#indieweb 2018-07-12

2018-07-12 UTC
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@csageland ↩️ Hi! Do you want to add any projects here ahead of the #DWebSummit? I'll circle back to the mapping possibility with indieweb after August. (twitter.com/_/status/1017202134369034240)
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[wiobyrne] Thanks [kevinmarks]. What do you think we'll think about social networks in the future? A necessary evil, pre-historic, or "as common as the air we breathe"?
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tantek__ a phase
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@jgmac1106 Doing research for @wiobyrne and my book on Open Pedagogy I realized @davecormier’s Social Media and Open Education class is on @wikispaces this was precursors to all the MOOCs. I hope this bit of history isn’t lost forever. #digped #IndieWeb #edtechchat… http://jgregorymcverry.com/4272-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1017223431199363073)
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tantek__ I gave an overview of today's topics (listed under What on the HWC event page)
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tantek__ Ryan's been working on importing his old tweets to his site
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tantek__ up next Kia
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tantek__ she made a forum https://www.ptsdcircle.com/
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tantek__ because the other forum she was using was very controlling by a single person
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tantek__ Kia says please share and encourage people to join
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tantek__ it's a pretty vanilla forum, built in PHP
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tantek__ she also built https://www.kiaikim.com/ using Known
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tantek__ very simple, has long form blog posts
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tantek__ she also plans to set it up to store all her social media there
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[tantek] Next up Patrick
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[tantek] patrickcanfield.com
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[tantek] Using Gatsby
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[tantek] And server side React
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[ryan339] [schmarty] I’ve got an issue with 🕸.ws… When I first tried logging in, I got https://🕸.ws/:de: which still correctly redirects to my website. but now when I log in, I get https://🕸.ws/🏑 which doesn’t redirect. 🤷‍♂️
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jgmac1106_ in my research for Open Pedgagogy I see that technorati had a CCK08 search (the coruse where the word MOOC was born)
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tantek__ !tell schmarty https://chat.indieweb.org/2018-07-12/1531362318095700
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [[ryan339]] [schmarty] I’ve got an issue with 🕸.ws… When I first tried logging in, I got https://🕸.ws/:de: which still correctly redirects to my website. but now when I log in, I get https://🕸.ws/🏑 which doesn’t redirect. 🤷‍♂️
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tantek__ we're doing small group discussions here at HWC SF now
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tantek__ Dori noted she has http://www.dori.com/ and set it up (along with most of her domains) to auto-renew, and took ~3 years to go offline
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tantek__ so now her website is still up and right where she left it
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tantek__ and we're done for the night here at HWC SF. good night everyone!
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schmarty !tell ryan339: sorry about that! You are the first to hit a bug with the first version of 🕸💍 which didn’t normalize URLs. https://example.com != https://example.com/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi schmarty: tantek__ left you a message 30 minutes ago: https://chat.indieweb.org/2018-07-12/1531362318095700
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schmarty !tell ryan339 the result is that your emoji id may change. I think I can keep your original if you like, but I need to poke around. I can look at it tomorrow.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek__ wow that was my guess! (the domain slash or no slash)
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[ryan339] Cool! I do prefer my original if possible!
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Loqi [ryan339]: schmarty left you a message 2 minutes ago: sorry about that! You are the first to hit a bug with the first version of 🕸💍 which didn’t normalize URLs. https://example.com != https://example.com/
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Loqi [ryan339]: schmarty left you a message 1 minute ago: the result is that your emoji id may change. I think I can keep your original if you like, but I need to poke around. I can look at it tomorrow.
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tantek__ ICYMI - https://werd.io/ also joined the IndieWeb Webring today
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tantek__ I might have nudged him into it :)
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tantek__ whoa I just clicked through from Ben's site next to chrisaldrich's site, then next took me back to chrisaldrich's site twice! before it finally took me to gregorlove's site
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tantek__ schmarty: ^^^ FYI next/prev should probably NOT just redirect back to the site they came from
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schmarty tantek: next prev are random right now. I want to make them deterministic before I write up the thing publicly
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tantek__ can it be random minus the site it came from?
