#indieweb 2018-07-11

2018-07-11 UTC
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tantek__
what is is.gd?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "is.gd" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "is.gd is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__
jgmac1106_: is there a reason you're using a 3rd party URL shortener in your POSSE tweets?
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jgmac1106_
its not on purpose, if I am replying to stuff on Twitter I use brid.gy, been using SNAP iif doing replies to other sites and syndicating that to twitter
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jgmac1106_
maybe that introduced the shortner, which post?
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jgmac1106_
found it, it is a setting in SNAP
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[jgarber]
lol is.gd is still around?!
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jgmac1106_
heading to wordpress
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jgmac1106_
Good night IndieWeb out of gas, see folks in the morning
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Loqi
ciao
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gRegorLove
Interesting ethics page they have: https://is.gd/ethics.php
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jgmac1106_
we need to get this Richard West and this UK host Mesmet to build indieweb tools into their stuff, now I am really off
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@jgmac1106
Congrats and especially if your birthday post was your first. Matt I came to the same conclusion, for a long time I just did my IndieWeb stuff from a subdomain using @withknown, been all-in on WordPress for a few months now. If you want turnkey ... https://is.gd/QXy9RN
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[jon]
i appreciate it as well, thanks [dgold] and for bringing it up
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@t
Event: Homebrew Website Club SF! At: 2018-07-11 17:30 @MozSF RSVP: http://tantek.com/e/4vP1
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tantek__
34 hours until MozFest 2018 AMA on Twitter (join by hashtagging posts with #mozfest) at 2018-07-12 09:00 EDT (13:00 UTC, 06:00 PDT). cc: adactio benwerd calumryan grantcodes tommorris
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 2018-07-12 6:01am PDT (#6331)
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@matpacker
I really like the idea of the IndieWeb, however, it’s not that easy to set things up on an existing website. So many things to change, accounts to delete, and other assorted break points that need to be managed. At this point, I’m thinking about nuking… https://matpacker.com/2018/07/11/joining-the-indieweb/
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KartikPrabhu
oh boy! what extreme thing @matpacker mean ?
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tantek__
well he does have WordPress currently so ... maybe we need someone from the WordPress Outreach Team to reach out?
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[jgmac1106]
morning all, sent @mattpacker a note last night
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GWG
Oh?
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[pfefferle]
good morning
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jgmac1106_
yeah but it was a webmention….he may not have got it
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GWG
pfefferle, long time no chat
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jgmac1106_
yeah pfefferle, good to see you
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jgmac1106_
posted my comment to @matpacker natively as well
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jgmac1106_
alright off to right
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[pfefferle]
the theme part is still a hard thing
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[mrkrndvs]
Hey hey back, [pfefferle] I have returned to ZenPress 👍
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GWG
pfefferle, I may need to ask you a favor
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Loqi
[pfefferle] #38 Temporary change theme for Webmention request
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GWG
pfefferle, I am working to rewrite the Micropub plugin using the REST API. snarfed doesn't have as much experience and implied he might want someone to review the PR who is more familiar with Wordpress. Would you be able to look if needed?
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[pfefferle]
sure! (I love the change!) 😉
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[pfefferle]
in general
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[pfefferle]
let me know when you have a final state and I will have a look!
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GWG
pfefferle, I am breaking the changes into smaller PRs.
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GWG
But will do
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[pfefferle]
I am curious
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GWG
Look at the master branch of the plugin, then look at the restapi branch of my fork.
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GWG
I built it, but it is too big a change for one PR, so I am doing it in stages
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GWG
It was surprisingly easy to do.
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jgmac1106_
[wiobyrne] I ended up moving our chapters to scalar for fun: http://jgregorymcverry.com/longform/open-pedagogy/
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@jgmac1106
Brad, I didn't find one, but I don't use plugins that are 2-3 versions out of date. I am sure many will still work, why not just do it manually with an html widget? I did add a webring specifically for WordPress IndieWeb people you ... https://is.gd/ivx7SE
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skippy
I can't get over how much fun Monocle and Indigenous are. What an improvement to the feed reading experience.
