] I’ll probably pause development for a bit after my son is born, so i’ll send out an FYI at that point for everyone to move to the App Store version until the development picks up again
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[cleverdevil] OK, I will stick with TestFlight, then.
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@xolotl ↩️ In this scenario, you would do all that with the posts on your site, just like with any other microformat posts you own/control. #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1013854600896450560)
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@xolotl ↩️ Every annotation has a unique URL. Everything else seems to depend a bit on how #IndieWeb you want to be ;) (twitter.com/_/status/1013855863969378304)
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@wiobyrne ↩️ Also, the main link back to the source will already be on the page as a bookmark using the #indieweb tools. A @hypothes_is user could open up the tools to see other annotations, or readers could just review the source as they see fit. (twitter.com/_/status/1013855914825273345)
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@wiobyrne ↩️ Agreed. I think I can embed or provide link previews on hover from the unique URL. I would prefer to have that annotated text in the body of the post as easily/seamlessly as possible. #IndieWeb seems to provide that magic sauce that makes it work well, and seem simple. :) (twitter.com/_/status/1013856593409175553)
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[Vanessa] Hmm, still not getting indiebookclub to post to my site. It’s just getting an “unauthorized” from my endpoint apparently. The site made me log in again today and I now appear to have two tokens issued - but the one yesterday didn’t work either. Is this WordPress being annoying, or me being think. (I did actually get Quill to post yesterday, so something is working).
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gRegorLove [Vanessa], I think that's something with the WordPress IndieAuth plugin
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gRegorLove You're not the only WordPress person running into that
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@xolotl ↩️ IIU the #indieweb model correctly, the path would be to have your annotations collected on your own site as individual posts, then you could use your regular site tools to re-present them however you wish. (twitter.com/_/status/1013858218932559872)
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@xolotl ↩️ For WordPress, my ideal would be something like https://wordpress.org/plugins/zotpress/ for @hypothes_is, where one could use flexible WP shortcodes to pull from the @hypothes_is API as needed. But that’s not #IndieWeb pure ;) (twitter.com/_/status/1013858592401702912)
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[Vanessa] Thanks. At least it’s not me! I have issues with Quill and Omnibear too, although Quill did randomly work yesterday. Shame, cos I really want to use Indiebookclub - I am, just without it posting to my site 😞 One day…
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@wiobyrne ↩️ In a "bookmark" or "reply" post, you could mark up with @hypothes_is, then on #IndieWeb site, link to source, and pull over annotations, add context (if needed), share. But...this would just be for the links & social share. Longer posts, I would in-text cite, or perhaps embed. (twitter.com/_/status/1013861121764315136)
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@wiobyrne ↩️ All of this cool talk about #IndieWeb, @hypothes_is annotations, and building a strong, transparent, transferable digital trail of ideas. And then I go back into my university's LMS to respond to posts in the discussion thread. :( (twitter.com/_/status/1013865389611257856)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "The web is the social network | Manton Reece" http://www.manton.org/2018/07/the-web-is-the-social-network.html (from https://aaronparecki.com/2018/07/02/23/)
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tantek__ manton++ great post
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[manton] Thanks!
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@jaredcwhite Episode 5: Nostalgia Café Waxing nostalgic about the Sci-Fi of youth: #babylon5 and #startrek TNG. There’s also plenty to look forward to, such as throwing off the shackles of our corporate web overlords and embracing the #indieweb! https://jaredwhite.com/podcast/5/ (twitter.com/_/status/1013897090210992129)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Things We Left in the Old Web" https://www.kickscondor.com/2018/07/02/things-we-left-in-the-old-web/
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@00d4n1_ebooks It helps if i search for my indieweb ostatus identifier from masto well, glitchsoc,…. (twitter.com/_/status/1013929423333142528)
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