#indieweb 2018-07-20
2018-07-20 UTC
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ @essenmitsosse Sharp eye. There's an extension to webmention called vouch to guard against abuse. https://indieweb.org/Vouch (twitter.com/_/status/1020105904333737988)
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@jgmac1106 While I in now way “Lead the #IndieWebSummit” I found it inspiring to be around so many web leaders https://indieweb.org/2018/Leaders thanks to the East Haddam News for such a nice article. Print only (for now…..)
(http://jgregorymcverry.com/4716-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1020124017368489984)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-07-20.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[chrisaldrich] cygnoir++ for the phrase "Social simulacra" in the footer of cygnoir.net and also for the quote "I've been writing on the Web since 1999, but always with someone else's tools. This year I'd like to change that."
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@egoexpress @jkphl Lt. http://indieweb.org ist am nächsten Mittwoch wieder ein HWC. Wieder copy/paste oder diesmal tatsächlich? ;) (twitter.com/_/status/1020172106607284224)
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# @ChrisAldrich Thanks @mrdougal, Nick Tucker, and #IndieWeb for all your help!
https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/19/thank-yous-for-my-ala-piece/ (twitter.com/_/status/1020195328111173633)
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@frankmeeuwsen ↩️ @patrickloonstra Yep, ik zag hem al langs komen. Geschreven door @ChrisAldrich, die veel voor en met het indieweb doet! (twitter.com/_/status/1020199713415548928)
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# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ After having gotten Webmention working, you might consider stopping by the IndieWeb chat to ask this question of folks like @aaronpk, @t, @kevinmarks, and others who might provide some guidance/suggestions. As a group, they've been able to… http://stream.boffosocko.com/2018/evertp-after-having-gotten-webmention-working-you-might-consider-stopping (twitter.com/_/status/1020205120552865792)
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@IndieWebCampDE Der Homebrew Website Club Nürnberg findet wieder nächsten Mittwoch statt — kommet zuhauf! https://indieweb.org/events/2018-07-25-homebrew-website-club#N.C3.BCrnberg (twitter.com/_/status/1020206697263124480)
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@fsteeg ↩️ Yeah it's kind of amazing how we have two full stacks for this stuff with the #IndieWeb and #LinkedData, sort of upholding the old Microformats vs. RDF thing. Different focus though, so maybe it's actually good. (twitter.com/_/status/1020228820153110528)
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[jgmac1106] Morning Sven
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@csarven ↩️ "IndieWeb" is kind of a brand and comes with a lot of baggage; doesn't really uphold its own principles. Driven by selective anecdotal evidence governed by few. "LinkedData" principles/tech use/build on open Web standards based on consensus. See also https://twitter.com/csarven/status/1020238366699413504 (twitter.com/_/status/1020240035994578944)
# [jgmac1106] That was harsh
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@macbirdie I've been recently reading on all the IndieWeb is about, i.e. using microformats, webmentions, POSSE, and I'm surprised how much content and context we can get out by simply annotating our blogs properly. The web itself is indeed a social network. (twitter.com/_/status/1020241569734184960)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ I see #IndieWeb more as a community
or affinity space rather than a brand. In fact there isn’t any central organization governing us at all. Want to attend a leaders meeting? Plan two events in a year. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4719-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1020241573643202561)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Curious as to what of the eleven #IndieWeb principles you think we do not live up to…though we have been drafting newer versions to cast a wider net. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4721-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1020242154516631552)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ I know, or at least feels this way since I am active in both communities, tension among #webannotation folk and #IndieWeb community. Don’t know the history but also do not think we need an either or situation. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4729-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1020245601844424704)
# @csarven ↩️ With all due respect, please do check the wiki on its position/understanding on LinkedData/RDF and related tech. Judge for yourself whether it is genuine. Try to develop/push/evangelise non-microformats-centric/"IndieWeb" (whatever that is) approaches (eg RDFa). (twitter.com/_/status/1020246139495428096)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ When I click on the @socialwebwg in you pinned tweet I see the same faces from #IndieWeb community. Maybe the cues the same but Metadata slightly different? Again not a technical person. Just a blogger who loves the #IndieWeb tools and values (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4731-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1020246660193161218)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ https://indieweb.org/Linked_Data_Notifications Seems to be all we have for #LinkedData on #IndieWeb wiki. Will keep poking. Generally curious. @schnarfed has been looking at ways to play in Fediverse. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4735-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1020248736671436802)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Cool will find you on freenode. I am @jgmac1106 there as well. Always happy to learn more, but it is the values more than tech that draw me to #IndieWeb (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4741-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1020251641717673984)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Okay found https://indieweb.org/RDF and yes it does open with a bit of Snark for bot fun in chat. I agree maybe not the best approach when describing a web standard widely adopted. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4743-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1020253058465452032)
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@priya_c20 https://indieweb.org/Special:RecentChanges https://indieweb.org/Special:RecentChanges
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@t Event: Homebrew Website Club SF!
