#indieweb 2018-09-12

2018-09-12 UTC
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@schmarty XOXO Fest happened, fighting in the Fediverse, and new microsub clients bloom. It's your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for September 1st - 7th, 2018. https://martymcgui.re/2018/09/11/195743/ (twitter.com/_/status/1039665112406212608)
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snarfed slvr jacky: even only once per instance can be a problem when there are thousands of instances (or more) :P https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/4486#issuecomment-395076695
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Loqi [snarfed] i noticed this recently too. >1k requests in <45s, >25qps. not a disaster, my site handled it fine, but still, noticeable. small thread on it here: https://mastodon.technology/@snarfed/100119606571241751 , cc @ashfurrow @neekz0r. <img width="530" ...
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aaronpk schmarty++ ooh a double feature!
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@jgmac1106 100% Agree. Build and be community we want to see. First and fore most I think this means doubling down efforts to to bridge #HipHopEd and #IndieWeb. You control the cadence when you drop the code. Own  beats when their your bytes #HipHopEd (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6633-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1039694579321192448)
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slvr if you are trying to corolate rap and code.... godam that is actually brilliant.
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@jgmac1106 why I ❤️ web. We play with Loqi, the coolest bot in #IndieWeb chat, to make an article stub about needing  “not-it emoji”  then @aaronpk immediately designs the perfect not-it emoji: https://indieweb.org/not-it_emoji and adds the img to  wiki (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6635-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1039700122580541440)
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[schmarty] slvr: I once had a single-user mastodon instance but I dev-oops’d it into oblivion too many times on accident. One day I’d like to have my site support AP-style follows and notifications but for now I am satisfied with supporting h-feed/atom/RSS and websub 😅
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[schmarty] aaronpk: a double feature to get caught up 😰
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[jgmac1106] @slvr IndieWeb and Hip Hop could partners IMO but yes took a little liberty with alliteration in the tweet
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aaronpk schmarty++
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[jgmac1106] HipHopEd is a very active community of progressive educators and I think the digital divide is too often translated into bias of low expectations. Want to do all I can to let communities shine on indieweb
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[jgmac1106] @slvr now you got me thinking IndieWeb is HipHop, minus all the white dudes, the url as tagging identity, remix culture not only KLF could be proud of, but the Kingston Deejays throwing speakers in the back of a pick up truck,
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[jgmac1106] Should have been in chat sorry... I dig metaphors
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KartikPrabhu yes #chat
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://www.arush.io/?p=94157
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@nitinthewiz IndieWeb folks - I want to use the IndieWeb plugin to make both linkblog and normal posts on my WordPress blog. Do I just need the Post Kinds addon plugin? Can someone guide me? (twitter.com/_/status/1039739399544680448)
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nitinkhanna daaaamn. So my tweet came here? Wow!
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nitinkhanna My confusion about the IndieWeb plugin and how it works with Indepedent Publisher theme on WordPress is -
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nitinkhanna that I create a 'bookmark' or 'reply' and the WordPress post 'type' is Standard. It seems to work, but it's got a big space for the title of the post. But if I change the WP post type to aside, it shows better, but the URL stops working...
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KartikPrabhu GWG: ^
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jeremycherfas !tell nitinkhanna There’s a super friendly bot who listens to some silos for certain words.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG nitinkhanna: Post Formats, the feature you are thinking that uses "Standard" and "Aside"... Post Kinds is meant to replace that with Indieweb Kinds. But like anything else, the theme would have to be aware. To protect for themes otherwise, Post Kinds sets the format automatically based on the Kind.
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nitinkhanna Loqi bot is also interesting! :D
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Loqi nitinkhanna: jeremycherfas left you a message 5 minutes ago: There’s a super friendly bot who listens to some silos for certain words.
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nitinkhanna GWG - so if I leave it to the default thing, it remains Standard...
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GWG Interesting. Probably because the selector is overriding the settings in the plugin.
