#indieweb 2018-07-28
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[cleverdevil] What is ditchbook?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ditchbook" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "ditchbook is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [cleverdevil] ditchbook is a toolkit for moving your Facebook data to your own website using Micropub
# [cleverdevil] ditchbook << https://github.com/cleverdevil/ditchbook
# Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/cleverdevil/ditchbook" to a brand new "See Also" section of /ditchbook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50361&oldid=50360
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@jgmac1106 Syndicating to Twitter using SemPress & Bridgy #IndieWeb: http://youtu.be/21XQ-J6IerM?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1023153038826065921)
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# @jgmac1106 Bookmark Post-Kind & Sempress #IndieWeb theme: http://youtu.be/f2QR0iv4f9E?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1023156241785389056)
# @jgmac1106 Add Post Kind Menu to SemPress #IndieWeb blog: http://youtu.be/cF7f3NPan0Y?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1023161167521435649)
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jgmac1106_ who is sknebel?
# @jgmac1106 Hey @ReclaimHosting WordPress #IndieWeb fans figured out (actually @HeNeArXn did) Custom Cookies plugin preinstalled on Reclaim has an img with a width of 1 and height of 1 that trips up syndication and some parsers. May want to delete plugin and use… http://jgregorymcverry.com/5198-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1023162290709954561)
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# @jgmac1106 Syndicate Photos to Twitter using SemPress #IndieWeb Theme: http://youtu.be/7-MyChsOrjg?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1023184002864300033)
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KartikPrabhu hi
# @jgmac1106 Spend the last bits of summer setting up a website or blog on a Domain You Own. I believe modeling #LeadUpChat requires us to guide students toward an #IndieWeb future (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5210-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1023201184172179456)
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[kim_landwehr] Is there an indieweb version of Swarm?
# KartikPrabhu what is swarm?
# Loqi Swarm is a location app by Foursquare focused on checkins and showing nearby friends https://indieweb.org/Swarm
# KartikPrabhu [kim_landwehr]: https://indieweb.org/OwnYourSwarm might be helpful
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# KartikPrabhu sknebel: readers can display/"aggregate" checkins too no?
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[generativist] Has anyone seen an academic / open-access-like community built on around POSSE?
# [generativist] (I may be using that term wrong. Still slowly reading through the wiki and haven't implemented anything yet to grok it better.)
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# jeremych- !tell chrisaldrich,jgmac1106_ ^^^
# jgmac1106_ [generativist] yes we have been kicking around since 2008 really..if you have to pick a start date
# jgmac1106_ people aren’t 100% on their own domains, its a mix of open and close silos, not enough remixing of our resources, but an awesome group of folks
# jgmac1106_ In terms of the IndieWeb community we keep note of folks here: https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education
# jgmac1106_ for other communities search twitter for #ds106, #clmooc, or go back historically and find older stuff like #CCK08, which many mark as the first class to adopt a distributed push/pull model for online learning
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# [generativist] thanks, [jgmac1106]!
# jgmac1106_ here is a brief history I am working on: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pdySJaqePAQFl2dKLsfyk_s0t2ByeYErScsEzMZ3i8Y/edit?usp=sharing
# jgmac1106_ with [wiobyrne]
# [generativist] excellent, I'll give it a read on the train this week!
# jgmac1106_ who is generativist?
# jgmac1106_ oops sorry I thought you had a /chat-name which allows us to ask Loqi for a profile
# [generativist] before finding you folks, I had started implementing an academic sharing site (I own falsifiable.com/falsifiable.org) on GAE for seamless Jupyter-notebook publication in the style of Medium, but now that I found this place, I don't want to do that anymore 😉
# [generativist] ah. more to read up on?
# [generativist] My screen on twitter is generativist, too
# jgmac1106_ I am actually launching an IndieWeb three week bootcamp tomorrow, you are welcome to hop in and out at well
# jgmac1106_ will*
# jgmac1106_ It is from a microformats2 course template I made with real simple html and real simlple instructional design to encourage greater remixing of oer among #IndieWeb academics
# [generativist] hrm. what's the time commitment? I'm finishing up my PhD and (trying to) be careful with overcommitment right now
# jgmac1106_ plenty of people in -dev channel can talk you through adding all the #IndieWeb pieces you need for webmentions and micropub
# jgmac1106_ It’s an open class, and the tech side geared to WordPress, no time committment none or all and anything in between
# [generativist] hrm. cool! I may have to do that when I wake up for three weeks then, thanks!
# jgmac1106_ ..well I have to get back to work, ping me anytime you want to talk IndieWeb and education
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# [generativist] will do. thanks!
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# @jgmac1106 EDU 522: Digital Teaching and Learning Too built and ready @Glitch https://edu-522.glitch.me/ Will move to #DoOO tomorrow. Come join 3 week blogging bootcamp, learn #IndieWeb WordPress #LeadUpChat #Literacies #Edtechchat (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5231-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1023246789590364160)
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chrisaldrich good morning indieweb
# chrisaldrich What is manual until it hurts?
# Loqi manual until it hurts is an indieweb principle of resisting automation until you have done it enough times to really understand it, and know that it is worth doing https://indieweb.org/manual_until_it_hurts
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# chrisaldrich manual_until_it_hurts << https://elezea.com/2011/09/paving-cowpaths-design/
# Loqi ok, I added "https://elezea.com/2011/09/paving-cowpaths-design/" to the "See Also" section of /manual_until_it_hurts https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50366&oldid=46627
# chrisaldrich generativist I've been contemplating a model in which academics could self-publish everything and then leverage a "silo" in an IndieNews or Indieweb.xyz way to create a sort of preprint server or speed discovery.
