#indieweb 2018-09-26

2018-09-26 UTC
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camb[m] (Odat.xyz is my site)
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@jgmac1106 Hey #literacies #connectedlearning #DooO #edtechchat friends I am hoping many of you can remote into #IndieWebCamp NYC Sept 28-29. Gonna be talking distributed classrooms all weekend (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7398-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1044754133549568000)
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tantek__ wow I just saw https://boffosocko.com/2018/09/20/the-last-goodbye-path-simple-personal-social-networking/
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tantek__ what is Path?
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Loqi Path is a content hosting silo for private sharing of information among a small (limit 150) group of friends https://indieweb.org/Path
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jacky path was nice
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jacky had a good take on its UX at its time
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tantek__ did you export your backup jacky?
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jacky yup
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jacky was about 5 MB
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tantek__ yeah - still tempted to screenshot the app screens
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jacky a lot of it seemed like cross posting from foursquare tho
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jacky going to have to filter that out
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tantek__ I mean if you have it installed, please feel free to do so (without disclosing private info obviously)
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jacky def
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jacky saving all of that for my "backfill"
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@t going to @IndieWebCamp NYC Pre-party this Thursday 2018-09-27 19:00-21:00 @DeadRabbitNYC (http://deadrabbitnyc.com), an amazing 1850s style bar (http://nyti.ms/WdOpgc). NYC friends, come by, ask for #IndieWeb. We have a reserved room! More info: http://tantek.com/t4we1 (twitter.com/_/status/1044769890983448577)
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jacky does quill expect servers to respond using form encoded data?
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jacky I've been spitting JSON at it and it craps out :(
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cweiske at which stage?
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cweiske what are you trying to do?
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cweiske login?
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jacky yeah login
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jacky you can try it
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Loqi Jacky Alcine
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cweiske https://www.w3.org/TR/indieauth/
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jacky (all the data on the site is ephermel for now)
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jacky sees a spec doc and runs
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jacky well see
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cweiske https://www.w3.org/TR/indieauth/#x5-4-authorization-code-verification at least is form-encoded (request)
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cweiske no idea at which stage your code crashes
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jacky right but that's the request crafting
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jacky unless I'm misreading/misunderstanding how content-type works here
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jacky and not the expected response format
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cweiske but I thought you had the problem that quill does not like the content you send to it
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jacky I can't even log in
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jacky makes a screenshot
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cweiske let's go back: at which step in the login process does that error occur?
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cweiske what are you sending to quill?
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jacky this is the access token response step: https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/#access-token-verification
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cweiske so you only send a GET request, without any body?
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jacky I'm not following lol, i'm not sending a GET
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jacky at this point, the scope and code's been confirmed
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jacky and Quill wants to get an access token
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cweiske the request that you linked in the spec, a GET request is described
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jacky I meant response
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jacky yeah that's the access token response
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jacky the GET is later on
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jacky that's where it's failing
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jacky hmm a lot of stuff expected that :/
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jacky it's also midnight so that might be adding to my head banging here lol
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cweiske I think you're doing something wrong
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jacky I think so too lol
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cweiske so quill tries to verify the code at your server
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cweiske and this fails
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jacky https://git.jacky.wtf/me/next-gen-website/src/branch/feature/implement-indieauth/lib/web/controllers/indie/token_api_controller.ex
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jacky yeah
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jacky the code block here is what's crapping out for quill
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jacky (or rather, Quill doesn't expect my response)
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cweiske what's your exact response? do you have a trace/sniff/dump?
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cweiske it should only be json with "me" and "scope" in it
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jacky I don't have an exact response
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cweiske I usually develop such things locally, and have wireshark running if I have such issues
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cweiske You can run quill locally
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jacky smacks head
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jacky of course
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jacky lol
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jacky thank you
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jacky yeah imma do that in the morning tho lol
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jacky thanks cweiske
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jacky cweiske++
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Loqi cweiske has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (29 in all channels)
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cweiske you're welcome
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas Too late now, but #dev?
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kasitano óØ\
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jacky which is weird
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jacky but /shrug
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jacky back to bed
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cweiske ?
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chedr15 æ
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@vincentlistens Watching the PESOS and backfeed working in harmony on my website makes me happy. Once I’ve implemented webmention replies I’ll nearly be done ☺️ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1044929312091230209)
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skippy good morning.
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Loqi happy day
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skippy is it?
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ScottM______27 
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@davemillar Any other geo uri stans out there wanna help me boost this ticket? https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189985 #indieweb #safari #webkit (via https://puz.fun/dave/100792575635732879) (twitter.com/_/status/1044961306439225344)
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petermolnar the next step: https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2018/09/how-to-build-a-lowtech-website/ - how to make this indieweb friendly in case it's offline for a little while? (the more I see the potential problems with webmentions the more it looks like we're reinventing SMTP by the way)
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skippy everything old is new again.
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petermolnar I smell a webmention-smtp bridge
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cweiske I have one way working already
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cweiske webmention -> mail to me
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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aaronpk good morning
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Zegnat petermolnar, adactio linked the solar powered website already, saying it desperately needs a service worker to serve pages when the server goed offline ;)
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aaronpk hah nice
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@jgmac1106 @arturi Glad you are joining us for #IndieWebCamp NYC in just a couple days. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7400-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1044990863825391616)
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camb[m] Wish I could be there too :)
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jgmac1106 [camb[m]] remote is always a great option
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jgmac1106 okay how do you write somebodys name in IRC when the user name has brackets in it?