At: 2018-07-25 17:30 @MozSF
RSVP: http://tantek.com/e/4vc1 (twitter.com/_/status/1020257992279773185)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Thank you for the conversation this morning. Need to go feed my kids, but yes #IndieWeb willing to ignore the way rest of the world to things to build our little corner of the web. Hopefully everything stays interoperable (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4748-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1020263415900618754)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Very valid points. Discourse patterns matter. I am not an editor on mf wiki nor understand 83.4%. Looking at http://indieweb.org wiki the CoC focuses on people not documentation. Should be both. If you find articles you feel do not meet community… http://jgregorymcverry.com/4750-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1020270109494071296)
# jgmac1106 fragmentions on videos would be cool: https://www.timeline.ly/
# Loqi media fragment is a way of linking to a part of a longer media file https://indieweb.org/media_fragment
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# [jgmac1106] I so miss Mozilla Popcorn and Zeega, being able to markup and remix html5 video, gifs, images was so much fun
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# [jgmac1106] I forget who the one driving force behind it was https://github.com/menismu/popcorn-js but it was the coolest tool. IndieWeb community needs to think about all those onboarded through art and video. Part of reason CSS Grid excites me. I could see it working,c an't build it but I see it
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[wiobyrne] Good morning IndieWeb
# [wiobyrne] I'm a bit late, but great piece [chrisaldrich]
# [wiobyrne] chrisaldrich++
# [wiobyrne] Part of the joy & pain in this discussion thread, and playing with IndieWeb is that you have an idea, or what you think you want to build, and then you go online and someone from this community blogged about it 7 years ago. 🙂
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# [wiobyrne] And...as I scroll through the old convos in the channel, I often leave with a browser full of 10 tabs indicating things I want to build when I have headspace.
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@voxpelli ↩️ It's not very active and not always about front-end, but I do occasionally blog about front-end stuff (and IndieWeb stuff) at https://voxpelli.com/ English-only RSS-feed is here: https://voxpelli.com/english.xml (twitter.com/_/status/1020299772140367873)
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schmarty[m] jgmac1106: i think about this a lot. cool single-purpose web tools that "just work" (micropub feels like a good target, but copy-paste HTML also)
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@wiobyrne Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet. A comprehensive overview of webmentions & #IndieWeb from Chris Aldrich (https://boffosocko.com/) http://bit.ly/2JJCWAm (twitter.com/_/status/1020310582312960000)
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@fncll An interesting article that made webmentions clear to me. Have to avoid going too far down the #IndieWeb rabbit hole…there is work to get done! https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1020315323176759302)
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@EddieHinkle ↩️ Those are some valid concerns. One thing I'd like to point out at the bottom of the spec is a link to Vouch, which is an anti-spam extension to Webmention that is in development (https://indieweb.org/Vouch) (https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/07/20/6/reply/) (twitter.com/_/status/1020319015498059782)
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# [jgmac1106] [schmarty] zeega was cool and had pathway so sources of remix. Popcorn had a bit for features but made navigation up to use rather than artist.
# [jgmac1106] But yeah build a Micropub app that allows you to overlay text, comment, and media on top of other media using some type of timeline.... Dreams
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# [jgmac1106] This was @zeega https://github.com/Zeega/Zeega
# [jgmac1106] Fun fact they were in same matter class as [benwerd]. Buzz feed bought unrelated iOS app and shut Zeega down
# [jgmac1106] Popcorn got the axe from Mozilla in 2015 I think.
# [jgmac1106] Have a few friends running their own instances
# [jgmac1106] And that is why I bug [benwerd] to find and fund the next great media remix machine (revenue model...leave up to founders)
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# [jgmac1106] Yeah, and another fun fact I tried to build our first app on Known backbone... But partners
# [jgmac1106] Glad to see you back to some fiction. Know that is true passion
# [jgmac1106] Nightvale #smallstory great
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@edtechfactotum ↩️ Thanks for this. I keep dipping my toes in every once in awhile because #IndieWeb feels like important way to enable distributed discussions & create permeable entries and exits into/out of walled gardens. (twitter.com/_/status/1020325429687738374)
# [jgmac1106] Well Zeega team wasn't irrelevant, Buzzfeed just wanted other proprietary successful app that probably no one uses today
# [jgmac1106] Either way Known was/is what brought #indieweb to masses. Amazing. Yeah they noted as much in shutdown post
# @fncll ↩️ I'm using the IndieWeb plugin + that WebMention plugin and the Semantic Linkbacks plugin. Simple settings and it seems to be working out of the box. (twitter.com/_/status/1020326809987047424)
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[kim_landwehr] When you guys/gals set up your "rss reading list" which do you choose: the rss feed, the atomic feed, or the microformat feed and why?
