#indieweb 2018-07-04

2018-07-04 UTC
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tantek__ kevinmarks, thanks for the link, now reading https://www.economist.com/special-report/2018/06/28/how-to-fix-what-has-gone-wrong-with-the-internet
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tantek__ kevinmarks, that article was good, the sub-articles it links to were meh
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dolugbeal|imac Are there any IRC bouncers with RSS/h-feed support?
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tantek__ dougbeal, the chat.indieweb.org archives support h-feed
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dolugbeal|imac What does it run on?
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dolugbeal|imac What is chat.indieweb.org
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Loqi Join the #indieweb discussions via the web, IRC, Matrix or Slack, now with additional channels for dev, wordpress, and meta specific chat! https://indieweb.org/chat.indieweb.org
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jmac Haha, I got a (manual I guess?) webmention from someone's Mastodon
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jmac Used to tell me to use Mastodon more
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jmac thank you mastodonian
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[snarfed] jmac: maybe from https://fed.brid.gy !
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[snarfed] i guess you would have had to set it up
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jmac Bet you dollar I did and then forgot I did
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[tantek] IndieWeb spirit: https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1013846638425722880
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@jensimmons For a long time, our experience of being on the web was all about checking out particular websites, run-by-individual people, returning day after day to see what was new. Massive walled gardens weren’t on the web yet. Search was just meh. It was all about visiting your friends. (twitter.com/_/status/1013846638425722880)
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jmac No, I haven't set it up -- I don't have any of those wacky /.well-known/ redirects. But maybe I should!
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@cjwillcock HTML and CSS have very good semantic compatibility. Wait ... is that a thing? #Microformats #IndieWeb (https://cjwillcock.ca/2018/07/04/semantic-interoperability/) (twitter.com/_/status/1014345827932934144)
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jmac Wow, Salmon activities were called "slaps"? I'm kind of sorry this didn't catch on
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[tantek] Just goes to show clever naming is insufficient to succeed
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jmac a sobering lesson 🍣
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[tantek] But now we have /Salmentions! 😂
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gRegorLove "mastodonian" has a nice ring to it
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[jgmac1106] Need to give my house a url so I can checkin when I get home.
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@ton_zylstra To me it’s not just #IndieWeb, I also want to drive #IndieTech and #IndieMethods https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2018/07/indieweb-indietech-indiemethods/ (twitter.com/_/status/1014421957406752768)
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sknebel good morning indieweb!
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sknebel friendly reminder there's going to be a vHWC european time today: 15:30-18:30 UTC (or as long as people turn up and talk)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb, I have reawakened.
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sknebel !tell dougbeal: in case you haven't found it yet, https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] Morning. Holiday here in USA so may not be around for HWC-Europe
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GWG Holiday here so I can be around probably
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/next-hwc#Virtual_European_Time - if you have a topic you would like to come and discuss, GWG
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GWG Anything you plan on discussing?
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sknebel I'd start with IWS topic list and see what people want to talk about
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sknebel now that a few days have passed for thoughts to process, non-attendees have had a chance to catch up with etherpads and videos
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jgmac1106 made my house a website last night so I could check in when I got home: http://nuestracasa.glitch.me/
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Loqi McVerry's House
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Zegnat My house has a Facebook page, though I rarely check-in to it
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jgmac1106 yeah got in at 2am and had no way to check in so I threw that up right quick. Need to move it to a subdomian
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jgmac1106 and use a picture i own
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jgmac1106 my July 4th message: https://jgregorymcverry.com/happy-independence-day-take-stock-of-your-web-freedoms/
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Loqi Happy Independence Day! Take Stock of Your Web Freedoms #IndieWeb
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jgmac1106 now that I am home can write up my IndieWeb summit reports
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Zegnat Testing a different CMS to see if I like it, picked one that already has different post types support (a la Tumblr) so should be easy to indiewebify: https://cauliflower.zegnat.net/
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jgmac1106 lloks cool @zegnat, I may play and see if I can get FrancisCMS up and going on RoR
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@wiobyrne Three (possible) examples of annotations, bookmarking, & sharing in my digital commonplace book. Using Hypothesis (@hypothes_is) and my #IndieWeb website to curate content. http://bit.ly/2KLgEmv (twitter.com/_/status/1014492780796743680)
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dougbeal Thanks sknebel
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Loqi dougbeal: sknebel left you a message 2 hours, 8 minutes ago: in case you haven't found it yet, https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org
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sknebel it's only the frontend though, the IRC connection is part of magic Loqi sauce
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sknebel curious, what's your use case?
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dougbeal Tired of having a unique identity on each computer, and would prefer irc to slack for scrollsback
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dgold set up a znc bouncer on a vps
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dgold as much scrollback as you can shake a stick at
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GWG dgold: I never remember how to scrollback as much as I want, but I have a ZNC bouncer
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dgold GWG: meh, I just tend to grep over the logs
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dgold znc's logs, that it, not indieweb
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dougbeal dgold: that was my plan... but I noticed ZNC had a plugin API, so a microsub would be easy?
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dgold i honestly do now know, dougbeal, I've installed plugins, but have never worked on one
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dgold s/now/not
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sknebel hm, not sure how one would make chat logs look good in a reader
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dgold ^that
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sknebel I guess one could do a digest-like thing, putting the logs for a day of inactivity in a "post".
