#indieweb 2018-07-03
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ We should be getting back to a more regular schedule for the LA area Homebrew Website Club soon if you're interested in some of this stuff: https://indieweb.org/next-hwc (twitter.com/_/status/1013954011689562112)
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@artlogic ↩️ fall of free hosted websites like Geocities helped kill them off. Yahoo ruining http://Webring.org didn't help either. I was a Ringmaster of severa ...
https://ramblinggit.com/2018/07/thoughts-on-webrings-past-and-webrings-future/
#Google #indieweb #searchengines… (twitter.com/_/status/1013957122453716992)
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@Jaredewy ↩️ Thank you, Greg... and Jen (the hashtag blessed. Wow.) I’ll be piecing some video together this week. I greatly appreciate the insight from #IndieWebCamp. Now to get our home brew club going . (twitter.com/_/status/1013961040986439680)
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gRegorLove !tell eddie I made some updates on /read and /indiebookclub Let me know if you have any questions
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@schmarty Recaps from the 8th annual IndieWeb Summit, Indigenous and Aperture open to the public, and announcing IndieWebCamp Berlin 2018. It's your ~10min update on the #IndieWeb community!
This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for June 23rd - 29th, 2018.
https://martymcgui.re/2018/07/02/233758/ (twitter.com/_/status/1013991968245014528)
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# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ @Jaredewy @namedotcom @jgmac1106 With your domain name @Jaredewy, I think that you automatically win the #IndieWeb.
https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/02/reply-to-jaredewy/ (twitter.com/_/status/1013995363630346242)
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@cleverdevil I whipped up a quick plugin for @WithKnown to publish GitHub issues and comments on your own site, with automatic syndication to GitHub via Bridgy – https://github.com/cleverdevil/Known-GitHub #OwnYourIssues #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1014005695514075136)
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Loqi An issue tracker is a place to post and discuss issues like bugs & feature requests https://indieweb.org/issues
# Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/cleverdevil/Known-GitHub" to the "See Also" section of /issue_tracker https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=49538&oldid=45369
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@kickscondor If you want to "upvote" a link on http://Indieweb.xyz, bookmark the link on your blog, include a normal http://Indieweb.xyz u-syndication link in the entry and fire off your Webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/1014025660149391360)
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@huffduffer This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • June 23rd - 29th, 2018 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/489991 (twitter.com/_/status/1014042184000114691)
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tantek__ then there's this - might want to check your sent txts if you have a Samsung phone: https://www.engadget.com/2018/07/02/samsung-texting-app-randomly-sends-messages/
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@sl007 "
The increasing centralization of the Web has “ended up producing—with no deliberate action of the people who designed the platform—a large-scale emergent phenomenon which is anti-human.”
" #solid,
also features @rhiaro #activitypub
#indieweb @wblau @VanityFair nice piece ! (twitter.com/_/status/1014064111565582337)
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@kevinmarks “The truth is that the ability to build Facebook-like services is relatively common. What was rare was the moral recklessness necessary to go through with it.” @doctorow #Indieweb http://locusmag.com/2018/07/cory-doctorow-zucks-empire-of-oily-rags/ (twitter.com/_/status/1014064616026955778)
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@FreieKultur ↩️ Denkst du, ihr könnt das mit dem IndieWeb und DoOO nochmal ganz einfach herunterbrechen im Podcast? Wie fängt man ganz einfach an, wie könnte man es mit Studierenden oder SchülerInnen niederschwellig aufbauen? (twitter.com/_/status/1014078373868507136)
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@mihai In remembrance of Google Reader being shut down 5 years ago, I've resurrected a snapshot of it: http://readerisdead.com/reader (twitter.com/_/status/1013790759990935555)
# @kevinmarks ↩️ @mihai What would it take to wire this up to a microsub server? https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/1014093088183214081)
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[jgmac1106] morning #indieweb
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[wiobyrne] Morning IndieWeb
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# [jgmac1106] [wiobyrne] good morning
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[Vanessa] Hello [jgmac1106] afternoon off work for me. Yaay. 😇
# [Vanessa] Hello [wiobyrne] thanks for the encouragement with my user page. Wouldn't have done it without your help!
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# [jgmac1106] [Vanessa] and [wiobyrne] if either of you can document what help was needed and any pain points be great. Did you use any of the wiki pages or rely on community help mroe etc
# [jgmac1106] hey @skippy
# [Vanessa] [jgmac1106] OK will do later. At the hair salon currently. 😇 I did a rather long blog post about my initial progress with the Indieweb but haven't written much since then.
