#indieweb 2018-07-27
2018-07-27 UTC
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Seattle Privacy Coalition" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Seattle Privacy Coalition is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-07-27.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@jgmac1106 I went with a multisite set up for the longest time. In fac t I probably had 10-15 blogs and sites. I used to do all my #IndieWeb stuff from a @withknown instance https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com and would spin one up for any class I took like… http://jgregorymcverry.com/5091-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1022782981935702016)
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jgmac1106_ morning all
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# jgmac1106_ going through all the apps I authorized in Twitter….it is a minefield of forgotten silos
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# @jgmac1106 Adding a Static Homepage to SemPress #IndieWeb Theme: http://youtu.be/O4keqr9zP2I?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1022801544654336001)
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# @jgmac1106 Adding #IndieWeb plugins to SemPress Theme: http://youtu.be/rt-MRjhoelo?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1022811449578676224)
# @jgmac1106 Display a link to posts in Independent Publisher #IndieWeb: http://youtu.be/sJ0VJhltuWU?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1022813049269506048)
# @jgmac1106 Adding Bridgy to SemPress #IndieWeb Theme: http://youtu.be/a3pAmJO3Pw4?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1022814996374413314)
# jgmac1106_ !tell gwg the post-kind plug in still doesn’t display the kinds until you go the setting menu at least once,
# jgmac1106_ oops wrong channel
# jgmac1106_ !tell loqi you need to learn how to move posts to other channels
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# jgmac1106_ not a big deal, it pops as soon as you visit the menu, going back to WordPress
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# @jgmac1106 Setting up Post Kind Plugin in SemPress #IndieWeb Theme: http://youtu.be/qVGfxfOj-G8?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1022818766403641344)
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[pfefferle] [jgmac1106] this is awesome, thanks! can I add the videos to the readmes?
# [pfefferle] [jgmac1106] ZenPress should also work with static start-pages now!
# [pfefferle] [jgmac1106]++
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@ooderaM ↩️ @WAJKoenitz How about Indieweb? Is it that what your looking for?
https://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1022840463533985792)
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# jgmac1106_ [pfefferle] yes, I do want to change the license first
# jgmac1106_ I did record using post-kind plugin but I don’t understand how well the plugin interacts with SemPress and ZenPress, etc. Going to record just using included post types as well
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[kim_landwehr] [jgmac1106] I did the same thing on Twitter a couple of days ago and you are so right. Some in my opinion that were better than the ones who survived.
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@scottjenson ↩️ The #indieweb movement (which I love and support) gets marginalized by this 'only makes sense if it's a viable company' metric. Early internet was crazy, I get it (Aristotle/Gopher/Web/etc) these things are never easy. Just surprised so few WANT something more open (twitter.com/_/status/1022854459775307781)
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@sil ↩️ Yeah. And I miss those days, when we were forging new ground and making a web for everyone. Building the web has matured, and that's because it's a critical piece and not a techie playground. But it's less fun. Indieweb is fun, but 3% fun and 97% working out how to get adoption (twitter.com/_/status/1022856664247087104)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Well on the #IndieWeb we remember to have fun doing that other 97% and 83.4% of the 97% of trouble usually caused by other platforms and silos, so let’s just carve a corner and make it 100% own web. Stumbled across first site I built from scratch no cms… http://jgregorymcverry.com/5117-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1022858632994742272)
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# [pfefferle] [jgmac1106] Ruxton started on the native support of Post Kinds for ZenPress and I have to find the time to merge that finally https://github.com/pfefferle/ZenPress/pull/13/files
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# jgmac1106_ [pfefferle] that looks like it would be native and not even require the post kinds? I just didn’t know if I should recommend people only use your native post types or if they can install the post-kind plugin and it will work. If there were any known mf2 conflicts for example I would delete the video
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# @jgmac1106 Joining the https://webcred.org now on reputation and thinking about the #IndieWeb rings @schmarty launched as source of reputation. I would love self-organized group of experts publishing from their own domain with strict ringbearer. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5130-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1022883482488451074)
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@chipotlecoyote An interesting IndieWeb-ish article: ActivityPub could be the future. I continue to be mildly concerned that two separate indie ecosystems seem to be developing around this, though. https://blog.digitalscofflaw.com/articles/activitypub-could-be-the-future/ (twitter.com/_/status/1022892082061565954)
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# jgmac1106_ miklb++
# jgmac1106_ for issue on WPrig
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[cleverdevil] I'm pitching setting up an internal instance of Known for my company for engineers to collaborate and post what they're learning about.
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# jgmac1106_ Loqi Ben is sitting next to tantek, he will have to tell him in person
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# [cleverdevil] In other news, I am just about done with my Facebook migration toolkit 🙂
# [cleverdevil] Should be able to use it on my wife's Facebook export this weekend, and then I'll release it to others.
# [cleverdevil] There's plenty of heuristics in there that will need tweaking as additional people try it out, but I am confident that it will be a useful tool!
