#indieweb 2018-09-07

2018-09-07 UTC
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miklb the great XOXO chat silence
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[tantek] 👋 [mikirk]
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[tantek] 👋 [miklb]
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miklb XOXO FOMO I could make a mint selling those t-shirts 😂
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bradenslen wow it's quiet
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mblaney hi indieweb, I just got back from hiking in the outback for a few days, used the flight home to catch up on logs :-)
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GWG Thoughts?
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mblaney there was one thought on vouch I wanted to share. I read the discussion in the context of mastodon admins having to take on too much of a burden, and how we can simplify that process.
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mblaney so it seems that whitelists are required to deal with the mess, and vouch needs to work. aaronpk pointed out that some of his likes shouldn't be taken as vouch-worthy.
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mblaney I was thinking that vouch could take this into account by requiring the vouch url be u-in-reply-to rather than just proof-of-link.
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mblaney ie a reply means more than a like or repost.
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miklb that makes sense to me
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mblaney GWG, I assume you weren't asking for my thoughts on hiking ;-)
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mblaney cool I'm glad that makes sense miklb.
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mblaney it was interesting to read how shared lists can both help and cause issues for moderation too.
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GWG mblaney, no
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GWG But I am interested in vouch lists, which are problematic
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GWG I wasn't here either. Plane without wifi, feh
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mblaney1 would be good to get those vouch problems up on the wiki GWG
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GWG mblaney, I thought I did at IWS
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GWG I rewrote the Vouch page
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mblaney yeah I'm just reading that again now.
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mblaney the vouch page is good GWG, we probably need a new page for vouch lists and the issues involved in sharing them, but I think I would like to write some more code before getting too much further into it.
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GWG I tied mine to a manual domain whitelist
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mblaney I think I will do that too GWG. I just added what I have currently to the /block_list page, which might be a good place to gather more thoughts on how to improve usability of both black and white lists.
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GWG I also had a bunch of ideas re following lists that I haven't implemented
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miklb is there an opportunity to introduce new terminology for those lists?
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GWG My idea was to use follow posts to generate a following list, which can be used for vouch
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@mattmcmanus I updated my site to accept bookmarks over my new micropub endpoint. This #indieweb thing is neat. https://mcmanus.io/notes (twitter.com/_/status/1037901543637479431)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-09-07.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@autiomaa ↩️ Lack of proper content discovery is a key issue for Twitter and Facebook. At the same time, lack of easy commenting functionality is a limiting factor for blogs, etc. IndieWeb has ideas https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started on how to do interoperable websites, focusing on personal publishing. (twitter.com/_/status/1037947554560962560)
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@autiomaa ↩️ Their goals https://indieweb.org/ are good: "When you post something on the web, it should belong to you, not a corporation." "Show before tell. Prioritize by scratching your own itches, creating, iterating on your own site." (twitter.com/_/status/1037948439689080832)
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@mattl ↩️ @kf Not sure. But there’s IndieWeb stuff at 10am-noon at Cup & Bar. I’ll be there (twitter.com/_/status/1037967672468680704)
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@rMdes_ ↩️ had our crowdfunding at the same time as you, and I think we both come from IndieWeb mouvement :) ) We are working in the reboot of https://libre.sh to help hosters host awesomly their users :) https://mastodon.indie.host/@pierreozoux/100683208320141667 (2/2) (twitter.com/_/status/1037974546945474561)
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@davemillar ↩️ @meaghan_garvey Working on it! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1037979099954704385)
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@xtof_party Merci @Evlf pour l'alerte ! Inscrit avec joie à ce #ParisCarnet spécial anciens combattants ! Serai ravi d'échanger sur premières expérimentations #indieweb @microdotblog ! (twitter.com/_/status/1037980201328758784)
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[pfefferle] good morning
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@niklas_jordan test for using bridgy https://www.niklasjordan.com/blog/copernicus-sentinel-5p-releases-first-data #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1038015045018574849)
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@drupal8modules New #alpha version released for #drupal8 #module indieweb (8.x-1.0-alpha12). More info: https://www.drupal.org/project/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1038084595844083712)
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@t going to the Friday XOXO #indieweb / #mastodon meetup! 10-12:00 Cup & Bar, 118 NE Martin Luther King Jr Blvd Join us for coffee & chat about independent websites, like how to replace #socialmedia use with your personal site! #openweb #dweb #fediverse http://tantek.com/t4wL4 (twitter.com/_/status/1038093364720226304)
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[xavierroy] https://wronghands1.com/2018/09/07/cyber-cemetery/
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[xavierroy] Anyone thinks this should go to /site-deaths
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@manton2 Two meetups to check out today if you’re in Portland! IndieWeb (10-noon at Cup & Bar) and our Micro Meetup (5-7pm at Von Ebert Brewing — @macgenie and @cheesemaker will be there at 3:30pm). Everyone’s welcome! http://macgenie.micro.blog/2018/08/31/195016.html (twitter.com/_/status/1038097764805169152)
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@jamstatic_fr ↩️ @philhawksworth @dhh @IFTTT @Netlify Why not POSSEE the other way around? #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1038101832604811264)
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@gwhilts Indoor bike parking FTW! #XOXOfesest #Social #mastodon & #indieweb @ Cup & Bar https://www.instagram.com/p/BnboBV4hUP_/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=eg1agzq291n6 (twitter.com/_/status/1038102080597020673)
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@davemillar About to catch the bus for the #indieweb meet! #XOXOFest #XOXOSocial (via https://puz.fun/dave/100685469177845438) (twitter.com/_/status/1038104765165707265)
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snarfed !tell mblaney re replies "meaning more" than links etc, you may be interested in indie map's scoring formula: https://indiemap.org/docs.html#formula
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Indie Map
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[kevinmarks] Re new terminology - blocklist is a fine replacement for blacklist. Whitelist has always had a fuzzier meaning. Followlist, showlist, likelist?