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@JasonNeel “Are we headed toward an Orwellian future where a handful of corporations monitor and control our lives?”
(℅ @adacti) #IndieWeb https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/the-man-who-created-the-world-wide-web-has-some-regrets (twitter.com/_/status/1014133652920381440)
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@jgmac1106 Great news! @CathieLeBlanc has joined us as a leader and organizer for #IWC NYC. If you are interested in #IndieWeb and live in or around the Cit….stay tuned!!!
Also on: https://is.gd/ivBJIk (twitter.com/_/status/1014133769823977474)
# @JasonNeel “…are we on the verge of creating a better version of society online, one where the free flow of ideas and information helps cure disease, expose corruption, reverse injustices?”
(℅ @adactio) #IndieWeb
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/the-man-who-created-the-world-wide-web-has-some-regrets (twitter.com/_/status/1014133938997035008)
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# [wiobyrne] Hey [Vanessa] that was all you and your hard work. Now on to building & breaking other things. :)
# [Vanessa] [wiobyrne] Yup, already failed to get the Indiebookclub to work (but not my fault I believe). I have successfully excluded a category from home page & rss feed. Need to figure out the webring now.
# [jgmac1106] [aaronpk] is playing with approach that will use webhooks to find the hcard on your website to make getting on the wiki and IndieWeb chat easier to understand but any notes, even in #meta on how you did it where you needed help will be great
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# [jgmac1106] [Vanessa] WordPress may have authorization problems with Indiebookclub, not your fault at all
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# [stefp] I can authorise Wordpress with Indiebookclub but it’s giving me a 403 Forbidden error today. Must be problems at that end.
# [wiobyrne] [Vanessa] I'm loving the photos. What is your process for taking/posting the photos? Are you using mobile and an app, or a camera and uploading later...or some mixture of the above?
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# [stefp] Forget my previous post. Seems to be a problem at my end.
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# [Vanessa] [wiobyrne] It varies. For single snaps taken on my phone I generally post using the micro.blog app. I tend to use ProCamera and Cortex Cam for low light shots.
# [Vanessa] When I'm using one of my other cameras (Panasonic TZ70 or Pentax K30) I download them at home, upload to WordPress & post from the admin panel. Or to the admin panel on my other site hazardwarning.me.uk (which isn't on WordPress & isn't indie - yet).
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# [Vanessa] [jgmac1106] The wiki page for creating user could be more helpful. It starts off with suggesting creating an h-card. For someone who has started with WordPress, then the Indieweb plugin, they may not know html, they have probably not seen their h-card. I assumed that whatever I wrote had to be in html, there's nothing to indicate otherwise.
# [Vanessa] Better if it said, after "edit this page" just type in the editing area, give your name, a bit about yourself etc. Then go into h-cards etc.
# [Vanessa] I had no trouble logging in, but it wasn't until [wiobyrne] told me I could just type words in and that would work, that I made any progress, cos I was trying to use html, which I don't really know.
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# [wiobyrne] Thanks. The photos are beautiful.
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# [wiobyrne] In the past I had a project in which I would share one photo per week and hashtag it #52 weeks. I edited all of these into a movie at the end. Recently, I've been playing with 1 second everyday (https://1se.co/) and I'll edit these into a video at the end. The challenge is that I'd like to have these live on my domain.
# [wiobyrne] I lost my photos from my #52pics project as they were all uploaded to TwitPic. These videos for one second everyday are on their servers. I have backups on Google Photos...but...
# [wiobyrne] I'd like to do this all from my website...without killing my hosting space/fees.
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# [wiobyrne] I would love something like this. I'd start testing it out now. I'm using their app & services. I'm backing up the files to Snapchat (for my Wife) and also to Google Photos.
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[eddie] chrisaldrich++ I started "Following" your "Following Feed" (Follow Inception!) in my "Recommended Stuff" channel. Where I subscribe to people's likes feeds, bookmarks feeds, etc. Pretty useful to be able to see what other people are following as it happens, but in a way that I can control, rather than FB nagging me about following someone
# Loqi [eddie]: gRegorLove left you a message 12 hours, 50 minutes ago: I made some updates on /read and /indiebookclub Let me know if you have any questions
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# [Vanessa] Just used the template on the wikifying yourself page to add the panel & that was really straightforward - nice!