# chrisaldrich What is IndieNews?
# Loqi IndieNews is an indieweb news aggregator, similar to Hacker News, which only accepts submissions via webmention https://indieweb.org/IndieNews
# chrisaldrich What is indieweb.xyz?
# Loqi Indieweb.xyz is a syndication service organized into subs, similar to Reddit, created by Kicks Condor https://indieweb.org/Indieweb.xyz
# chrisaldrich Webmentions could easily be used for scholarly communication as well....
# chrisaldrich !tell generativist see also: https://chat.indieweb.org/2018-07-28#t1532801470531000
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# kicks chrisaldrich++ let me know what you need
# kicks for one, I'm working on accepting webmentions from more sources that lack microformats
# kicks welcome tantek__ :)
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# [jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] and @kicks a basic html template with mf2 for articles be easy. Good idea. Fragmentions for peer review
# [jgmac1106] Scalar is decent. May want to start with just adding mf2 to that or pressbook rather than reinvent wheel
# Loqi Scalar is a free, open source authoring and publishing platform that’s designed to make it easy for authors to write long-form, born-digital scholarship online https://indieweb.org/Scalar
# KartikPrabhu afaik webmentions are not tied to microformats. You can parse any data that you want from a webmention
# kicks KartikPrabhu++
# KartikPrabhu also afaik microformats are the easiest to author
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# [kim_landwehr] Thanks @KartikPrabhu I think thats what i was remembering
# KartikPrabhu :thumbsup:
# [jgmac1106] I need to add to the scalar page, it has all the markup in like 734 vocabularies. Adding basic h-entry and an hcard at the page level should not be too hard.
# KartikPrabhu what!?
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# [jgmac1106] @kartikPrabhu have a screenshot at home. The Metadata options longer than most books
# KartikPrabhu judas priest!
# KartikPrabhu wow!
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@ChrisAldrich ↪Some thoughts on cow paths and manual until it hurts in service to website/blog discovery, blogrolls, OPML, following, #IndieWeb, etc.
@bradenslen @kickscondor @davewiner @kevinmarks @schnarfed
https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/28/reply-to-brad-enslen-about-the-future-of-blog-snoop/ (twitter.com/_/status/1023290700811530241)
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# chrisaldrich kicks, you've got a great template with xyz, particularly with categories/topics. I suspect one could map your infrastructure directly on top of something like https://arxiv.org/
# chrisaldrich It might need some infrastructure to tamp down "crackpot" submissions (or downvoting behavior) so there's still some sort of moderation to keep signal to noise under control.
# KartikPrabhu arxiv has (a weak form of ) moderation already
# chrisaldrich kicks, I'm also noticing you might want to add hentry in addition to h-entry for backcompat (especially for poor WordPress sites like mine). :) I still need to figure out how to shoehorn h-entry back in without breaking 20 other things.
# KartikPrabhu eh the backcompat stuff should be in mf parsers not handled sitewise
# chrisaldrich KartikPrabhu, I suspect that early on the hurdle of sending webmentions may be moderation enough, but eventually it may be necessary.
# chrisaldrich KartikPrabhu, I agree that it should be in the parsers as well, but I'm not sure how Kicks is handling it directly. (And their site explicitly states h-entry and not hentry, though that may be nitpicking.)
# KartikPrabhu the whole point of mf parsers is so that each site does not have to do it
# KartikPrabhu <sigh>
# chrisaldrich KartikPrabhu++ for patience :)
# KartikPrabhu no, not my strongest attribute
# chrisaldrich The fact that webmentions of things like /bookmark, /like, /read, /reply etc. with webmentions to an arxiv-like site could be used as upvotes is intriguing.
# KartikPrabhu what is voting?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "voting" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "voting is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# KartikPrabhu hmmm
# chrisaldrich In fact, each one could be given a different value of upvoting, so that peer-review with replies/comments could be encouraged over just "I think this is interesting and might read it" (aka bookmark)
# KartikPrabhu slowly steps away from internet "peer-review"
# KartikPrabhu yup
# chrisaldrich I suspect it may be what Kicks is doing, but I can't be sure...
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# [jgmac1106] KarthikPrabhu let's not step away just make it formative rather than exclusionary #indieweb style
# [jgmac1106] Did not know that [aaronpk]. Need to learn more about parsers
# kicks chrisaldrich++ sorry stepped out
# kicks yes you're right, i appreciate the suggestions
# kicks i am using ruby's microformats gem
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @waxpancake @wisemana There's always the #Indieweb approach like http://kevinkelly.name/ (twitter.com/_/status/1023326553399283712)
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# [generativist] [chrisaldrich] the scholarly communication via webmentions was one of the things i immediately thought would be cool
# Loqi [generativist]: chrisaldrich left you a message 3 hours, 50 minutes ago: see also: https://chat.indieweb.org/2018-07-28#t1532801470531000
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# chrisaldrich generativist: I've been thinking about the whole thing for several years now. I've just recorded a short microcast outlining some of it. Should post shortly.
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# [cleverdevil] waves
# [cleverdevil] Happy Saturday, IndieWeb 🙂
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# [generativist] Excellent.
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# @ChrisAldrich The IndieWeb and Academic Research and Publishing (a microcast)
https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/28/the-indieweb-and-academic-research-and-publishing/ (twitter.com/_/status/1023347747011751938)