#indieweb 2018-08-30

2018-08-30 UTC
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@mattl ↩️ Yeah. Diaspora was using our mailing list when they were getting started before they had their own. We all met up at OSCON and that meeting spurred the creation of the IndieWeb community. MediaGoblin, I helped them get started too. This stuff was my life in 2009-12. (twitter.com/_/status/1034971169810796545)
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tantek__ No we did not "all met up at OSCON". We all met up at /FSWS2010 which then spurred aaronpk and me to fork off an create IndieWeb
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tantek__ was there an OSCON in July 2010 in Portland? Is that perhaps the source of confusion?
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tantek__ what is timeline
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Loqi The timeline briefly documents key IndieWeb (and influencing thereof) terms/ideas/concepts, implementations, specifications, events, and other achievements; people involved, and dates/URLs for each https://indieweb.org/timeline
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aaronpk There was, but I don't think i went in 2010
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tantek__ Ah I see the source of likely confusion. FSWS was 2010-07-18
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tantek__ OSCON was 2010-07-19..23! https://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/oscon2010
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tantek__ literally the day after FSWS2010
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tantek__ I also did not go to OSCON 2010
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aaronpk wow I didn't realize that it was right after! Was that the reason that date was chosen for FSWS?
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tantek__ Maybe! We'd have to ask evan
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tantek__ has anyone listened to the podcast in that thread? http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/if_then/2018/08/mastodon_founder_eugen_rochko_is_building_a_nazi_free_alternative_to_twitter.html
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tantek__ wow TIL: http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2017/08/18/mastodon-is-big-in-japan-the-reason-why-is-uncomfortable/
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@t ↩️ are you confusing #OSCON2010 & #FSWS2010 (which was literally the day before #OSCON)? #FSWS2010 was the meeting that spurred us (@aaronpk @t) to create the #IndieWeb community. Neither of us went to OSCON that year. cc: @aprilaser More: http://tantek.com/t4wC1 (twitter.com/_/status/1034980357207203840)
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tantek__ aaronpk good enough ^^^ ?
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aaronpk nice
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tantek__ and wow those FSWS2010 tweets. goodness sakes the memories
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tantek__ https://twitter.com/hashtag/fsws2010?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash
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tantek__ !tell Manton ICYMI, some praise in the middle of an otherwise very critical thread: https://twitter.com/adrienneleigh/status/1030890602940887040
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@adrienneleigh @sadlerjw http://Micro.blog is actually awesome, as far as i can tell! It's a slightly different kind of thing but I've seen the guy who built it talk about it and i think it's pretty cool. (twitter.com/_/status/1030890602940887040)
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aaronpk wow
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tantek__ yeah!
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[manton] [tantek] Nice, thanks for pointing that out!
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Loqi [manton]: tantek__ left you a message 2 hours, 21 minutes ago: ICYMI, some praise in the middle of an otherwise very critical thread: https://twitter.com/adrienneleigh/status/1030890602940887040
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@prtksxna Diversity on http://micro.blog and and the @indiewebcamp — > These are many hurdles. The way I see it, they all come from the Indieweb movement and how that movement was birthed in the first place. https://vega.micro.blog/2018/08/20/diversity-on-microblog.html (twitter.com/_/status/1035039661910118400)
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Zegnat That post is amazing ^^^
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sknebel bookmarks for later
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@romanzolotarev Oh my,... won't name sites. Dear web developers, if your webapp weights more than 500KB (on page load) you are doing it wrong. If it's a static page (text and pictures) it should be in 1KB-100KB range. #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1035055414767964160)
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[kevinmarks] that is a good post, and food for thought.
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[kevinmarks] generations << “the “self-made” webmaster who builds a self-contained website, independent of the centralized aggregate (and by extension, The Man), using home-grown tools, falls very much in line with the values of the American Dream.” https://vega.micro.blog/2018/08/20/diversity-on-microblog.html
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Loqi ok, I added "“the “self-made” webmaster who builds a self-contained website, independent of the centralized aggregate (and by extension, The Man), using home-grown tools, falls very much in line with the values of the American Dream.” https://vega.micro.blog/2018/08/20/diversity-on-microblog.html" to the "See Also" section of /generations https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51399&oldid=50223
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Loqi Diversity on Micro.blog, from a minority viewpoint.
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tantek__ Zegnat, KevinMarks_ I feel like I've seen that post already but maybe only briefly skimmed it
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tantek__ I dug a little deeper (timeline, replies to) and found this presentation which IMO is far more interesting: https://www.sachajudd.com/one-direction/
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jeremycherfas Zegnat; I didn't think Vega's post was that amazing when I first read it. Re-reading, I'm still not sure that it is anything more than one person's perspective of a complicated thing. They do admit to a reductionist point of view. Overall, my response is that nobody is forcing anybody to use any social site. It is a choice.
