#indieweb 2018-08-31

2018-08-31 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] He's not got webmentions set up yet, but I suspect Michael would appreciate some words of encouragement on his new site: http://michaeldunne.me/2018/08/30/hello-world/ particularly from any librarians, academics, or photographers
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-08-31.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@webpoint_new #wp_Dev #Github "Micropub is an open API standard that is used to create posts on one's own domain using third-party clients. Web apps and native apps (e.g. iPhone, ......" https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-micropub (twitter.com/_/status/1035422175719763968)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas !tell metbril I see youy're taking an interest in the Grav webmention plugin; I tried using it and in the end gave up because the data it returned were so inconsistent, depending on the source markup. Tried to get it to use XRay instead but my ability wasn't up to it then.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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jeremycherfas Good morning segnat
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jeremycherfas Or even zegnat
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Zegnat Hi jeremycherfas! Today the last eposide of our daily bread podcast?
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jeremycherfas Yes! I actually scheduled it early yesterday, so I have had a day of hardly knowing what to do with myself.
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Zegnat Guess this is a welcome back to you then, haha :D
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jeremycherfas It is.
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jeremycherfas Trying to decide whether to spend $25 to upgrade Scrivener as I try to pummel my bread notes into book for, or whether there might be a better way.
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Zegnat Well … there is always HTML!
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jeremycherfas There is a free 30-day trial, so may use that.
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jeremycherfas HTML for the final output, maybe. But you have no idea how many bits and pieces I have in MD files.
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Zegnat Ah, yes, actually collating everything into one piece is the hardest part of such a flow
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jeremycherfas -> chat
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[kevinmarks] More to think about as we make replying easier http://natdudley.com/blog/twitter-ux-and-bullying/
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[jgmac1106] [jeremycherfas] I haveplayed with Scalar, it isn't bad....though I like <p> tags more than <br> but has decent markdown options
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[jgmac1106] I can make you an account here: http://longform.jgregorymcverry.com/ if you want to play and see if you like it
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[jgmac1106] but I too am working on a book, my co-authors and editors want us in Google Docs, but I need to move it to HTML edventually..happy to just build a book template with you or hack on the many existing open sourced html templtes
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@stijndm Die IndieWeb initiatieven zien er best interessant uit. https://indieweb.org https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1035482101783638017)
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[kevinmarks] pours one out for when Google docs was html
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[kevinmarks] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2007/02/misunderstanding-innovators-dilemma.html
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@brad_frost ↩️ I'm making a big push to implement a lot of #indieweb features on my site, and so far I'm surprised how damn easy it all is. Great resource here: https://indiewebify.me/ (twitter.com/_/status/1035527031293980673)
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[eddie] kevinmarks: “Don’t show me replies to this tweet or tweet thread anymore, and don’t allow retweets of this tweet anymore’.” Is a pretty interesting idea. Essentially is making it easy for either a CMS to not display the webmention endpoint on that permalink or to just ignore all replies sent to that permalink
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Zegnat I think “don’t allow retweets” is a little weird. That’s a sharing action that seems core to Twitter. And if I want to show your tweet on my timeline to my followers, surely I should be allowed to share? (Without having to share a screenshot of it.)
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[eddie] That’s true, i wonder if it could (in twitters case) disable quote tweets to prevent dunking
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[eddie] Of course in the open web, you can prevent reposts really, but you can prevent notifications of reposts, quotes and replies
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[eddie] In the open web you can’t prevent reposts really*
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GWG That reminds me, what should a repost look like?
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aaronpk what is a repost?
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Loqi A repost on the indieweb is a post that is purely a 100% re-publication of another post. The act of reposting is an umbrella term that covers the general practice of republishing another post typically on the same service or silo, but more and more across sites https://indieweb.org/repost
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aaronpk I think that's pretty well documented there, and has plenty of examples
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GWG Someone said that of I don't include the entire article, it isn't a repost
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[eddie] I think for an article, you would just need to repost whatever a “preview” is of the article on your site. So either title or summary
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aaronpk I dunno, if you're not showing the full thing you're not really reposting it, you're just sharing a preview of it
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aaronpk tumblr does reposts of articles right? look there for examples
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petermolnar tumblr... well, yes and no. Tumblr is more like one, original post, and reposts are comments
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petermolnar it's confusing due to the way it presents it
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aaronpk I thought if you reposted a thing on tumblr then the entire thing ends up shown on your own profile page
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aaronpk (not talking about how a post displays the fact that it has been reposted elsewhere right now)
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petermolnar it does. and strictly speaking, it's a complete repost. However, in reality, it's more like a chain of reactions to a source.
