#indieweb 2018-07-08

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@zmoglesby IndieWeb Summit 2018 Recap: https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/07/indieweb-summit-2018-recap/ (twitter.com/_/status/1015749598328049664)
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@nilshauk Nice to see the #IndieWeb movement pushing forward. https://youtu.be/Vcn9FJCEI1U (twitter.com/_/status/1015754832106401793)
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jmac I'm pursuing some post-Summit homework of trying to get a IW reader set up. I am a little confused.
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jmac I got myself set up with an Aperture account, hurrah! It suggested that I paste a "microsub" <link> onto my homepage, which I did, but I kinda don't know why
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jmac It kinda feels like tucking a dotfile into my homepage's <head> element? If that makes sense? (Does it make sense?)
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KartikPrabhu jmac: if it is super-dev oriented maybe indieweb-dev is a better spot
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jmac Like, the idea from here is that I then use a wholly separate application as my actual header, and it will read my IW preferences from that element stored on my website, because my reader will know what my domain is? Is that correct?
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jmac No, this is me trying to be a (technically-apt) enduser for once
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jmac I just wanna use a reader
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jmac I just don't know what I'm doing or why
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jmac I guess what I'm asking is "OK, I logged into Aperture. Uhhhh now what"
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: ^^
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aaronpk Guess I need some better onboarding instructions in Aperture
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aaronpk But, once you've added the link, you can log in to reader apps
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jmac aaronpk: That was my impression, but the two I've tried so far have complained that http://jmac.org doesn't have a micropub endpoint
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Loqi Jason McIntosh
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jmac Which, indeed, it does not
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jmac Loqi my friend
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jmac "The two I've tried so far" being Monocle and Indigenous
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jmac So either these are not reader apps in the way I expect, or I do have to go set up a micropub endpoint. I'm not sure which is true. (Perhaps both!)
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dougbeal jmac: If it helps any, https://alltogethernow.io/ is the only one that has succefully displayed feeds. I think I jamed up monocole trying to add baffle to it.
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jmac dougbeal: I tried that too, but couldn't even log in. :) ("Error getting auth url")
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aaronpk hmm. Did Monocle complain about the Micropub endpoint too? I thought it didn't care about that
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jmac aaronpk: Yeah, immediately after a login attempt: "missing_endpoint We didn't find a Micropub endpoint at your website"
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jmac (bright sides: (1) Hey, I got indieauth working, woooo (2) I am reminded why I got so excited about micropub at IWS and am doomed to set it up for myself. Eventually.)
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aaronpk jmac: whooops! my bad, I must have been lazy with that code in monocle!
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aaronpk I will update it to just disable all behavior that uses micropub if it can't find a micropub endpoint
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jmac Excellent
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jmac Until then, I have downloaded all of Manton's apps onto my iPhone, and now I'm checking out gRegorLove's indiebookclub, and that rounds it out for my initial one-week-on saturday-night post-IWS homework assignments
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aaronpk you won't be able to reply to things or favorite things, but you can still read stuff without micropub
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jmac yeah
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jmac All this is giving me food for thought on how I want my own IndieWeb setup, across my two domains.
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jmac I have been shy about publishing non-article posts to Fogknife, which I want to reserve for long-form articles; I didn't like the thought of it filling up with likes and notes and such
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aaronpk that's understandable
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aaronpk I took a different approach which is to make my "likes" never show up on my home page. they get a totally separate page on my site
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aaronpk many years ago, i used to have a separate blog site, but I moved those all to my main site when I gave up on the idea of maintaining any sort of separate persona for my blog posts
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jmac So I'm thinking it would make sense to set up a micropub service on jmac.org, and set aside a slice of that (a subdomain, perhaps) to hold all my posts of every type, and then POSSE just the article-type posts to Fogknife. With the goal that that website looks and works exactly the same as always.