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jgmac1106 znc, api, vps, plugin….sounds lke dev-cat to me :)
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jgmac1106 not dev-cat, though that would be cool, dev-chat
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dougbeal I need to figure out baffle before writing any ZNC plugins ;)
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@jgmac1106 Spending the early morning of this Independence Day with some writing goals: -Wrap up from #IndieWeb Summit -Problem Statement for #IndieWeb LMS Grant Also on: https://is.gd/9UwXJG (twitter.com/_/status/1014504512122441728)
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dougbeal Anyone have a quantfied website page? Like uptime stats, vistor count?
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jgmac1106 adding a counter @dougbeal?
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dougbeal jgmac1106: yasss
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dgold huh, looking at this znc plugin - https://github.com/jreese/znc-push
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Loqi [jreese] znc-push: Push notification service module for ZNC
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dgold it looks like it _could_ do a micropub request...
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dougbeal dgold: ooh, push notifications for mentions...
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sknebel I'm kind of bored, if anyone wants virtual quiet writing hour I'm on the mumble server already
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jgmac1106 Okay I will hop on, and its mumble I don’t even have to find a shirt, just writing content today though, need to catch up
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@jgmac1106 #IndieWeb Summit: Resurrecting the Future's Past A Cambrian explosion of critiques have recently cascaded through my feeds discussing reality of the web. Vanity Fair, published a bipic piece on Tim Berners-Lee. The economist has a similar piece ... https://is.gd/DPtOPL (twitter.com/_/status/1014530214938988545)
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sknebel 2 minutes until vHWC!
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2018-07-04 5:30pm CEST (#6328)
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Loqi vHWC!
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sknebel jeremycherfas: petermolnar ancarda you around for vhwc? ( I realize I should have pinged you this morning, not now ;))
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petermolnar not today, sorry
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ancarda Lucky I am off work today, so yeah I can join
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ancarda Will Zegnat be joining?
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Zegnat Very probably. Just in a phone call right now.
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Zegnat Or, well, queueing for a phone call.
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@jgmac1106 It is coming, more a much larger exploration of the Diversity and Inclusion efforts around the #IndieWeb community. We had a long debate at the Diversity session run by Jean MacDonald around whether inclusive design should be included as ... https://is.gd/LvT7bT (twitter.com/_/status/1014538617438367744)
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@jgmac1106 I also believe we are recreating and enhancing the same inequality of the past rather than creating new inequalities. Yet if we are not careful these will amplify in scope. There are a diverse number of economic philosophies in the #IndieWeb ... https://is.gd/WeRaLe (twitter.com/_/status/1014540782643105792)
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@jackyalcine Good point @chosafine@tenforward.social. This is something that the IndieWeb is making strides in (though it's not focused on ActivityPub-esque stuff - that's the stuff that's mainstream - lol): https://tenforward.social/@chosafine/100317409534753501 (twitter.com/_/status/1014554532003508227)
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Zegnat Some interesting discussion on spam control and possible webmention attack vectors today at the vHWC EU. And I now have a list of microformats things to look into tomorrow :) Was nice catching up!
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[Vanessa] Sorry to have missed it. Had to meet up with people at a church so I could get to try out the organ before playing for a wedding on Saturday week. Person with key hadn't unlocked the church, so it was a slightly wasted trip. ☹
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Zegnat There’ll be more meetups :)
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GWG There are always more
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[Vanessa] This is no doubt true. Always more to talk about, more to learn, more to do. 😀
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @sirmlivesey Come on over to http://chat.indieweb.org to talk about that. (twitter.com/_/status/1014603720565325826)
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@bradenslen What the IndieWeb on WordPress needs: https://ramblinggit.com/2018/07/what-the-indieweb-on-wordpress-needs/ (twitter.com/_/status/1014641217425027072)
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GWG I get the frustration, but I have no idea what he's talking about.
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billbennettnz I'm not able to sign-in to the Indieweb web ring. The field doesn't like my URL: billbennett.co.nz . Is this a known problem?
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tantek__ I think it wants http/https:
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tantek__ also it doesn't like me (yet) because it doesn't support rel=me fallback / indielogin etc.
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billbennettnz doesn't like that either. I wonder if it's the .nz domain that's the problem or that I don't use www?
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billbennettnz hmm. I have all the indie web releases=me things set up... at least I think I do
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tantek__ right, I have rel=me setup also, i'm saying currently that's not enough
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GWG tantek__: I think that is what bradenslen was commenting on in that article.
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billbennettnz Yes, the bits don't always link as expected, as Brad says when it works it's all great...
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GWG billbennettnz: It's getting better. I think we really need efforts of people like jgmac1106 and chrisaldrich, who are documenting procedures.
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[miklb] found myself wanting a iOS share extension to do a micropub photo post directly from the Photos share sheet. I’m not aware of anything that does that though. Does it exist?
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[dougbeal] Looks like micro.blog client takes photos
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[dougbeal] You can point it at WordPress
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[dougbeal] https://dougbeal.com/2018/07/04/1653/. Need to fix featured images.
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Loqi [Douglas Beal] 4th in Queen Anne
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billbennettnz I though I might be able to use the Indie web ring with my Micro.blog address but that doesn't work either...