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "indieweb,
my-indieweb-story,
tech
This is part 1 of at least a 4 part series about the IndieWeb and my involvement with it so far. I hope it presents both some technical aspects of the IndieWeb ..." https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/07/20/11/article/
# @EddieHinkle This is part 1 of at least a 4 part series about the IndieWeb and my involvement with it so far. I hope it presents both some technical aspects of the IndieWeb but more so introduces how the IndieWeb experience is personal and is shaped by each… https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/07/20/11/article/ (twitter.com/_/status/1020336464721252353)
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# [wiobyrne] Great post [eddie]. I most appreciate how clear and granular you are in your documentation. This allows me to look back at my connections and see what I missed.
# [wiobyrne] eddie++
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@miklb You've seen me ramble on about "IndieWeb" here's a great article on webmentions, the core of how we can start interacting from our own website instead of silos. https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1020361119989366785)
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# [kim_landwehr] I was trying to favor your latest post [eddie] using quill but it said "Your endpoint did not return a Location header." I don't know how to fix this. So I decided to let you know here great article
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[eddie] as for the error, I think that’s because Micro.blog’s Favorites are private, so it probably doesn’t return a URL in the Location header, hence the error. I bet if you look in your Micro.blog client, you’ll see the post was favorited. But since Micro.blog favorites are private, I appreciate the post here 🙂
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[cleverdevil] Hmm... is that an argument for "likes" and "favorites" to be two different things, conceptually?
# [cleverdevil] Favorite = private, Like = public?
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@joshsimmons Heyyy, so #OSCON is a wrap but I think this announcement may be of interest to those who attended and #IndieWeb folks. The Data Transfer Project, a new open source project, helps you export and transfer your data. (twitter.com/_/status/1020381363881455616)
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# @EddieHinkle ↩️ Webmentions are great! I've been using them since 2017 and it's changed the way I interact. I just wrote an article about how I got into Webmention and other IndieWeb technologies. Give it a read (https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/07/20/11/article/) and join us (… https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/07/20/22/reply/ (twitter.com/_/status/1020389219947163648)
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[manton] On the favorites/likes/bookmarks discussion, there's a Micropub query extension proposal somewhere for adding "post-types" to q=config. That way, apps can match their UI to the underlying platform. Micro.blog currently returns this: "post-types":[
{"type":"note","name":"Post"},{"type":"photo","name":"Photo"},{"type":"bookmark","name":"Favorite"}]# [cleverdevil] Cool.
# [cleverdevil] I like how Micro.blog aligns "bookmark" with "favorite."
# [cleverdevil] Since that's really what it is.
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gRegorLove what is favorite?
# Loqi A favorite is a common webaction on many silos (like Flickr, Twitter), typically visually indicated with a star symbol that fills in with a color when activated (pink, orange). A favorite is similar to but somewhat different from a like https://indieweb.org/favorite
# gRegorLove what is bookmark?
# Loqi A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is primarily comprised of a URL, often title text from that URL, sometimes optional text describing, tagging, or quoting from its contents https://indieweb.org/bookmark
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# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ As I prep for #DrupalCamp LA this weekend I’m considering how fun and impressive it’s been watching folks like @swentel & @Dries bring Webmention and other #IndieWeb philosophies to @drupal since February.
@ladrupal
https://www.drupal.org/project/indieweb
https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/20/reply-to-zeldman-about-ala-article-on-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/1020399421412933632)
# Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-07-20.html
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# Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-07-20.html
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# [kim_landwehr] So if I am understanding this currently Quill and Micro.blogs are seeing the thumbs up or favorite button as two different things and since they don’t agree it gets rejected. Is that correct?
# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ I tinker on my own website and frequently write about IndieWeb related technologies because the web is my social media platform. The feed you might appreciate most is https://boffosocko.com/category/indieweb/feed/. [more...}
https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/20/reply-to-sara-soueidan-about-front-end-development-feeds/ (twitter.com/_/status/1020427744746778624)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-07-20.html (twitter.com/_/status/1020431917991120897)
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# [kim_landwehr] Ok got it thanks [eddie]
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# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ @granderojo You might find some useful inspiration at https://indieweb.org. (twitter.com/_/status/1020437777517809672)
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# Loqi ok, I added "https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-018-0335-2" to the "See Also" section of /longevity https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50172&oldid=44982
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