# @kickscondor @jgmac1106 Thankyou for your Webmention to http://Indieweb.xyz! I fixed a few bugs as a result and resubmitted the Webmention. Really appreciate it. (twitter.com/_/status/1014174218076819456)
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@aaronpk ↩️ @jameshull Probably better to debug in the chat, Eddie (who made Indigenous) can help out there too. https://indieweb.org/discuss (twitter.com/_/status/1014175524493484032)
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[chrisaldrich] [wiobyrne] While TwitPic the service doesn't exist anymore, if you've still got the permalinks for your content, the linked photos will still resolve and you can download them.
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@benwerd ↩️ Hi, mate. I do fund and I can tell you that the work being done at @indie, in the #indieweb community, in #decentralization movements and by activists in general is shaping the future of the Internet in a major way. And criticism is part of growth. (twitter.com/_/status/1014180352439406592)
# [chrisaldrich] [eddie] 🎉
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@ton_zylstra Describing my ideal RSS reader, https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2018/07/my-ideal-rss-reader/ Maybe @TinyTinyRss_com can be the starting point for some tinkering #Indieweb #RSS (twitter.com/_/status/1014181555709890560)
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# @aaronpk ↩️ Pretty cool ideas! You can definitely create the group/folder model with the current #indieweb readers. I'd love to add a search feature to Monocle and Aperture too! (twitter.com/_/status/1014192703116988417)
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@ProfZappo ↩️ Ich habe jetzt mal eine kleine Friendica-Instanz installiert. Es gibt auch noch Mastodon und andere Sachen. Etwas mehr Indieweb/Fediversum würde dem Netz echt gut tun. (twitter.com/_/status/1014197681529479169)
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@manton2 After taking a month off from Timetable, I posted a new episode this morning with some thoughts from Portland and recent work on http://Micro.blog. http://timetable.manton.org/2018/07/episode-103-indieweb-summit/ (twitter.com/_/status/1014199996135165952)
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# [wiobyrne] Thanks chrisaldrich++
# [wiobyrne] I'll head back and hunt them down.
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# Loqi A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page https://indieweb.org/note
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# gRegorLove Quill does
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# sketchess Good morning everyone.
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[kevinmarks] Morning sketchess
# sketchess Hey Kevin. How are you?
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# sketchess seemingly busy..... :)
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# [jgmac1106] Hey @sketchess
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# sketchess greetings jgmac1106
# sketchess What is POSH?
# Loqi POSH is Plain Old Semantic HTML - see http://microformats.org/wiki/posh https://indieweb.org/POSH
# sketchess What is semantic HTML?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "semantic HTML" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "semantic HTML is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# sketchess Oh, what a rabbit hole........
# [jgmac1106] Semantic HTML is the use of HTML markup to capture the meaning of a page rather than relying on the copy, content, and design of a website.
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KartikPrabhu sketchess: it only means sensible HTML markup
# sketchess I am not a tech pro. I try to understand the microformats wiki. It leaves me with more questions than answers, so far.
# KartikPrabhu sketchess: I am not a tech pro either so not to worry about that. Feel free to ask questions about confusing things
# sketchess I am kind of confused. I am working with HTML5. ...... POSH is asking for older HTML like XHTML, which I left behind me.
# KartikPrabhu sketchess: no POSH is not asking for XHTML. Use whatever HTML you want as it makes sense
# KartikPrabhu microformats parsers don't really care if you use HTML5 or XHTML or XML
# sketchess Is the wiki not up to date?
# KartikPrabhu possibly not
# sketchess That is even more confusing.....
# KartikPrabhu but again that page has very little to do with using microformats. It is a recommendation about writing sensible HTML
# gRegorLove The microformats wiki page on POSH is older, references HTML4 and XHTML. Same applies to HTML5 though, including newer, semantic elements in HTML5
# KartikPrabhu right ^
# KartikPrabhu basically it says "don't use <div> when you mean <button> or <p>
# sketchess What does that mean 'sensible'?
# gRegorLove What are you working on currently, sketchess?
# sketchess my webproject Gregor
# sketchess Is their a way to check, if a microformat is working?
# KartikPrabhu sketchess: yes! you can try it out on http://pin13.net/mf2-dev/
# KartikPrabhu or on other parsers https://microformats.io/#parsers
# KartikPrabhu again some parsers might behave differently sometimes
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# @ton_zylstra Added a properly microformatted h-card to my blog’s sidebar about widget at https://zylstra.org/blog incl pgp key. Baby #indieweb steps. (twitter.com/_/status/1014231233147088897)
# sketchess Is it worth it.... implementing microformats?
# KartikPrabhu depends on what you are using it for?
# KartikPrabhu microformats are useful if you want other people to parse your page to get information from it
# KartikPrabhu if you want to simply display something in a browser HTML is fine
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# sketchess Well, I doubt that I have a propper understanding what the term 'parsing' even means. That's why I try to find out, if it will be a waste of time for me or not.