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petermolnar but it's true that even if the source is deleted, the chain sticks
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petermolnar so you're right, it's mostly a repost.
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vilhalmer it used to be a complete copy of the post, though more recently they've made it impossible to edit the op
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vilhalmer so that you can't make it look like people said something they didn't
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vilhalmer or it's harder, anyway
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aaronpk so that sounds even more like a pure repost then
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vilhalmer it is an enforced repost, yeah
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vilhalmer tumblr works mostly like an email chain
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petermolnar YES that's a perfect summary there
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aaronpk GWG: think of it this way. if you say you reposted something, and i'm following you in my reader, then my reader should be able to show me the full thing you are reposting without having to go fetch the original.
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vilhalmer of course they enhance it with guaranteed attribution for each reply
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aaronpk if you've only shared a portion of it, then you haven't reposted it, because I have to go fetch the original to show the whole thing
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GWG You see the debate here
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aaronpk the debate? no, it sounds like there are various things added to the idea of reposts here
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[jgmac1106] bookmark or share=snippet repost=entire source
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GWG My debate on how I display them when I get different thoughts. It is harder for me because people install my work a lot
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GWG jgmac1106, I like that
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GWG But how do you distinguish between things you keep for yourself and things you want to share?
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GWG Share specifically, not share because everything is shared
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jgmac1106 If I like it for myself, its always something I share…but that’s how I role
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jgmac1106 roll
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jgmac1106 but in the links manager you can check “keep it private” pages I “unlist” or password protect
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petermolnar but wouldn't snippet be a quote and not a share? when is which?
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petermolnar or is that a different thing?
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aaronpk "share" is kind of meaningless at this point
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aaronpk cause everything gets called "share"
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jgmac1106 I see the snippet being the excerpt a feed includes
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petermolnar ok, we certainly have "link", that is obvious
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jgmac1106 a quote is me selecting a specific segment and saying X said Y, with possibly a reaction
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petermolnar there is a snippet type share/repost, which is either viewed as quote, share, repost
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petermolnar and there's the full copy, which can only be a repost
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@heinz #indieweb #stm18 https://t.co/uPfhnTNwN0 (twitter.com/_/status/1035539000830906370)
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[kevinmarks] Who's at https://www.zylstra.org/blog/stuff-that-matters-unconference-2018-smart-home-edition/
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Loqi Smart Stuff that Matters Unconference 2018
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@jgmac1106 Slowly but surely rebuilding my followers page using the old @wordpress link manager. Who I follow should be up to me and not a bird machine or a federated extinct large mammal machine. h/t @chrisaldrich #IndieWeb Following (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6339-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1035546631800860673)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Rejecting Montfort’s “Post-web era” while embracing The Future" http://fogknife.com/2018-08-31-rejecting-montforts-post-web-era-while-embracing-the-future.html
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[tantek] Anyone know Heinz? https://www.instagram.com/p/BnJYzIIglRg/
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Loqi [Heinz Wittenbrink] #indieweb #stm18 https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/2e9c95cf1a2fa3bdd6a4a0de69436d2b/5C37E362/t51.2885-15/e35/39539724_2236171403271331_7872106618941341696_n.jpg
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[kevinmarks] http://www.bricoleur.org/2018/08/recent-podcasts-articles-on-content.html
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Wow, well if you got the travel budget come up to @IndieWebCamp NYC 28 Sept 28-29th. If not I see you are in Baltimore you should catch up with @schmarty and get yourself and students to HWC-Baltimore (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6347-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1035597347303161856)
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@jgmac1106 @adicu Hey folks, I have followed your work for some time. Thanks for all you do. Can you please share this info about @indiewebcamp NYC with members: https://indieweb.org/NYC/2018 we would love to have you join us. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6349-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1035599520271400962)
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@EFFaustin Homebrew Website Club Meetup this Wednesday! https://www.facebook.com/eff.austin/posts/10155524781337536 (twitter.com/_/status/1035615355220180994)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-08-31.html
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-08-31.html
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-08-31.html (twitter.com/_/status/1035652207742410752)
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