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[jgmac1106]
I need to set up a reader only using Indigenous to write
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[jgmac1106]
thinking about how easy an IndieWeb FlipGrid approach would be looking at how indiewebnews and indieweb.xyz syndicate, especially all micro.blog microcast
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KartikPrabhu
what is FlipGrid?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "FlipGrid" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "FlipGrid is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove
Hola, #indieweb
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@wiobyrne
↩️ I think that would fit the bill. I've been researching it a bit more to showcase pubs on my site. Depending on the population, I would focus on domain of one's own (#DoOO), #IndieWeb and Hypothesis ( @hypothes_is That's my intersection currently.
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[wiobyrne]
Hola [gregorlove]!
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aaronpk
got a response back from AVG about indielogin.com
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aaronpk
"The detection by AVG was incorrect and was removed in a recent AVG update, please wait at least 24 hours."
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snarfed1
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 560 karma in this channel (1676 overall)
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chrisaldrich
good morning fellow tinkerers
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chrisaldrich
Do any social silos have features/functionality for temporarily cloaking/404ing one's account when they become the target of unwanted attention or harassment?
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dougbeal
Hi indieweb
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chrisaldrich
I'm curious after reading a piece by Ella Dawson on the #PlaneBae story this week https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/10/we-are-all-public-figures-now-ella-dawson/
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chrisaldrich
On one's own website they could temporarily turn things off, but I don't think many social silos would allow it (or allow it retroactively upon major traffic spikes)
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sknebel
chrisaldrich: I see people locking their twitter accounts to followers only in cases like that
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[wiobyrne]
Good question Chris. This is something that is a necessity if/when things get hostile and trollish. People will want a want to have some amount of control, or recourse if things go sideways.
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chrisaldrich
The tough part highlighted by the article is that one doesn't necessarily know when such an "attack" might happen.
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chrisaldrich
Or one might be trapped on a plane without access only to arrive at a destination as a target of harassment
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chrisaldrich
Instagram and Twitter will allow you to switch your account to "private" in some sense, but knowing you're a potential target then becomes the problem to solve.
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[wiobyrne]
I'd also think about those people that receive bad news, or a death in the family. Social media (Facebook) pulls that content into reminders for better or worse after the fact. I can only imagine if that gummed up the works in your mentions.
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sketchess
good morning Indieweb
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sketchess
hmmm.... what's that about?
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stevestreza
Good morning! o/
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sketchess
will never understand why people are in to social media^^
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sketchess
I miss the good old web days.
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sketchess
no accounts, no trouble :)
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[wiobyrne]
Good points sketchess. We're hooked on a drug that is bad for us. Each week in my newsletter I keep researching and writing stories that boil down to the same message..."this stuff is bad for us...when will we learn."
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[wiobyrne]
I wonder if 20 years from now we'll look at movies and tv where people use social networks and we'll think...oh, that was so silly...In much of the same way that we (I) look at people smoking on tv and movies.
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[wiobyrne]
Or...we'll all be cyborgs and plugged into VR rigs like Ready Player One and not care about anything else. 😉
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chrisaldrich
Or a split version of the two and we'll go by the names Eloi and Morlocks...
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sketchess
Drug? What do you mean?
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sketchess
Serious, I do not get it? This stuff is so useless and such a waste of time.
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@jgmac1106
I am not at #CMK18 but making in spirit as I hack way at my own blog with #Indieweb love and then work with #NHV teachers to utilize GIS in the classroom and to design role playing avatars to teach sourcing skills. Also on: https://is.gd/PKFnbx
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[wiobyrne]
I called it a drug because of the negative effects, or as you suggested it is a "waste of time." And yet, we continue to be hooked on it. Some of us more than others.
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[dougbeal]
Does anyone have an about/author page with progressive disclosure? Like if you logged in you would see more details?
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sketchess
Isn't it sadly hilarious that articles targeting that topic even exist. I gave up to even maybe consider trying to use a lazy making service provider. I am not chearing for their programers and maintainers. In my eyes they did a bad job. To use their stuff remains a pain. Just like so.