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sknebel jgmac1106: the outer brackets are just a thing of our slack bridge, you don't need to add them to names that don't have them
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Zegnat jgmac1106, what if I want to remotely participate in the walk across the bridge or the visiting of a museum? Portable tricaster? ;)
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sknebel I'm sure you can facetime someone or something :D
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jgmac1106 you have two days to come up with the IndieWeb version of Meerkat or Periscope…The tenemant muesum is really cool, its basically a city block made to look like migrant housing during industrial revoultion
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jgmac1106 grrrr. just heard tech support tell someone in next room, don’t use the web on your phone, you have to use apps, phones aren’t meant to browse the web
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snarfed WOW
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camb[m] Lolz :)
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Zegnat jgmac1106, so, why is Samsung actively developing a browser?
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tantek__ good morning #indieweb
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@PaceUniversity Calling all hackers, engineers, computer science students, and techies! You’re invited to attend IndieWebCamp starting Friday, September 28, a weekend gathering where web creators hang out and brainstorm—without the corporate red tape. https://bit.ly/2peZXDr (twitter.com/_/status/1044994767480909824)
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tantek__ forgot to wait 30s again
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cweiske so that samsung has something for their tvs
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Zegnat lol cweiske
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trewas23 É~™s_2
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@jgmac1106 If you are local to #IndieWebCamp NYC and attending please bring any spare three prong extension cords and surge protectors you may have lying aorund. Thx. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7402-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1045015895867871233)
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petermolnar Zegnat: re solar website & service workers - no. Please, no. If that becomes a trend, soon the internet wants to live in my local cache and that is not a nice trend.
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Zegnat you should have a talk with adactio about that, petermolnar ;) https://abookapart.com/products/going-offline
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Loqi it is probable
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petermolnar ok, let me rephrase it: a button, saying "save this offline" is ok, I might even encourage that. But. Service workers are evil, and they stick; I seriously disagree turning them on by default.
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petermolnar (save this website as epub, now that's an option)
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[tantek] Why ePub instead of HTML? Or HTML manifest package?
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petermolnar you mean .chm?
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petermolnar although .chm is proto-epub
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petermolnar epub because it's a single file. if MHTML would work in any browser, it's say MHTML, but it doesn't
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[kevinmarks] if what is being cached locally is relatively small it's not a big deal
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@jgmac1106 > On my way to #IndieWebCamp NYC (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7409-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1045045695542173702)
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Bun_G ... and so does gundo
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@kongaloosh I wandered into a #privacy talk at #ghc2018 and it’s making me reflect a lot on my #indieweb experiences. (twitter.com/_/status/1045049980023640064)
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stram they serve booze at mcdonalnds?
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[jgmac1106] This is why I don't like the current state of edtech, the web should be human readable first: https://er.educause.edu/blogs/2018/9/can-education-keep-up-with-technology
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@kongaloosh ↩️ Man. First question is asking about digital identity and agency over your digital identity. Very #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1045057221787365376)
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gRegorLove https://twitter.com/trevortimm/status/1045043264796016640
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@trevortimm "When a user gives Facebook a phone number for two-factor authentication or in order to receive alerts about new log-ins to a user’s account, that phone number became targetable by an advertiser within a couple of weeks." https://gizmodo.com/facebook-is-giving-advertisers-access-to-your-shadow-co-1828476051 (twitter.com/_/status/1045043264796016640)
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gRegorLove "The researchers also found that if User A, whom we’ll call Anna, shares her contacts with Facebook, including a previously unknown phone number for User B, whom we’ll call Ben, advertisers will be able to target Ben with an ad using that phone number, which I call “shadow contact information,” about a month later. Ben can’t access his shadow contact information, because that would violate Anna??
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gRegorLove ?s privacy, according to Facebook, so he can’t see it or delete it, and he can’t keep advertisers from using it either."
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KartikPrabhu lol
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ @kongaloosh Are you going to be able to remote in at all for #IndieWebCamp NYC love to have your insights. #GHC18 (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7416-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1045058531827830790)
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scorche23 jle`: Maybe String
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scorche23 caseyliss: No.
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scorche23 this is like the only thing i haven't automated so far and we agree with my boss that we wouldn't be storing credentials anywhere
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Why it’s this weekend. https://indiewebcamp/2018/NYC will have good remote options. Share with everyone at #GHC18 (not sure if conferences overlap) need strong leaders such as  yourself. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7422-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1045068166102159361)
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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[tantek] !rt https://twitter.com/_/status/1044994767480909824
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aaronpk !rt https://twitter.com/PaceUniversity/status/1044994767480909824
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Loqi Thanks aaronpk and [tantek]! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1045076944130207744
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tantek__ odd when I click that tweet link, it doesn't display any retweets (count or profile icons)
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KartikPrabhu tantek__: it shows me aaronpk's retweet
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KartikPrabhu weird! the tweet it self shows 1 retweet, aaronpk's profile picture. but on clicking the "retweet" it shows IWC has retweeted but no aaronpk
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KartikPrabhu twitter be broken
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vilhalmer "eventually consistent"
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@jgmac1106 A little hot pot action before #IndieWebCamp NYC kicks into high gear. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7424-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1045094614535991301)
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