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nitinkhanna Whch is fine by me, except I don't want to use the main IndieWeb Post Kind - Article. I want to keep that 'Standard' thing normal...
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GWG I wish that theme was accepting pull requests.
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nitinkhanna Independent Publisher? Raam is pretty cool with accepting PRs, no?
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GWG nitinkhanna: Raam hasn't done many updates in the last year. I think he may be busy elsewhere
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nitinkhanna could be...
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nitinkhanna perhaps rolling out a Independent Publisher+IndieWeb version of the theme on github would be acceptable?
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GWG nitinkhanna: I thought about updating the PR I sent in my fork. It was never completed.
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nitinkhanna GWG - if I may stress the point - what 'type' are IndieWeb post kinds to WordPress database? Are they a new type of post altogether? Or are they a subtype of Standard?
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GWG nitinkhanna: Standard is a Post Format. All Posts are post type 'post'
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GWG Post Format is a Taxonomy. As is Post Kind.
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GWG So, one is a drop in replacement for the other
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nitinkhanna oh ok...
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nitinkhanna So Posts -> Post Format -> Standard and Posts -> Post Kind -> Article
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GWG Yes. Article is roughly equivalent to standard
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GWG You can't add Post Formats, so I reproduced it
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GWG And added more classifications to represent Indieweb types
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nitinkhanna and if I create a bunch of Articles and bookmarks and then uninstall the indieweb plugins, they downgrade to Post Format or remain as Post Kind?
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nitinkhanna oh one can't add Post Formats? That's... Oh now I remember it. There's a fixed list of them on the WP site
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GWG nitinkhanna: They'd just be posts.
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GWG nitinkhanna: The post kind would still be in the database, but it wouldn't be expressed or styled.
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nitinkhanna got it... Thanks! Last question I guess - What's a "note"? The Post Kinds plugin has this option - Default Kind for New Posts
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GWG What is a note?
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Loqi A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page https://indieweb.org/note
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GWG Loqi is helpful that way
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nitinkhanna I removed Article from "Select All Kinds You Wish to Use" and it went away from the
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GWG The closest equivalent in Post Formats is Aside.
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nitinkhanna Oh... hehe Loqi is nice!
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GWG nitinkhanna: If you don't use a kind, you can disable it from the selector. It doesn't change existing posts.
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nitinkhanna So a "Note" is the default IndieWeb post Kind which can't be disabled... hehe nice!
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GWG nitinkhanna: You can disable the others.
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GWG But note being the unstyled one, you can't.
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GWG If you don't even want that, you might as well just disable the plugin.
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nitinkhanna So what should I set in the "Default Kind for New Posts". I want to use the WordPress Standard, but the IndieWeb Reply and Bookmark (for linkblogging)
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nitinkhanna lol that was a question... I forgot the "?"
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GWG nitinkhanna: The Default Kind is just what the selector will be set to when you hit Add Post
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GWG So, whatever you want that set to.
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GWG WordPress has a default post format setting as well.
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nitinkhanna heh ok I've set it to Note. Of course, when I hit "Add Post", I want to keep using the default Standard thingy... :P
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nitinkhanna We'll see how this works... Thanks a LOT!
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GWG Any time
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GWG We have a dedicated indieweb-wordpress room on the server if you want.
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nitinkhanna Yeah I went there and then came here coz more peeps here :D
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nitinkhanna I had Gutenberg enabled for my blog by the way, when I enabled IndieWeb plugins and boy, did that confuse me!
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GWG The people in there are the WordPress folk.
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GWG nitinkhanna: We haven't gone Gutenberg yet
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nitinkhanna hehe yeah, I guessed :P
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GWG I'm not rushing.
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nitinkhanna good! It's messy.
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nitinkhanna Till a few days ago it wasn't working with the Independent Publisher theme..
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GWG Well, more that it is a big change and it isn't a priority yet
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nitinkhanna have you played with it?
