#indieweb 2018-07-10

2018-07-10 UTC
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aaronpk really need a good location editor for my website. i'm getting real tired of this workflow of looking up gps coordinates on google maps and entering them manually into my storage posts 😂
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@subwebz OAuth for the Open Web #IndieWeb via https://o.wzm.me/river/v/87913 https://aaronparecki.com/2018/07/07/7/oauth-for-the-open-web (twitter.com/_/status/1016477552519598080)
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tantek aaronpk, your watch does GPS right?
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tantek can you make a GPS equivalent of teacup that "just" posts your current lat/long to your site ;)
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tantek (with one tap)
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aaronpk oh i have a whole app for that, that's not the problem
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aaronpk https://overland.p3k.app/
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aaronpk but when i post an event in the future, i want to add the location of the event including the lat/lng
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tantek hence venues being a better UI than lat/lng
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tantek what is create event
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Loqi create event is the act of and UI for creating a new event post, in its simplest form a new event permalink https://indieweb.org/create_event
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tantek what is create location
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "create location" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "create location is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk in order to make a map, i need a lat/lng
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tantek ^^^ start that page with silo examples
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aaronpk in order to get a lat/lng i need some sort of search for the venue
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tantek e.g. Twitter, Swarm both have "nice" UIs for picking locations/venues which then also provide lat/long in the posts
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tantek no, both Twitter and Swarm show maps *without* making the user even *care* or *know* what lat/lng is
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aaronpk but since i'm building my site i do in fact need to care about the backend
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tantek you don't need lat/lng as part of the UI
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aaronpk i never said i needed it in the UI
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tantek that's the key
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tantek " i want to add the location of the event including the lat/lng" sounded like "part of the UI"
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aaronpk no i just need it bubbled through to the backend so i can make a map
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aaronpk right now quill has a text field for entering the location of an event, which isn't super helpful
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tantek right now I use URLs for venues, and then have a venue URL cache (in code) that links to @-names of venues
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tantek which my code then uses to POSSE the event to Twitter
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tantek that's how I do locations on my events
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tantek sorry that's getting more dev-like
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aaronpk i like being able to just type the name of the venue, i'll probably start with that instead of starting with entering URLs
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tantek auto-suggest drop down from venue cache should be doable
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tantek with combination of venue URL, venue name, venue @-name all in the auto-suggest
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gRegorLove cuibonobo[m], did your site die or did you switch domain names?
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cuibonobo[m] I think it has been wiped and restarted (probably several times) since the last time I've been around
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GWG aaronpk, tantek, venue ui is a long standing one on my list
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Adrian Tried logging in to indirweb with my micro.blog hosted site. No luck
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Adrian I'm using my own domain. Izq.fm
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aaronpk Adrian: when I visit that domain it says it's for sale and has a bunch of ads on it
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[eddie] Adrian: I’m assuming you just recently set up this domain name? I see your micro.blog site, but aaronpk mentioned he sees a placeholder site. This tells me that the records that point your domain to micro.blog is still taking time to spread across the internet. It should probably be fully functional between 24-48 hours of when you set it up with micro.blog
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aaronpk wow!
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[cleverdevil] [eddie] that's for reporting that issue, I am now checking for a minimum of a 'name' and 'content' property to be returned from mf2py before falling back to mercury.
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[cleverdevil] I've deployed an updated version of Indiepaper, and tested with the article you included in the submission.
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KartikPrabhu ooh another "big" user of mf2py! fun!
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[cleverdevil] [aaronpk] what do you think about an update to microsub to allow clients to filter channels by the `category` property of the items in the channel?
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aaronpk [cleverdevil]: I think it sounds like a fun UI challenge and also a small can of worms, but worth experimenting with
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aaronpk I'd say start with mocking up how you want it to look in a reader and let's see if we can get a couple people on board
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[cleverdevil] :thumbsup:
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tantek__ what is snitch tagging
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "snitch tagging" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "snitch tagging is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__ (I can't believe I'm saying that)
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tantek__ snitch tagging is a special case of explicitly person-mentioning someone in a [[reply]] to or [[quotation]] of a post which mentions (usually critically) that same someone more obliquely (like plain text or a nickname) as a way of notifying that person of the critique, either as a heads-up, or perhaps in agreement with the critique.
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Loqi ok
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tantek__ snitch tagging << 2018-06-05 Mashable: [https://mashable.com/2018/06/05/snitch-tagging/ Snitch tagging is ruining the internet. Stop it.]