# KartikPrabhu sketchess: the point is what is your goal?
# sketchess good question.... I have no idea
# KartikPrabhu then that is first thing to decide rather than whether to use microformats or not
# sketchess Where you asking in general terms or specifically?
# [kevinmarks] The specific indieweb value is that if you use microformats then our tools have a better chance of understanding what your page is about. Is it a post, a note, a reply, an event, a list of posts; who wrote it, what is their name and photo etc
# KartikPrabhu specifically. If the term "parsing" means nothing to you then you probably don't need it
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# sketchess hah....that made me remember a thing.... I considered the slight use of microformats because of search engines....
# KartikPrabhu I doubt if search engines care too much about microformats
# KartikPrabhu and IMO, that is not a good use-case for microformats anyway
# gRegorLove sketchess: aaronpk's post about sending your first webmention walks through adding microformats and shows the advantage they give when it comes to commenting across indieweb sites: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/30/11/your-first-webmention
# KartikPrabhu right. Microformats are more useful for stuff like that^ sending your replies/likes to other indiewebsites etc... rather than search engines
# gRegorLove It can let the receiving site show your name, photo, etc.
# sketchess Thank you Kartrik, webmentions are not my thing.
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# KartikPrabhu sketchess: right. So it depends on what your thing is. Pick the tool that does what you want
# sketchess in other words, in my case it is more a waste of time..... I always wondered if it would be of a good use, if for example a links is stated as a gateway to other language version of a specific website. stuff like that
# KartikPrabhu sketchess: those things are useful and are handled by rel-alternate and lang attributes
# sketchess well I make use of lang...
# KartikPrabhu right, if you use rel="alternate" along with lang on a link it means "here is an alternate version of this page in this language"
# KartikPrabhu no need to microformats for that
# sketchess I wish, I could understand more of tech stuff and all those differences. Kowing any good place to learn more of kind of that code.
# sketchess ?
# KartikPrabhu I don't know of anything comprehensive since it depends on the usage
# KartikPrabhu Imostly learn these things by doing them and asking questions to people who might know
# sketchess I learn by seen code examples, play and trying out all kind of things I possibly / might could put together and see what and how it works in the end.
# sketchess a hint like rel="alternate" by itself does not have much meaning for me
# sketchess the context is key
# KartikPrabhu rel="alternate" is useful in conjuction with other properties. With lang it is a version in a differnet language. With type="application/atom+xml" it is an Atom feed etc...
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stevestreza `rel` specifies the link's relationship, there's a bunch of common rel types here https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Link_types
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# sketchess That is very sweet of you guys. my problem is more of the correct syntax of code... ist metters a lot if you have to put it u7x$ bab or bab u7x$.
# sketchess -s e=a
# KartikPrabhu has no idea what that syntax is
# sketchess a random word group
# sketchess switching their positions to make my point
# KartikPrabhu not sure why that is relevant. HTML attributes are independent of the order
# KartikPrabhu lang="fr" rel="alternate" is the same as rel="alternate" lang="fr"
# sketchess but.... html tags can have the nature of a sentence in itself...
# KartikPrabhu this is getting too much into "philosophy" for me
# sketchess I stop here..... you don't have to bother. I know that my brain works different. You probably can't see the same odd patterns, I do. And you probably don't have huge problems with letters and words.
# sketchess Thanks for all your efforts. I appreciate that a lot.
# sketchess enjoy your day.... bedtime.... have a good one
# [kevinmarks] If you do want to mark things up for search engines and silos, they all want their own special markup.
# sketchess interesting information, thanks
# [kevinmarks] http://www.kevinmarks.com/partialsilos.html talks about that and has examples
# sketchess silos are just waste of my time ;)
# sketchess bye
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@TheEconomist How would you build a more open world? We want to hear from you. Enter our #OpenFuture video contest https://econ.st/2tPjA7N https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhN46LpXUAARpjm.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1014287284504596482)
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@juanof9 2. "But like Sir Tim, many people have recently become more critical of it (...) At the heart of their disenchantment, this special report will argue, is that the internet has become much more “centralised” than it was even ten years ago." https://www.economist.com/special-report/2018/06/28/how-to-fix-what-has-gone-wrong-with-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1014022601256128512)
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