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nitinkhanna wholely agree that it's not a priority :)
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GWG nitinkhanna: Only for a little while periodically.
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nitinkhanna cool... :)
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GWG nitinkhanna: What is the site you are working on?
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nitinkhanna nitinkhanna.com but all the posts are set to Private so I can muck around as much as I want without anyone seeing them :)
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GWG nitinkhanna: I need to think of a better way of explaining Post Kinds, I guess though
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nitinkhanna That would be helpful to a few people. But here's the thing - maybe most people just go all in? They don't teeter on the brim like me?
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nitinkhanna If that's the case, please don't spend time on this explanation. But if more people ask you about it, then yeah, explaining it in comparision to WordPress Post Formats would be good...
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nitinkhanna Like, from the database perspective, or rather the terminology perspective...
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nitinkhanna The keyword for me from you was that it's a parallel world - " one is a drop in replacement for the other"
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@mattl ↩️ @jackyalcine Don’t make it about indieweb or activitypub (twitter.com/_/status/1039758133042860034)
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@pstuifzand It's always strange and great to be mentioned in the Indieweb podcast. Always unexpected. https://p83.nl/p/959 (twitter.com/_/status/1039769732826779648)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb! What are people working on today?
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jeremycherfas You don't want to know Zegnat.
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jeremycherfas Plus, I've developed another itchy itch, which I may try and get to this evening.
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Zegnat Oh, I know about all the itches. Redoing a lot of my webmention code, again
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Zegnat I think itches must grow exponentially ;)
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@swentel The #Drupal #IndieWeb module is now able to send micropub requests to Aperture on incoming Webmentions to my site, which allows me to create a 'Notifications' channel. One step closer to killing the Twitter client! (twitter.com/_/status/1039829498676563968)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Still think I need to unsuspend my 14 day #IndieWeb Drupal challenge once things settle down a bit. Migrate my WordPress site and compare what I lose with some plugins and compare to what I gain in functionality. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6641-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1039835297159282688)
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jgmac1106 morning [zegnat] Wed are teaching days for me so I will backseat it, I made great progress on my Following page yesterday….need to finish the education group and indieweb groups and then add all the feeds to apeture
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jgmac1106 R-F will be nothing but meta and finalizing NYC schedule
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Zegnat I have started on the OPML->Microsub service, jgmac1106, I’ll ping you when I need testers
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jgmac1106 I love the form fields the link manager plugin provides…though has every xfn option except rel=“follow”
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jgmac1106 I mean I could select rel=“father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate”
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GWG jgmac1106: Doing something with that is on my list.
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sknebel Zegnat: wrapping pstuifzand's tool, or new microsub client?
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Zegnat sknebel, the argument was that the cli tool was too hard to use, so it is a separate client thing, to handle indieauth etc
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Zegnat The call to add a feed I don’t think is the problem. It is the setup required (getting the endpoint, getting a valid token)
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@xtof_party #POSSE à partir de ma nouvelle instance personnelle mastodon #indieweb vers twitter et instagram. Note à moi-même xtof_party https://moa.party ne sait plus créer les réponses et mentions sur twitter. Tous les textes sous la forme 'utilisateur' postés sur Mastodon (1/2) (twitter.com/_/status/1039901843680153601)
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tantek__ good morning #indieweb!
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aaronpk Good morning!
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Loqi good morning
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jeremycherfas Good morning
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dougbeal o/
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@imvectech IndiWeb Recién descubierto → https://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1039979716701298689)
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dougbeal oh, loqi blocked greeing earlier o/
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dougbeal though it went through in slack?
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KartikPrabhu i thought Slack users got special-cased in Loqi blocking ? aaronpk
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aaronpk other way around
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aaronpk seems to have caught an edge case in changing nicks shortly after joining too
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KartikPrabhu aah
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aaronpk hmm the last spam was 7 days ago. maybe just maybe it's over
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dougbeal It was also just a o/ to sidestep the whole time of day greeting.
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GWG Hi, dougbeal