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tantek__ (if the random function returns the same emoji as the link, try again)
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tantek__ needs to get food
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schmarty tantek: that would be a good incremental improvement
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dougbeal kicks++ awesome site, btw
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Loqi kicks has 3 karma
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dougbeal oops, scroll back
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dougbeal When the ring is broken, I am sad. Could periodic maintenance happen with Glitch?
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[kevinmarks] That's what I was suggesting with a DHT - if you use one of the DHT hash functions you can get a deterministic order that is consistent as you add sites.
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[kevinmarks] Eg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chord_(peer-to-peer)
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[mrkrndvs] What is the difference between Activitypub and Micropub? http://thoughtshrapnel.com/2018/07/12/blogging-in-the-fediverse/
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "difference between Activitypub and Micropub" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "difference between Activitypub and Micropub is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106] [dougbeal] I have a Fibonacci Found Poem still left hanging until we can get the ring not to break on a site
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[jgmac1106] Morning all
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@btconf Sooo happy to announce another Side Event during #btconf Berlin. @t and @jkphl bring the @IndieWebCamp back to Berlin! Don’t miss out and register now. https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/berlin-2018/side-events/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/1017359847543713794)
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petermolnar [mrkrndvs]: micropub is a POST, essentially it creates a new entry; activitypub is more like websub/pub under indieweb terms
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[jgmac1106] @petermolnar I think he is also trying to get at the why? In our little corner of the web we see a lot of big names going with activitypub and not micropub as the api to create and write post. I think [mrkrndvs] is looking at the philosophical underpinnings of the choice. Why one over the other? Why doesn't IndieWeb use ActivityPub? Why does rest of the world ignore micropub?
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petermolnar those are very interesting existential questions
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sknebel activitypub doesn't replace Micropub
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[mrkrndvs] Yes, that is exactly what is was wondering. Thank you Greg
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petermolnar but... isn't activitypub only an rss replacement?
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sknebel or rather, it has a part for the same role as Micropub, but that's not used at all to my knowledge
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petermolnar micropub basically turns anything into a headless cms
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sknebel what people use is the server-to-server part of ActivityPub, and that's roughly does what feeds/Websub/webmention do
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[jgmac1106] yes, but @sknebel but few support both, and everything in the OER space seems to be going with activitypub just trying to get a existential questions before coffeee, always dangerous
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[jgmac1106] but that you both, that helps a ton. @mrkdvs those who use the server-server activitypub seem to rely more on the json rdf markup of scehma.org rather than the easier to use mf2, though you can have both and play everywhere
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sknebel its not schema.org, it's ActivityStreams
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[jgmac1106] but thank* you
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[jgmac1106] thanks again for clearing up misundertanding
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[jgmac1106] What is ActivityStreams?
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Loqi ActivityStreams (AS) is a standardization effort to define common types of objects and actions (verbs) taken on various social media sites https://indieweb.org/ActivityStreams
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sknebel our page for it might not really be up to date
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petermolnar related read: https://rhiaro.co.uk/tags/activitystreams2.0
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sknebel some rough points I can think of right now: AP uses JSON based endpoints instead of parsing from html. it's more optimized for the many user per server scenarios (like mastodon). getting a site to work with AP is more effort of basics you have to get running.
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[jgmac1106] petermolnar++
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Loqi petermolnar has 34 karma in this channel (58 overall)
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[jgmac1106] exactly the post we were looking for
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petermolnar it's not my ++, it's for rhiaro :)
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petermolnar rhiaro++
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Loqi rhiaro has 61 karma in this channel (290 overall)
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[jgmac1106] Did have a wonderful conversation about photos with [aaronpk] about how Flickr and "art" photos get titles but how Instagram and "memory" photos do not, but how sometimes if any post has a title it is seen as article
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sknebel where?