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-06-05 Mashable: [https://mashable.com/2018/06/05/snitch-tagging/ Snitch tagging is ruining the internet. Stop it.]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /snitch_tagging https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=49784&oldid=49783
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tantek__ snitch tagging << https://twitter.com/BootstrapCook/status/1016413720598269956?s=19
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@BootstrapCook @Crazi_crafter @DavidDavisMP nobody likes a snitch tagger babe (twitter.com/_/status/1016413720598269956)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/BootstrapCook/status/1016413720598269956?s=19" to the "See Also" section of /snitch_tagging https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=49785&oldid=49784
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tantek__ courtesy of kevinmarks
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[kevinmarks] https://amp.ft.com/content/d56744a0-835c-11e8-9199-c2a4754b5a0e?__indieweb_impression=true
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jgmac1106_ morning IndieWeb
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dgold hey hey
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jgmac1106_ [kevinmarks] if you have archived copy of that article love to use it in class
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jgmac1106_ hey [dgold]
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dgold do I get [square brackets]?
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dgold hmmmm, might start using «dgold» on my own slack<->irc bridge
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dgold think it looks better
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jgmac1106_ dgold sometimes I forget if I am in Slack or IRC and may @ or [] incorrectly in wrong platform
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dgold :)
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@jgmac1106 The elementor pagebuilder plays so nice with post-kinds gonna have a ton of fun fooling around with new ways to display #IndieWeb posts, plus I can start using categories again! Also on: https://is.gd/tq7Q7f (twitter.com/_/status/1016635657324777474)
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jgmac1106_ can…should photo posts have titles?
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@jgmac1106 @cathieleblanc @lovi I was able to get a grid view of photos on my #IndieWeb site. I have to add the photo url in the response properties and also as a featured image. Not sure I need it body of photo (creates double photos). This could be the ... https://is.gd/zq34Wb (twitter.com/_/status/1016642866486050817)
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skippy hello indieweb.
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[kevinmarks] hm, I saw it on my phone without logging in
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[cjwillcock] good morning indieweb
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sknebel good morning
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[eddie] [jgmac1106] precedent says if it’s an Instagram type photo post, no. If it’s a blog post with photos, then yes.
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[wiobyrne] Good morning IndieWeb
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skippy hi there.
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I might do it…we could even set it up to help folks getoff of platforms like Weebly and on to a Domain of their own where we can then use cool #IndieWeb stuff (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4191-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1016682124143886337)
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jgmac1106_ mornign [wiobryne]
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[jgmac1106] thx [eddie] I don't Instagram so I guess if I title photos no big issues, any time you add a photo to Indigenous it woll convert a note to a photo post-kind on my theme anyways
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[eddie] I guess by saying Instagram, I mean "Photo" posts as opposed to "Blog Posts with Photos"
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[eddie] When an mf2 parser sees a title (aka name) it will see it as a blog post, as opposed to a photo post
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aaronpk flickr photos have names
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jgmac1106_ grrrr [aaronpk] why complicate things….actually that is important to note as I am trying to add the correct mf2 to my flickr citation tool
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aaronpk heh
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jgmac1106_ first pass I made everything u-photo, realized I need three different bookmarks, u-photo,
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jgmac1106_ I was all set on never have a title…but was going to start syndicatign to flickr, too bad you can’t pesos from Google Photos, there is Wordpress.com integration
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jgmac1106_ I did lose my flickr fave feed but that is because I think it is flash, tried to create an iframe but bo go
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jgmac1106_ this is where I got on that, need to finish my cc flickr attirbution tool: https://github.com/jgmac1106/flickr-cc-helper/commit/88d6c361812a5ed543c4dfdd33f113dcc932f2d4
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jgmac1106_ an interesting distinction between photography as art “has title” and photography as memories “no title”
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[kevinmarks] https://www.ietf.org/blog/consolidation/
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: https://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2018-06/10years.html
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@nilshauk Currently adding v-card support to my site thanks to https://indiewebify.me . :) #indieweb https://t.co/COCCQFPY71 (twitter.com/_/status/1016749560461447169)
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jackjamieson Hello IndieWeb
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KartikPrabhu jackjamieson: hi
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[kiai] Hello #indieweb! So much activity, it's great. I've been away hammering away at my business plan for a social media site promoting social equity. Judging by the chatter here, I just missed some very important stuff. Has anyone else had problems logging on to the wiki today?