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aaronpk interesting
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jmac Oh, ha, it sounds like I am thinking of what you have already given up on
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jmac I guess I consider Fogknife like a zine, separate from my web-presence, with its own title and everything, though it's explicitly only my own voice
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aaronpk oh i'm not saying it's a bad idea, I just wasn't willing to maintain that. just not my thing
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aaronpk I like thinking of it as a zine tho :)
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dougbeal Ah, I had a baffle microsub reference I had to remove. I guess Together handles multiple links
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@aaronpk ↩️ @andymci Agreed, and an open web doesn't imply a public web. We're experimenting with private content too! https://indieweb.org/private_posts (twitter.com/_/status/1015790541039026176)
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[johnjohnston] Hi Folks, looking for a little advice. Hopefully this is the right place. If not I'd appreciate a pointer in the right direction. I've set up an account on https://aperture.p3k.io. Added a few sources. Logged on to https://alltogethernow.io which says "Nothing to Show". Nothing shows up in Indigenous either. Blogs I am logging onto these services with is at http://johnjohnston.info/blog/ I've no clue where to start looking? Blog not at top l
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@OSemeniuta Apparently, the idea of self-hosting own blogs is called #IndieWeb now (kinda unusual thought in the age of FB/Instagram/Medium), https://indieweb.org/principles. The rationale reminded me @shanselman's interview @TWiT Triangulation (twitter.com/_/status/1015903464214417408)
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jgmac1106_ [johnjohnston] may have to wait for west coast to wake up for that answer
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[cleverdevil] Hey hey, I added support for categorization in Indiepaper - https://cleverdevil.io/s/v8lSSvbTQh.mp4
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[cleverdevil] Now, to run to my next flight 🙂
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jgmac1106_ awesome! Safe travels
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@jgmac1106 @ColumbusNYPL We are looking for a place to host an #IndieWebCamp Sept 14-16th or Sept 27-29th. Be an awesome opportunity TechConnect at the Columbs Branch. You already run so many programs aligned to #IndieWeb goals. Let's come together, ... https://is.gd/odquv7 (twitter.com/_/status/1015930864793014272)
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@jgmac1106 @ColumbusNYPL We are looking for a place to host an #IndieWebCamp Sept 14-16th or Sept 27-29th. Be an awesome opportunity TechConnect at the Columbs Branch. You already run so many programs aligned to #IndieWeb goals. Let’s come together, celebrate and… http://jgregorymcverry.com/4082-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1015930884267094016)
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@jgmac1106 Hey folks! I was wondering if @NYPLTechConnect would want to cosponsor and #IndieWeb camp in NYC Sept 14th-16th or 27th-29th. Be an awesome two day event on hacking a better future. Also on: https://is.gd/96nS3E (twitter.com/_/status/1015932142738649089)
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@jgmac1106 Hey folks! I was wondering if @NYPLTechConnect would want to cosponsor and #IndieWeb camp in NYC Sept 14th-16th or 27th-29th. Be an awesome two day event on hacking a better future. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4084-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1015932157683011585)
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pstuifzand [johnjohnston] I looked at your blog. The <link> is not in the <head> tag, that could be the problem
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pstuifzand [johnjohnston] I could also be that not all feeds have loaded yet in Aperture. You can see how many items are there https://publog.stuifzandapp.com/public/media/original/1320e5292f832873403ddcb77f35f78e2027eda837bde897d4c5a737e85e6ad0.png
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[johnjohnston] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FBLTL4TQV/feedsloaded.png?pub_secret=617d774ca7&name=feedsloaded.png
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[johnjohnston] @pstuifzand Thanks, There does seem to be some feeds loaded. I’ve added a link to the head. Logged out of altogether and now can’t log back in. I’ll give it a while and try again.
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[eddie] johnjohnston: I won’t be around much today, unfortunately as it’s my wife’s birthday. 🎉 but, are you trying to log in to Indigenous for iOS or Android?
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[johnjohnston] [eddie] Thanks, no rush. I am logging on iOS. I can post to my blog (as drafts) and don’t see the notice about no subs anymore. But don’t see posts from channels listed. Have a great Bday
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[eddie] Hmm interesting. Do you see the “Home” channel?
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[eddie] On the main screen it should have a list of Channels which as a new account should probably home and notifications
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sketchess good morning Indieweb
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Let Me Link to You" https://www.kickscondor.com/linkto/ (from https://www.kickscondor.com/2018/07/08/let-me-link-to-you/)
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@nilshauk Just added RelMeAuth to my site (https://indieweb.org/RelMeAuth). It assumes that I control my domain, so if the site on my domain has one or more links with rel="me" it can send me to for example http://github.com log me in there and verify that the account points back. (twitter.com/_/status/1015987050259124225)
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[johnjohnston] @eddie using 1.0.2 (18) https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FBL3Z166L/img_bf4484d874d2-1.jpeg?pub_secret=103b12c551&name=IMG_BF4484D874D2-1.jpeg I see nothing. although there are several items in channels in aperture.