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sknebel but yes, the semantics of photo vs post containing a photo vs ... are kind of unclear, especially when multiple photos are involved
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[jgmac1106] .oooh geeze gonna head to vhat.indieweb.org to search
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[jgmac1106] yeah I was gonna start POSSEing to Flickr which meant adding a title to photos, but another interesting semantic debate before coffeee, not good
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[jgmac1106] @sknebel I was just thinking when does a photo cross the line and deserve a title? IRL this is usually a debate of "is this art".......rabbit hole
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sknebel hm, that's an interesting perspective. I don't think I post enough photos for it to really have come up. and unclear if "title" in the post sense has to be "title" as in "I choose this explicit name for this image"
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[jgmac1106] but in terms of UI a photo on flickr always gets a title
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[jgmac1106] but the majority of titles are probably just the filename from the camera
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[mrkrndvs] There you go, just as I thought I was getting somewhere I opened another door and found something I thought I kind of got 🤷‍♂️
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[jgmac1106] isn't learning fun 👩‍🎓
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petermolnar I think that a "location name, time" is a good enought title for a photo
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petermolnar and it even makes sense
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petermolnar eg. "Cliffs of Dover, 1970-01-01"
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petermolnar there's no need to add fancy, "artsy" titles
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petermolnar you can, if you want though
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[kevinmarks] yes, but if you let a computer guess those for you, it can be odd.
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[jgmac1106] I have been playing with my CC Flickr Attribution tools tool add the "correct" mf2 is how it spit out before <a title="love" href="https://flickr.com/photos/laurens_pix/2309443722">love</a> flickr photo by <a href="https://flickr.com/people/laurens_pix">{faithhopelove}</a> shared under a <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/">Creative Commons (BY-NC-ND) license</a> </small>..needed to add an hcard for the author, p-name fo
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[jgmac1106] use u-photo, add license, almost got me stuck back into trying to do academic references again
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[jgmac1106] so I gave up and said, well as long as the post is wrapped in hentry
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[jgmac1106] thats what I care more about, correctly attributing others photos rather than sharing my own
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[kevinmarks] http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/the-uncanny-valley-of-video-editing
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petermolnar [kevinmarks]: date is simple, use the exif date; location, now that's the big question
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[jgmac1106] wow [kevinmarks] you son is a spitting image
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[kevinmarks] https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/1600/1*cjdTrlqt5Z-8jC4BrwapUQ.png
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petermolnar if there's geodata in the exif, the quess might make sense, otherwise yes, you have to write it by hand
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[jgmac1106] I use Google Photos as well for memories, never did Flickr, but I like all the machine learning stuff it does to my photos, for my sons pitching I take burst photos and hope to end up with a gif
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[jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] are you putting in a MozFest proposal? I am leaning more for trying to go to Berlin than London, but Halloween is falling later in the week so MozFest maybe doable again for me,
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[kevinmarks] I need to get one in, yes
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[kevinmarks] some background on what Joe Smarr (formerly of open web things) has done with photo stories at google: https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/1600/1*cjdTrlqt5Z-8jC4BrwapUQ.png
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[kevinmarks] oops, wrong link https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/how-does-google-teach-a-computer-to-tell-stories/373270/
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[kevinmarks] nice design thinking there
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[jgmac1106] last movie Google made for me, just found all the sleeping baby photos: https://jack.baty.net/
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[jgmac1106] oops wrong link
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[jgmac1106] https://photos.app.goo.gl/MDmHDkF5eNbQ9cbw5
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[jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] is there anyway to find an archived version of old technorati tags? Looking for #cck08 for book research
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[kevinmarks] hm, looks like archive.org only crawled after the index was decimated: https://web.archive.org/web/20110201143527/http://technorati.com:80/tag/cck08
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[kevinmarks] http://pinboard.in/search/?query=cck08
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[kevinmarks] check delicio.us too when Maciej brings it back up
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[kevinmarks] er del.icio.us
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[kevinmarks] also https://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/cck08/
