#indieweb 2018-07-11
2018-07-11 UTC
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "is.gd" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "is.gd is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jgmac1106_ its not on purpose, if I am replying to stuff on Twitter I use brid.gy, been using SNAP iif doing replies to other sites and syndicating that to twitter
# jgmac1106_ maybe that introduced the shortner, which post?
# jgmac1106_ found it, it is a setting in SNAP
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# jgmac1106_ heading to wordpress
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@jgmac1106 Made some progress on the theory of change section of the #IndieWeb IES grant we are writing: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rAk8tEZ_OHMjAJbBdrKFdktQI0sC6Lzrbt8eBuLt8yk/edit?usp=sharing (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4218-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1016862418620899328)
# jgmac1106_ Good night IndieWeb out of gas, see folks in the morning
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gRegorLove Interesting ethics page they have: https://is.gd/ethics.php
# jgmac1106_ we need to get this Richard West and this UK host Mesmet to build indieweb tools into their stuff, now I am really off
# @jgmac1106 Congrats and especially if your birthday post was your first.
Matt I came to the same conclusion, for a long time I just did my IndieWeb stuff from a subdomain using @withknown, been all-in on WordPress for a few months now. If you want turnkey ... https://is.gd/QXy9RN (twitter.com/_/status/1016864805968404480)
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[jon] i appreciate it as well, thanks [dgold] and for bringing it up
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@t Event: Homebrew Website Club SF!
At: 2018-07-11 17:30 @MozSF
RSVP: http://tantek.com/e/4vP1 (twitter.com/_/status/1016875412432007168)
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@matpacker I really like the idea of the IndieWeb, however, it’s not that easy to set things up on an existing website. So many things to change, accounts to delete, and other assorted break points that need to be managed. At this point, I’m thinking about nuking… https://matpacker.com/2018/07/11/joining-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/1016891477497122816)
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KartikPrabhu oh boy! what extreme thing @matpacker mean ?
# KartikPrabhu yes
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# [jgmac1106] morning all, sent @mattpacker a note last night
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[pfefferle] good morning
# jgmac1106_ yeah but it was a webmention….he may not have got it
# jgmac1106_ yeah pfefferle, good to see you
# jgmac1106_ posted my comment to @matpacker natively as well
# jgmac1106_ alright off to right
# [pfefferle] hey hey
# [pfefferle] the theme part is still a hard thing
# [pfefferle] 😍
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[mrkrndvs] Hey hey back, [pfefferle] I have returned to ZenPress 👍
# [pfefferle] GWG sure
# [pfefferle] I have a new idea… any feedback https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-uf2/issues/38 ???
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# [pfefferle] sure! (I love the change!) 😉
# [pfefferle] in general
# [pfefferle] let me know when you have a final state and I will have a look!
# [pfefferle] I am curious
# jgmac1106_ [wiobyrne] I ended up moving our chapters to scalar for fun: http://jgregorymcverry.com/longform/open-pedagogy/
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# @jgmac1106 Brad,
I didn't find one, but I don't use plugins that are 2-3 versions out of date. I am sure many will still work, why not just do it manually with an html widget? I did add a webring specifically for WordPress IndieWeb people you ... https://is.gd/ivx7SE (twitter.com/_/status/1017019012344176640)
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# [jgmac1106] I need to set up a reader only using Indigenous to write
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# [jgmac1106] thinking about how easy an IndieWeb FlipGrid approach would be looking at how indiewebnews and indieweb.xyz syndicate, especially all micro.blog microcast
# KartikPrabhu what is FlipGrid?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FlipGrid" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "FlipGrid is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# gRegorLove Hola, #indieweb
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@wiobyrne ↩️ I think that would fit the bill. I've been researching it a bit more to showcase pubs on my site. Depending on the population, I would focus on domain of one's own (#DoOO), #IndieWeb and Hypothesis ( @hypothes_is That's my intersection currently. (twitter.com/_/status/1017097085416591360)
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[wiobyrne] Hola [gregorlove]!
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# snarfed1 aaronpk++
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chrisaldrich good morning fellow tinkerers
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# chrisaldrich Do any social silos have features/functionality for temporarily cloaking/404ing one's account when they become the target of unwanted attention or harassment?
# chrisaldrich I'm curious after reading a piece by Ella Dawson on the #PlaneBae story this week https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/10/we-are-all-public-figures-now-ella-dawson/
# chrisaldrich On one's own website they could temporarily turn things off, but I don't think many social silos would allow it (or allow it retroactively upon major traffic spikes)
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# [wiobyrne] Good question Chris. This is something that is a necessity if/when things get hostile and trollish. People will want a want to have some amount of control, or recourse if things go sideways.
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# chrisaldrich The tough part highlighted by the article is that one doesn't necessarily know when such an "attack" might happen.
# chrisaldrich Or one might be trapped on a plane without access only to arrive at a destination as a target of harassment
# chrisaldrich Instagram and Twitter will allow you to switch your account to "private" in some sense, but knowing you're a potential target then becomes the problem to solve.
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# [wiobyrne] I'd also think about those people that receive bad news, or a death in the family. Social media (Facebook) pulls that content into reminders for better or worse after the fact. I can only imagine if that gummed up the works in your mentions.
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# sketchess good morning Indieweb
# sketchess hmmm.... what's that about?
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stevestreza Good morning! o/
# sketchess will never understand why people are in to social media^^
# sketchess I miss the good old web days.
# sketchess no accounts, no trouble :)
# [wiobyrne] Good points sketchess. We're hooked on a drug that is bad for us. Each week in my newsletter I keep researching and writing stories that boil down to the same message..."this stuff is bad for us...when will we learn."