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jeremycherfas And yes, I find Sacha Judd's more thought provoking.
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@grahamormiston ↩️ @aahaslam #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1035068606072139776)
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Zegnat I think Vega does a good job of pointing out at what points we might be "losing" people
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jeremycherfas I agree. And I have almost lost myself at times. I also think it is still early days, and that because there is no single thing that is the IndieWeb it is very difficult to see how to fix that. When I see the discussions going on about the various kinds of auth and the error messages and all the rest of it, I don't say that I am excluded. I say, better wait a little while.
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[kevinmarks] https://friend.camp/@darius/100637622590711957
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[kevinmarks] Gah. Hidden post.
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Zegnet I guess not everything is meant to be shared, [kevinmarks] ;)
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Zegnet Hmm. Somehow got disconnected
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[kevinmarks] [aaronpk] follow darius on mastodon if you can
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@antonsten @voxpelli Kör du Jekyll + Indieweb? (twitter.com/_/status/1035088902032379904)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ Apologies for having missed a few of your recent questions/mentions, but I've been on a bit of a vacation recently and am just catching up on some of the pieces of web technology you've been delving into. (Congratulations on jumping in with [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2018/08/30/reply-to-geeking-out-with-indieweb-and-micro-blog-paul-jacobson/ (twitter.com/_/status/1035092710678454272)
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@Christo37433424 I just love reading stories about personal experience of people who meet #IndieWeb for the first time. This is what inspires me: http://bit.ly/2NvAZu4 #story #inspiring #newtech #TechNews #Technical (twitter.com/_/status/1035113309639462912)
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@voxpelli ↩️ Minns inte hur mycket det står i https://voxpelli.com/2016/03/my-2015-in-indieweb/ och https://voxpelli.com/2015/09/oberoende-sociala-webben-2015/, men det kan vara en start. Kort sagt är det du behöver ha: 1. WebMentions 2. Microformats 2 markup 3. WebSub för realtidsuppdatering 4. Ev Micropub för publicering (twitter.com/_/status/1035118484999602177)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Thanks after 12 years of bad grooming I simply throughout my feeds and I am starting over. BTW if you ever do want to take the plunge and migrate to a WordPress site with all the #IndieWeb tools I am happy to help. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6297-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1035143988259508224)
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: ohh is that why clicking the permalink returns 404? I was wondering! I saw the post in my reader but was confused when I tried clicking through
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[kevinmarks] do you have another way to ping him? He seems to be building something very microsub shaped, and you should be chatting
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aaronpk I can see his posts I just can't reply to them because my code expects the permalinks to be visible. I'll try to fix that
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[kevinmarks] ah, OK. You're both in Portland, so should be able to meet
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skippy ahoy hoy
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@crazypedia ↩️ « #indieweb https://xoxo.zone/@KevinMarks/100638519874897709 (3/3) (twitter.com/_/status/1035174816406417409)
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snarfed morning all
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[davidmead] morning
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[davidmead] what’s with the Matt Trout posts? looks dodgy and i’m not clicking on it to find out
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[davidmead] seeing them in #dev and #indieweb from 2 differnt users
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aaronpk [davidmead]: that's spam that is somehow still leaking through to slack
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[davidmead] eek
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[davidmead] btw aaronpk, aperture is good again for me. thanks
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aaronpk oh good
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aaronpk ahhh they changed the spam phrase slightly so one got through to slack. at least the auto-blocking is working still.
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[davidmead] just had to do a couple of login/out dances with the different readers I’m using, but it’s all back to working great
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aaronpk excellent
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[davidmead] had to add a ‘new’ account to indigenous with the slash after my URL and it popped right back into showing the feeds
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[davidmead] so the readers now see `davidjohnmead.com/blog` and `davidjohnmead.com/blog/` as different
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Zegnat Those two are different, so that sounds right :)
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Zegnat Might have something to do with a recent URL normalisation that aaronpk did to Aperture? I think it came to light when someone accidentally created two accounts.
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aaronpk yeah that's what started this whole thing
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aaronpk I forgot to post-process all the existing accounts to convert them to the correct URL
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[keithjgrant] Has anybody experimented with syndicating to Buffer?
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@Shoq ↩️ .@kevinmarks and the rest of @indiewebcamp crew foresaw this social media drama years ago, and proposed we wean ourselves from the giant media social silos sooner than later. Few cared back then. Now we have to go much farther than that, and much faster. (twitter.com/_/status/1035258885513330689)
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KartikPrabhu not sure why the subtweet there ^
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[kevinmarks] That's the opposite of a subtweet - a leading @ would only have gone to people who follow both of us
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KartikPrabhu isn't the .@ supposed to stop that?
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gRegorLove .@ just makes it public so all your followers see it
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gRegorLove What is subtweet?
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Loqi A subtweet is a tweet commenting about someone without including their @-name, so they are not notified https://indieweb.org/subtweet
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