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[jgmac1106] cck08 is considered the first truly web based distributed course (using word web as I avoid listserv as course). Was looking for as many of the feeds as I could
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[jgmac1106] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FBQDVE57Z/network.png?pub_secret=2bdba4288b&name=network.png I really like this image
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Loqi MozFest 2018 AMA on Twitter (join by hashtagging posts with #mozfest) at 2018-07-12 09:00 EDT (13:00 UTC, 06:00 PDT). cc: adactio benwerd calumryan grantcodes tommorris
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Loqi Countdown set by tantek__ on 2018-07-10 at 8:01pm PDT
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dougbeal g'day, indieweb
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skippy hi dougbeal
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kicks what is indieweb.xyz
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Loqi Indieweb.xyz is a directory of Indieweb links, organized into subs, similar to Reddit, but designed for self-promotion https://indieweb.org/Indieweb.xyz
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kicks okie just checking
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@jgmac1106 Switching Writing Gears,back to the IES #IndieWeb grant, putting away the Open Pedagogy book now, not many words on screen to show for the day but did some amazing research and self study that we want to incorporate into the book. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4297-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1017432861488578561)
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@dbounds Fun to see posts like this https://write.as/matt/bringing-blogging-to-the-fediverse from @ilikebeans and seeing so many specs & protocols from earlier days of #indieweb being actively used and pushed forward. Cc @chrismessina @bpm140 @evanpro (twitter.com/_/status/1017433509529563137)
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cockmaster Hey, I think you guys might enjoy my new blog post https://bryanostergaard.com/blog/2018/07/09/donald-trump-and-the-darkies/
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aaronpk Next event: Homebrew Website Club Meetup https://indieweb.org/next-hwc, Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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kl0eri Hey, I think you guys might enjoy my new blog post https://bryanostergaard.com/blog/2018/07/09/donald-trump-and-the-darkies/
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skippy Next event: Homebrew Website Club Meetup https://indieweb.org/next-hwc, Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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sketchess good morning Indieweb
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sketchess -.- .... I should stop clicking onto links before I finished reading the whole title. Lesson learned.
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[wiobyrne] Hi IndieWeb
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@jgmac1106 Taking a break from the #IndieWeb #DoOO #IES Grant application and heading to my online children's literature and literacy class to catch up on student blogs. I love teaching this class online but five weeks is too hard. Often takes two ... https://is.gd/ZFDgGD (twitter.com/_/status/1017482019868151809)
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[jgmac1106] hey [wiobyrne]
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@nilshauk By golly, it's working. Here's me using Cellar Door to login to #IndieWeb's #IndieAuth page to add my implementation to the list of available implementations. ☺️ https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth#Implementations (twitter.com/_/status/1017485223716630528)
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@nilshauk ↩️ Looking forward to learning more about IndieWeb and hopefully contribute some more. :) I'm like, "surely we can build cooler and more usable services than present silo offerings." (twitter.com/_/status/1017512103199068160)
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schmarty ryan339: looks like you found the corner of two bugs! the reason your new url didn't redirect is that new signups weren't being saved in the db, haha.
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@bradenslen ↩️ I was thinking about your http://Indieweb.xyz wondering if adding a RSS feed to it would be good, bad, neutral or some fourth thing? (twitter.com/_/status/1017549373889220608)
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@aaronpk ↩️ It already has Microformats, so you can follow it from a reader that supports that, like any of the indieweb readers! https://aaronparecki.com/2018/04/20/46/indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1017549914526572545)
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[jgmac1106] schmarty I lost 😈 and am now stuck with ⚾what the heck did I do?
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[jgmac1106] feel like somebody who gave up a one letter twitter account with this mive
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KartikPrabhu [jgmac1106] see recent discussion in indieweb-dev
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[jgmac1106] move*
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KartikPrabhu things were not stored in a database for some reason
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[jgmac1106] yeah yipeee, maybe because it was made somehow in a few hours
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schmarty jgmac1106: you’re actually in there as both. ⚾️ is technically correct for your “canonicalized” URL but I will make sure you get 😈 back.
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schmarty Gotta run for now though
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schmarty Improv to perform!
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aaronpk 🕴
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aaronpk (that was the closest to "break a leg" I could find)
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@bradenslen ↩️ Aaron fantastic article. That was one of the articles I read a few weeks ago and I said, "I'm in. Even if it's not ready right now, I have to join this Indieweb." It sold me. Thanks. (twitter.com/_/status/1017552196970442752)
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