# [wiobyrne] I wonder if 20 years from now we'll look at movies and tv where people use social networks and we'll think...oh, that was so silly...In much of the same way that we (I) look at people smoking on tv and movies.
# [wiobyrne] Or...we'll all be cyborgs and plugged into VR rigs like Ready Player One and not care about anything else. 😉
# chrisaldrich Or a split version of the two and we'll go by the names Eloi and Morlocks...
# sketchess Drug? What do you mean?
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# sketchess Serious, I do not get it? This stuff is so useless and such a waste of time.
# @jgmac1106 I am not at #CMK18 but making in spirit as I hack way at my own blog with #Indieweb love and then work with #NHV teachers to utilize GIS in the classroom and to design role playing avatars to teach sourcing skills.
Also on: https://is.gd/PKFnbx (twitter.com/_/status/1017113158346035210)
# [wiobyrne] I called it a drug because of the negative effects, or as you suggested it is a "waste of time." And yet, we continue to be hooked on it. Some of us more than others.
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skippy this might be of interest to folks: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180706/13460040185/how-we-can-free-our-facebook-friends.shtml
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[dougbeal] Does anyone have an about/author page with progressive disclosure? Like if you logged in you would see more details?
# sketchess Isn't it sadly hilarious that articles targeting that topic even exist. I gave up to even maybe consider trying to use a lazy making service provider. I am not chearing for their programers and maintainers. In my eyes they did a bad job. To use their stuff remains a pain. Just like so.
# sketchess ah.... cheer
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# sketchess said a person who even customizes her windows system as much as possible to own abilities, never will be happy using default programs
# sketchess Are getting kids still thaught how to create and build something of their own in school of today?
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# [jgmac1106] @sketchess the entire point of #cmk18 is just to make stuff they have sewing machinges, 3d printers, and paper and pencils
# sketchess #cmk18?
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# sketchess Is that a user name I did miss, jgmac1106?
# [jgmac1106] ooh no, I was just tweeting about #cmk18 at same time, I thought your question was in reference to my post, my apologies
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# sketchess I see. I wondered a little how you built the brigde between computer lessons and housecraft lessons.
# sketchess ah their a hiding the letters......... painted in blue
# sketchess there are
# sketchess Were you currently becoming a little bit happier with your wordpress, jgmac1106?
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# [jgmac1106] yes @sketchess, figured a good medium between the use of post kinds and the visual navigation I wanted, have some tweaks to make but at least have a recommendation I can use with my students that uses an IndieWeb theme without stripping away all design autonomy
# sketchess hopefully I will have mastered programing one day
# [jgmac1106] ohh and back to your audio chat stuff making this stuff with participants: http://jgregorymcverry.com/using-avatars-as-an-inquiry-tool-in-social-studies/ just using voki though
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# [jgmac1106] after programming you can move on to Othello
# sketchess why 'chat'?
# sketchess pure Pia
# [jgmac1106] I remember you asking way back bout doing audio type animation, using third party but still fun
# sketchess That was never my target.
# sketchess I still think, Pia still deserves more than just getting a voice. And I still don't wanna rely on javascrit to make it happen. But she never will become like a chat bot thingy.
# sketchess You Avatar looks good by the way. jgmac1106
# sketchess Well one day...... and my interface is more than just a vision.
# sketchess I will find a way to do it without scrips.
# sketchess +t
# sketchess good night sleep
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[kevinmarks] Re looking back on social networks, in Connie Willis's time travel novels, the future people have given up mobile phones entirely and there is a big taboo about even mentioning them
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# dougbeal So if someone replies to https://dougbeal.com/2018/07/11/one-🕸💍-to-rule-them-all/ and syndicates to https://indieweb.xyz/en/webring_deathmatch, it will be upvoted? :wink:
# kicks dougbeal: yes, as long as it's a indieweb-style reply
# kicks an, sorry
# kicks if you look at https://indieweb.xyz/en/indieweb
# kicks the post "Sending your First Webmention from Scratch" has two 'upvotes'
# kicks which are just 'bookmarks' on indieweb.xyz
# dougbeal kicks: The post didn't show up until I added a link in the body, even though it had a syndicatino link: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdougbeal.com%2F2018%2F07%2F11%2Fone-%25f0%259f%2595%25b8%25f0%259f%2592%258d-to-rule-them-all%2F
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@Paul_Kinlan ↩️ If I was a blogger or on the indieweb, I'd be making sure I add share targets too all of the places I publish my own content, so that it's incredibly simple to share from native silos out to the web again. (twitter.com/_/status/1017170728796516353)
# kicks dougbeal++ really appreciate you giving it a shot
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# kicks dougbeal: i see all of your webmentions coming in and being processed correctly (there is a log) so i think you ran into the cache - there can be a few minute delay due to nginx cache settings
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@calum_ryan Attending the next Homebrew Website Club London (Covent Garden): ⏰25-07-2018 at 19:00–20:30 ✏️https://hwclondon.co.uk/meetups/20180725 (twitter.com/_/status/1017181642522275841)
# gRegorLove kicks: or "likes" in my case. Maybe worth differentiating? like seems like an upvote; not sure about bookmark.
# gRegorLove Oof, bad sentence, gRegor
# gRegorLove a "like post" seems like an upvote.
# kicks i may differentiate them at some point, for now any kind of mention counts simply as a bookmark
# kicks ok the indieweb.xyz home page now shows all the most recent activity
# gRegorLove Nice!
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