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@producedbytobi Huge thanks to the good people @TheAltNation
Putting @FeinbergEcology new single THE STRAND front and center!
Check them out for the latest and greatest from the across the IndieWeb!
https://thealtnation.wordpress.com/
#NewMusicFriday #musicblog #musicblogger #indiemusic #newmusic #music (twitter.com/_/status/1022925898432110592)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @Paul_Kinlan wher are you templates? I'd like to fix your mf2 properly. Also, I think you might like Microsub https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/1022926700831748097)
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# jgmac1106_ so much of the first part of the credible web community group I felt like folks were trying to solve problems we already have tools for.
# jgmac1106_ Want a collection of vetted sources? Curate an RSS feed? Want reputation points
# jgmac1106_ karma++
# jgmac1106_ need a “special certificate” that says “Hey Look! I am with Credible”….it totally works….use a webring instead of baking one more thing into a certificate….from what sounded like a for-profit pitch, we finally got certs for free, let’s not return to the dark days
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gRegorLove For that certificate scenario, think you'd just need a link from the Org to you and a link back to them.
# gRegorLove Webring is a different use-case
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# jgmac1106_ no just a strict ringbearer, why couldn’t Haberman, after quitting Twiiter run a webring of her top 10 journalist and their sites, or even just publish a curated rss feed
# gRegorLove At work we build member directories pretty regularly, so that infrastructure is mostly there, just need the link back from the member's site.
# jgmac1106_ It was an off the wall idea but I just had all these images of an old verisign logo floating around nobody cared about
# jgmac1106_ just so skeptical of vocabulary doing this work, most interesting aspect was the student annotation, but I think the team measured learning more than agreement
# gRegorLove jgmac1106_, what's the credible web community group you're referring to?
# jgmac1106_ https://www.w3.org/community/credibility/ or what if an ultra-right wing group wanted a web ring of just their ten most “credible” sites, someone else BS somebody else truth, credibility defined by community not vocabulary
# jgmac1106_ I did like the FB idea if hey this article got flagged by ten other people let’s send out a questionaire or recruit contributors like Google Maps, I could see that as workable, its basically what we did when we built a fake facebook to assess how students evaluated author credibility a chat bot
# jgmac1106_ I knew [tantek] might go but it was nice to see [benwerd] on the attendee list as well for today
# jgmac1106_ been fun two days, yesterday I had hard time remoting in as I spent day with crashed hard drive and 5-8 edt is witching hour with house and three kids
# jgmac1106_ remote is more of a stream but I am here to lurk and figure out ideas for the grant…..rather than write the grant
# jgmac1106_ actually [benwerd] if you don’t already Matter should do a session on NIH, SBIR, and IES grants for your classes, good source of income that doesn’t take equity, usually have to give royalty free license to participating universities but they don’t go after IP….most of them
# Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-07-27.html
# jgmac1106_ but I could change the label on the room and this is the exact same discussion a group of middle school or high school teadhers would have about their students not using good research and source evaluation skills
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@kickscondor PSA: I’ve added a directory to http://Indieweb.xyz, which lists all blogs that have posted. They are listed under the sub where they post the most frequently. Working on getting descriptions, too. https://indieweb.xyz/blogs (twitter.com/_/status/1022947198399594497)
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# [pfefferle] [jgmac1106] there are no conflicts... you can use the native post formats or the post kinds plugin without any known issues in ZenPress
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# jgmac1106_ perfect, thanks
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] For badges, you could also do something along the lines of what kevinmarks did with distributed verification. If the person's site links to the certifier and the certifier links back to the the person's site, then they could use some code to add a checkmark or even the image of the badge itself as verification. See http://www.kevinmarks.com/distributed-verify.html
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# [chrisaldrich] or perhaps something like this in conjunction with webmention, that way if the credentialing site goes offline, one could feasibly have an archived version of the site's page somewhere like Archive.org to verify that, in fact, it was at one time linked.
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# jgmac1106_ that is a very interesting idea, for now gonna stick with [eddie] idea and figure out site to site, then think about the ledger next
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# jgmac1106_ In the end the badge webmention itself needs to have a link to the post with the criteria and evidence and a link to the post that learner says has the evidence
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# jgmac1106_ [benwerd] [tantek] this post by Kevin that Chris shared fits right wll into reputation problem being solved at a network level: http://www.kevinmarks.com/distributed-verify.html
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KartikPrabhu what is verification?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "verification" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "verification is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-07-27.html https://t.co/YFYBwDESQN (twitter.com/_/status/1022968644035198982)
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[kevinmarks] That London venue is so cyberpunk
# [kevinmarks] You could have reciprocal rel values for your badges, yes.
# [kevinmarks] http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-directory is close to the idea of "I'm in this group"
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