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[kim_landwehr] [eddie] I am having the same issue no channels are loading. I have also tried Monocle and Together same thing, I can log in but no channels are loading
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dgold aaronpk++ for p3k.app
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Loqi aaronpk has 558 karma in this channel (1672 overall)
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dgold snarfed++ for granary.xyz
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Loqi snarfed has 315 karma in this channel (396 overall)
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dgold is genuinely moved
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[kevinmarks] comments << https://twitter.com/BootstrapCook/status/1016033576683540482?s=19
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@BootstrapCook After 6 years, I've closed the comments on Bootstrap. 280,000 of them. 4.2million seconds spent reviewing for threats and vitriol. 1,167 hours of dread and hesitation. 146 working days lost to ignorance and bile. Two dozen Police investigations. 10 hours sleep last night. https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DhmtJCpXcAAw5Za.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1016033576683540482)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/BootstrapCook/status/1016033576683540482?s=19" to the "See Also" section of /comments https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=49739&oldid=47905
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[mrkrndvs] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FBL5B7SHE/screenshot_20180709-072207.png?pub_secret=338947b30a&name=Screenshot_20180709-072207.png [kim_landwehr] [johnjohnston] I am on Android and seem to be having a similar experience there too:
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aaronpk hmm that's not good
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[mrkrndvs] The only thing that I am noticing with both Aperture and Indigenous [aaronpk] is that they are both giving me a 401 error / "unauthorised". However, Indigenous (on Android) is working fine so I kind of ignored it
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aaronpk aperture is saying that? where?
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[mrkrndvs] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FBM0TEX2R/screenshot_20180709-081425.png?pub_secret=5617b161c7&name=Screenshot_20180709-081425.png In the settings
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[kim_landwehr] Aperture
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[kim_landwehr] https://aperture.p3k.io/settings
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[kim_landwehr] not sure if this help but this is coming up under settings in aperature
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aaronpk oh hm, that is kind of misleading
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aaronpk that's probably not actually a problem, although it does indicate there might be a separate problem... hmm
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tantek__ kevinmarks, that Bootstrap related tweet — has nothing to with Bootstrap the Web UI framework right?
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KartikPrabhu tantek__: no, it seems like an indiewebsite https://cookingonabootstrap.com/
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tantek__ and it looks like WordPress at that
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tantek__ so that tweet about turning off comments is specifically about turning off native blog comments, in particular WordPress comments
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tantek__ goes to show that no amount of current plugins etc. stops the harms listed in the tweet from bad comments
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tantek__ !tell dgold from a few days ago, if you'd like to add more critical details with citations re: .io domain, I encourage you to do so here: https://indieweb.org/short-domains#io - good to have those criticisms documented with articles, plus makes it easier for others to naturally discover the problems with .io and avoid it, instead of having to depend on explaining it to everyone one at a time
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek__ BTW aaronpk now that my GitHub issues also have a proper reply-context in my homepage h-feed, are they looking any better in your reader setup?
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aaronpk yes!
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tantek__ (though hmm I may not have filed any new issues since I deployed that update so I'm not sure you would have seen anything different - my most recent new issues are from 2018-06-27)
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tantek__ oh cool
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-07-08-16-39-24-f2kyBl5yxX.jpg
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aaronpk those looked really weird out of context!
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tantek__ ah - yes those are the *comments* on GitHub issues
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tantek__ have had that working for a while
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tantek__ I just got the reply contexts on *new issues* working last week
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tantek__ -ish http://tantek.com/2018/181/t1/finished-indiewebsummit-coding-reply-contexts
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Finished my @IndieWebSummit coding project! Completed plain text readable reply-contexts^1 (instead of just URLs) for all responses; in particular got these working: * in-stream^2 for new GitHub issues * on permalinks for all replies & reacji^3   S...
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aaronpk ah gotcha, I don't think i've seen one recently
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