#indieweb 2018-08-29
2018-08-29 UTC
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ As I had mentioned to you earlier this year at #WCOC, the work on the IndieWeb concept of Microsub with respect to feed readers is continuing apace. In the last few months @aaronpk has opened up beta versions of his Aperture microsub server as [more...]
https://boffosocko.com/2018/08/28/reply-to-jan-cavan-boulas-about-wordpress-microsub-feed-reader/ (twitter.com/_/status/1034603362904231936)
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[kevinmarks] Silos gonna silo: Facebook retroactively undoes twitter PESATAS https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/28/17794168/facebook-cross-posted-tweets-twitter-api-changes
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petermolnar_ https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/29/teens-desert-social-media - interesting to see that nobody ever seems to include tumblr in social media. Maybe those things that resemble the traditional blogging aren't evaluated as social media? That could include indieweb, and might explain why nobody is looking at is a replacement, rather as an alternative way.
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# [kevinmarks] update on facebook/twitter PESATAS deletion: https://www.axios.com/how-cross-posted-tweets-disappeared-from-facebook-e65fd350-1898-4bc5-af0f-81e9614f5ec1.html
# [kevinmarks] “the Twitter app for the Facebook platform was essentially made useless earlier this month once Facebook officially removed the ability to cross-post. With the app's sole function eliminated, Twitter decided to delete it from the Facebook platform, having no reason to think that doing so would remove old tweets that were cross-posted. It's not clear whether Facebook knew this would happen, either.”
# petermolnar_ that is such a brilliant summary of FB
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jeremycherfas No collusion.
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[Andy] https://t.co/nlOV2UlJla
# [Andy] as you were
# petermolnar_ "We aren't dealing with ordinary machines here. These are highly complicated pieces of equipment. Almost as complicated as living organisms. In some cases, they have been designed by other computers. We don't know exactly how they work." https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070909/quotes?item=qt0449085
# petermolnar_ (btw this is the mind-blown important quote from the original Westworld movie from 1973, of course nobody was brave enough to put it on the series, but this is -chat, sorry)
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@jgmac1106 I need to rethink my two hour a day #IndieWeb work now that the kids are back in school. 5-7 just got much busier. I either need to get up an hour earlier (not happening) or figure out a new way to build in my daily hacks. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6270-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1034760820205477889)
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@pauljacobson Geeking out with #IndieWeb and http://Micro.blog, and trying to avoid too many rabbit holes. https://pauljacobson.me/b/Azy (twitter.com/_/status/1034817396693983232)
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@TheDavidJohnson Interesting thoughts here about a "centralized" digital future vs. a "de-centralized" one. Reminds me a lot of what the #IndieWeb folks have been thinking about & working on for a long time https://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1034838503824269312)
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tantek__ It appears from reading https://mastodon.cloud/@wilw that (assuming he is blocking people who are using nonsense/unnecessary profanity) that Mastodon has the same problem as Twitter, blocked account comments still show up on your post permalinks
# tantek__ e.g. this seemingly innocuous post: https://mastodon.cloud/@wilw/100572583503071267 generated a mix of commentary (search for f- word for a particularly rude example)
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Loqi [Wil Wheaton] A few of you have asked, so: It's a long way to go, but I think I found a way to more or less verify my actual identity, here at mastodon.cloud, by using my verified Facebook account to verify myself, here.https://www.facebook.com/itswilwheaton/posts...
# tantek__ more info / screenshots appreciated: https://indieweb.org/block#Mastodon
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[chrisaldrich] I came across the word "anomie" this morning and immediately thought it should be applied to social silos in an IndieWeb context.
# [chrisaldrich] I was distraught that KevinMarks doesn't already have a 2,500 word essay on the topic already. Alas, I'll have to circle back to stubbing it out sometime later... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie
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[keithjgrant] What is schema.org?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "schema.org" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "schema.org is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [keithjgrant] Loqi?
# [keithjgrant] Anybody know about the relationship between schema.org vs microformats?
# [chrisaldrich] KevinMarks always has something: http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html
# [chrisaldrich] I know aaronpk has written about them in the past with a nice chart as well...
# [keithjgrant] (honestly, I think an attribute-based approach massages more sense than class-based)
# [chrisaldrich] in practice you can use all the microdata simultaneously, but who wants to maintain all that infrastructure.
# [keithjgrant] chrisaldrich++ thanks for the links
# [chrisaldrich] As always it comes down to what problem are you trying to solve? Why are you using them?
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# [keithjgrant] What is Microdata?
# Loqi Microdata is a more complex way of adding metadata to html than microformats https://indieweb.org/Microdata
# [keithjgrant] Should we alias schema.org to that entry?
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gRegorLove That could probably be more neutral with a criticisms section^
# [kevinmarks] Interesting suggestion for a websub feature too https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/8518
# gRegorLove Updated /microdata
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# [kevinmarks] [chrisaldrich] https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/26560346570?s=19
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@kevinmarks Good writeup by @jhagel on how legacy media's anomie is behind the acclamation for The Social Network's twisted world: http://bit.ly/d3m30P (twitter.com/_/status/26560346570)
# [chrisaldrich] Thanks kevinmarks, I almost misread that handle as Hegel though...
# [chrisaldrich] gRegorLove++ for suggesting neutrality... I was surprised there wasn't a snarky entry for schema to begin with.
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# Loqi jargon is a specific unobvious word, concept, or technology (like Webmention), or re-use of a word to mean something other than its common meaning (like feed), or sometimes re-using a word as an acronym (like POSSE) https://indieweb.org/jargon
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@idislikegabo @katsushiro this might be of interest https://indieweb.org/silo-quits (twitter.com/_/status/1034889501909442561)
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jgmac1106 this spat about Will Wheaton on Mastodon is quite intriguing: https://mastodon.social/@eweish1/100634559088790165
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# tantek__ please review for accuracy, neutrality, factuality etc.: https://indieweb.org/dunking
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@bradenslen These Indieweb Folks Just Might Be on to Something https://ramblinggit.com/2018/08/these-indieweb-folks-just-might-be-on-to-something/ (twitter.com/_/status/1034943196613300224)
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# tantek__ another interesting article from that site: https://ramblinggit.com/2018/08/when-the-social-silos-fall/
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