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@CoperniX Good morning #Portland! Perfect weather to meet new friends - who's heading to the #IndieWeb meetup? #XOXOFest https://ift.tt/2wR8u3S (twitter.com/_/status/1038126503928717312)
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miklb If vouch is the goal, why not that be the replacement for whitelist?
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Amgine Because it is singular.
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Amgine Also, just saw this: https://blog.apnic.net/2018/08/31/id4me-using-the-dns-as-a-directory-for-identities/
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@kellyyychang Hello #xoxofest #indieweb meetup https://t.co/f83t2WkvaF (twitter.com/_/status/1038139755077095424)
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[kiai] hello indieweb
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@dietrich Taco loggers, hologram designers and puzzle makers at the #xoxofest #indieweb meetup. http://bit.ly/2wQDlNe https://t.co/07SO271U6I (twitter.com/_/status/1038150557603647488)
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@sil ↩️ agreed with this. I post book reviews to my own site, and then also to Goodreads; it's nice to have them published somewhere else where people may come across them, but not to solely depend on that. This is the "POSSE" approach from the indieweb peeps, which I quite like. (twitter.com/_/status/1038154745507209216)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-09-07.html
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[tantek] Oh hey we need photos for the meetups today and Wednesday for the newsletter!
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tantek__ If you came to today's IndieWeb meetup at XOXO, add yourself! https://indieweb.org/events/2018-09-07-xoxo-indieweb#RSVP
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Zegnat Looks like the IndieWeb has been busy the last ~2 days I wasn’t here. So many logs.
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tantek__ better than no logs! :) also that's -meta :)
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GWG Zegnat, you were gone?
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doubleloop1 Hello all
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[eddie] Interestingly I had just thought earlier today “I haven’t seen Zegnat in awhile”
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doubleloop1 I'm trying to set up microsub with Aperture and monocle but having a little trouble
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Zegnat I feel like I was gone. Was at most 2 days though, GWG, so stretching the definition of gone.
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doubleloop1 On Wordpress
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[eddie] Welcome doubleloop1
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doubleloop1 Which channel is best to ask about that?
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Zegnat Probably dev :)
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Zegnat Or go to the wordpress one, if you think the problem is with that specifically
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doubleloop1 OK thanks :)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-09-07.html
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[tantek] Success!!
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Zegnat I totally missed the preview, [tantek], sorry! But it looks great in my inbox :D
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-09-07.html https://t.co/o8BKggqYsV (twitter.com/_/status/1038188938056192000)
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@wp2static “It’s not our job to please Google and make our websites nice for them. No, they got this the wrong way round – it’s their job to make sense of our websites, because without us Google wouldn’t exist.” #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1038191867844747264)
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Zegnat Good tweet ^^^ :) As I said in my rel-me thing: “this markup is not for the sake of Google”.
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@brucegodin → Sunlit 2.2 is here - Manton Reece Check out Sunlit! It is a great indie web Instagram alternative, where you own the photos you post because they are posted to a domain you own. #gosilofree #indieweb https://www.manton.org/2018/09/04/sunlit-is-here.html (twitter.com/_/status/1038202309925318656)
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[keithjgrant] I think there's something I'm not understanding trying to setup bridgy fed. I'm using superfeedr for my WebSub. I can subscribe from https://websub.rocks/, but I don't see updates. I just see the "waiting for notifications" spinner forever
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[keithjgrant] meanwhile, new posts are showing up in my rss reader (even with a superfeedr favicon to taunt me)