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gRegorLove Hi [kiai]. I haven't had a problem. What message are you getting?
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gRegorLove And what domain are you signing in with?
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[kiai] Phishing at login https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FBNB6GL9K/indieweb.png?pub_secret=f0aa3bfcc5&name=indieweb.PNG From clicking "Login" on the indieweb.org wiki, this is what came up. Notice the URL.
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[kiai] [gregorlove] I was going to RSVP for Wednesday's homebrew. Used Chrome. Just tried on Firefox. I see what's happening. SSO in beta?
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gRegorLove Whoa, that's really weird; I haven't seen that before. aaronpk?^
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snarfed [kiai]: heh, sorry for the trouble. i believe that's actually legit; aaronpk is migrating indieauth.com to indielogin.com (and others). may have some homework to do to keep that change off various blacklists
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[kiai] Thanks [snarfed]. I just want to know if homebrew is happening in SF on Wednesday. Planning to be there. Finally able to get back to work on the web!
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sknebel it's not just a migration though, but a different site... that randomly ending up on a blacklist seems annoying
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sknebel (fwiw, this *might* be the correct false-positive report form, AVG's website isn't great: https://www.avg.com/en-us/false-positive-file-form )
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[kiai] Tantek wasn't RSVPed, so... sent him a DM. ... @sknebel was just about to say something about AVG.
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gRegorLove SF HWC should still be on, afaik.
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[kiai] Would whitelisting indielogin.com from here help AVG?
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[kiai] Or should I uninstall AVG and install something else? Alas, on Windows.
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aaronpk what the
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aaronpk what is "URL:Phisning"
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "URL:Phisning" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "URL:Phisning is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk Phishing
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gRegorLove [kiai], whitelisting indielogin.com should work
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aaronpk no idea what's triggering AVG to think it's an attack...
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sknebel aaronpk: looks like you ended up on some domain blacklist
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snarfed (i expect URL:Phishing is AVG's own term)
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sknebel try the link I posted to report false positive?
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aaronpk okay, reported as a false positive
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aaronpk no idea if I get any feedback on that or anything
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[kiai] I don't know which website to use to log in. Where would i put the login markup on a Known site?
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aaronpk [kiai]: you likely don't need to do anything special for a Known site, it should work already. did you get past the AVG error?
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[kiai] [aaronpk] Yes, I added indielogin.com as a trusted site on AVG (menu -> Settings -> Exceptions -> URL).
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aaronpk so now what happens when you log in to the wiki?
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aaronpk (indielogin.com should be telling you what to do next if there's something missing)
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[kiai] Nothing. I tried using my Known site for login and got instructions.
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aaronpk instructions?
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[kiai] Just tried on Firefox, and it worked
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[kiai] Maybe I was missing http
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[kiai] yeah, told me I had to paste markup on my site.
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[kiai] Must include http apparently
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aaronpk hm it should have added http for you
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[kiai] It was Chrome...
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gRegorLove Chrome adds the http for me when I submit
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aaronpk are these the instructions you're talking about? https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-07-10-13-15-41-9cEEdxnMOi.jpg
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[kiai] yes
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aaronpk ah I see.. that's misleading. I should move those
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[kiai] Maybe I didn't click Sign In. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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aaronpk yeah that page makes it look like something is wrong, when really it's just asking you to enter your website
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[tantek] Yes SF HWC is on. Still catching up on all the things and haven’t posted the indie event yet (which is when I also update the rsvp)
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aaronpk oh no facebook added "list" posts?
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snarfed ooh may be the first new feature i don't even have to consider supporting any more, since FB is dead to me
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snarfed s/me/bridgy/
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aaronpk hahaha aww
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Loqi rofl
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snarfed basks
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@00d4n1_ebooks If i search for my indieweb ostatus identifier from masto well, glitchsoc,…. (twitter.com/_/status/1016793336726937600)
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gRegorLove Oh yeah, guess that led to one of your favorite activities, snarfed: deleting code :)
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@jgmac1106 Because of the #IndiewebRing I discovered @schmarty's, whose hacking away at the tech for #IndieWeb WebRings Podcast We Have to Ask Podcast , Funny stuff. Nice concise format…that gets derailed nicely.Looks like I am going in deep? ... https://is.gd/dWKMz4 (twitter.com/_/status/1016832441942794240)