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sketchess
ah.... cheer
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sketchess
said a person who even customizes her windows system as much as possible to own abilities, never will be happy using default programs
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sketchess
Are getting kids still thaught how to create and build something of their own in school of today?
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[jgmac1106]
@sketchess the entire point of #cmk18 is just to make stuff they have sewing machinges, 3d printers, and paper and pencils
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sketchess
#cmk18?
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sketchess
Is that a user name I did miss, jgmac1106?
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[jgmac1106]
ooh no, I was just tweeting about #cmk18 at same time, I thought your question was in reference to my post, my apologies
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sketchess
I see. I wondered a little how you built the brigde between computer lessons and housecraft lessons.
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sketchess
ah their a hiding the letters......... painted in blue
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sketchess
there are
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sketchess
Were you currently becoming a little bit happier with your wordpress, jgmac1106?
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[jgmac1106]
yes @sketchess, figured a good medium between the use of post kinds and the visual navigation I wanted, have some tweaks to make but at least have a recommendation I can use with my students that uses an IndieWeb theme without stripping away all design autonomy
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sketchess
hopefully I will have mastered programing one day
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[jgmac1106]
ohh and back to your audio chat stuff making this stuff with participants: http://jgregorymcverry.com/using-avatars-as-an-inquiry-tool-in-social-studies/ just using voki though
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[jgmac1106]
after programming you can move on to Othello
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sketchess
why 'chat'?
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sketchess
pure Pia
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[jgmac1106]
I remember you asking way back bout doing audio type animation, using third party but still fun
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sketchess
That was never my target.
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sketchess
I still think, Pia still deserves more than just getting a voice. And I still don't wanna rely on javascrit to make it happen. But she never will become like a chat bot thingy.
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sketchess
You Avatar looks good by the way. jgmac1106
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sketchess
Well one day...... and my interface is more than just a vision.
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sketchess
I will find a way to do it without scrips.
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sketchess
+t
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sketchess
good night sleep
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Loqi
goodnight!
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[kevinmarks]
Re looking back on social networks, in Connie Willis's time travel novels, the future people have given up mobile phones entirely and there is a big taboo about even mentioning them
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dougbeal
Ah, indieweb.xyz must have a link to the "board?" in the post as well
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Loqi
[Douglas Beal] One 🕸💍 to rule them all
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dougbeal
Loqi++ knows where its at
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Loqi
loqi has 69 karma in this channel (461 overall)
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kicks
dougbeal: yes, as long as it's a indieweb-style reply
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kicks
an, sorry
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kicks
the post "Sending your First Webmention from Scratch" has two 'upvotes'
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kicks
which are just 'bookmarks' on indieweb.xyz
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dougbeal
kicks: The post didn't show up until I added a link in the body, even though it had a syndicatino link: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdougbeal.com%2F2018%2F07%2F11%2Fone-%25f0%259f%2595%25b8%25f0%259f%2592%258d-to-rule-them-all%2F
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Loqi
[Douglas Beal] One 🕸💍 to rule them all
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@Paul_Kinlan
↩️ If I was a blogger or on the indieweb, I'd be making sure I add share targets too all of the places I publish my own content, so that it's incredibly simple to share from native silos out to the web again.
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dougbeal
kicks++ awesome site, btw
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Loqi
kicks has 2 karma
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kicks
dougbeal++ really appreciate you giving it a shot
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Loqi
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kicks
dougbeal: i see all of your webmentions coming in and being processed correctly (there is a log) so i think you ran into the cache - there can be a few minute delay due to nginx cache settings
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@calum_ryan
Attending the next Homebrew Website Club London (Covent Garden): ⏰25-07-2018 at 19:00–20:30 ✏️https://hwclondon.co.uk/meetups/20180725
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gRegorLove
kicks: or "likes" in my case. Maybe worth differentiating? like seems like an upvote; not sure about bookmark.
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gRegorLove
Oof, bad sentence, gRegor
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gRegorLove
a "like post" seems like an upvote.
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kicks
i may differentiate them at some point, for now any kind of mention counts simply as a bookmark
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kicks
ok the indieweb.xyz home page now shows all the most recent activity
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