#indieweb 2018-10-11

2018-10-11 UTC
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[chrisaldrich]
[jgmac1106] you undersold at call by not mentioning gRSShopper was on tap....
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jgmac1106
we are building the badging platform for Downe’s elearning 3.0 class.
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[chrisaldrich]
By individual badge files you mean a new page for each user? Why not one page per badge on one url? Unless you're doing custom badges per user it seems like a lot of extra work.
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jgmac1106
for one
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jgmac1106
even though it’s open I still believe in a bit of privacy when it comes to assessment
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jgmac1106
I think I would be covered by FERPA but if people take class for credit….
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[chrisaldrich]
If that's the case you'll need all the pages to be private and private Webmentions, n'cest pas?
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jgmac1106
I can explaiin in -dev, but have a simple be ready right away…and a goal of building the platform as we go and testing along the way…this would bethe whole shebang
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jgmac1106
darn gRegorlove been using word all day now\
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[chrisaldrich]
That's alright my phone is dying... ;) can't wait to see it though.
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[jgmac1106]
we use a disclaimer, fokls know they are taking a MOOC, big biz quotes Dave Cormier wrong all the time. The M in MOOC modified Open, as in Massively open, it was never meant to refer to size of class. It took VC money to make that definition.
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[jgmac1106]
but there will be a disclosure about open data. More personal philosophy, that one url, represents one person, represents one badge.. and you just don't mix up people with measurement even in open classes
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[jgmac1106]
Google+ will remain for G Suite for Edu customers though for educators who use their google accounts those will be gone
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[tantek]
what is FERPA?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "FERPA" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "FERPA is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek]
hello from HWC MV!
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j12t
Hello, too. MV = Mountain View CA
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jgmac1106
hello to Mountain View from East Haddam Ct
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[tantek]
showed recent events (IWC Oxford, NYC), and announced upcoming events (IWC Nuremberg, Berlin), and briefly explained my 10min atom feed delay that I built last work
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[tantek]
Emma is working on getting IPFS working on a raspberry pi
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[jgmac1106]
What is IPFS?
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Loqi
IPFS is short for InterPlanetary File System, potentially a static site storage method using content based addressing https://indieweb.org/IPFS
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[jgmac1106]
wow that sounds really cool
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jgmac1106
Kumango from a random Godilla movie, Sonm of Godzilla I think
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[tantek]
discussing the alternative of using ServiceWorkers
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[tantek]
even per post
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jgmac1106
I am just working on some writing. I owe [jessklein] a thank you for keynoting so writing a post in my UX of parenting series. This one compares tetthing to the pain of having to add new data processing servers
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jgmac1106
then going to make a page dedicated to my generic webmentions so they don’t point to my about me page
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emceeaich
Hey everyone.
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[tantek]
welcome emceeaich!
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[tantek]
took a photo
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[tantek]
next HWC MV on 11/21!
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[jgmac1106]
here is my next UX of parenting post: v
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[tantek]
Photo uploaded from hwc MV. Going home
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[dmitshur]
This is what I made during today’s HWC in NYC:
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[dmitshur]
(Just a simple form. The backend isn’t completely ready, so it won’t work at this time.)
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KartikPrabhu
[dmitshur]: this is to createa new repo on your site?
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[dmitshur]
Yep.
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KartikPrabhu
I also start by creating simple HTML forms first and then doing the backend :)
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[dmitshur]
Previously, I had to create them manually. Which included like 4 steps (create bare git repo, create issue tracker for it, subscribe myself to its issue tracker, post a “repo created” event to my activity stream). So I wanted to automate it under a single button press.
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[dmitshur]
The backend is like 95% done (from a few days ago), just not 100% yet. :)
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KartikPrabhu
:thumbsup:
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb! I caught up on the logs again :)
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sknebel
good morning!
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[jgmac1106]
Good morning
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Loqi
good morning
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Zegnat
Hi [jgmac1106] :) I might pen a response to your picture/photo blog post, see if I can shine some light on the tech side :)
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[jgmac1106]
Thx, I got some feedback on mixing up consumption and posting
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[jgmac1106]
And I do think itvis driven by how I do photos. Which is still print them.. Takes a lot in my mind to elevate a pic to photography
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[jgmac1106]
[dmitshur] here is a Google Drive version a friend is working on https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dCBkoBkdSlFNkM5ESXMnPqvysoD5JiLu/view?usp=drivesdk
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[jgmac1106]
Shared your demo with him. May connect sometime
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[chegalabonga]
Oh gosh I really want to hand roll my own site but WordPress with plugins is doing the job well enough.
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[jgmac1106]
[chegalabonga] I think I am going to do a halfway approach. Use static pages for content and throw a Known blog on a subdomain... WordPress never worked for me
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Loqi
[Greg McVerry] Finally realized why educators fell in love with Google+ It was webmentions before we knew what webmentions were. We all had GAFE, we all had Hangouts, we all used Blogger. I posted on my blog and it went to my network. Someone commented on my netwo...
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[jgmac1106]
Finally figured out why us teachers fell in love with G+. It was near perfect learning network
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[chegalabonga]
[jgmac1106] Ah k. Interesting. I had a laravel-based one couple years ago and for whatever reasons i moved to WP and lost that codebase. Classic me
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[chegalabonga]
I love the idea of building my own and implementing these protocols, but know its gonna be a long process.
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[jgmac1106]
Yeah people talked me out of it at IWC NYC, I really wanted to give Perch Runway a spin
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[jgmac1106]
[Rose] and @petermolnar talking about getting a Grav project going
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Zegnat
Rose and jeremycherfas are both already running Grav websites
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[jgmac1106]
Yeah @zegnat without getting - devy they want to make tools for others. May have been Jeremy and not Peter
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Zegnat
For the most past, [chegalabonga], whether you are rebuilding in Laravel, sticking to WordPress, or anything else. If you are running your own website you are plenty part of IndieWeb already :D
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petermolnar
jgmac1106: the whole store from my side is that I maintain friends/family WordPress sites, and I fear the coming changes - it'll break their familiarity and a hell lot of the plugins. As a result, I started looking at other CMS systems again - initially I did that for myself, when I considered getting off WordPress the first time. At that time grav was without a GUI; it now has one, so I though it might be a very good start for homepag
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petermolnar
e-like sites, and it could be made indieweb-friendly with not much work.
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petermolnar
it's not the most ideal site for streams, though it can do it.
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[Rose]
I quite like Grav, we're implementing it at work for documentation
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petermolnar
btw, I remember the reasons why I changed from my own CMS to WordPress a decade ago; interesting to see those reasons fade away from it and manifest themselves in another CMS. (Easy to extend, simple, obvious to use)
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jeremycherfas
Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel
good morning jeremy
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petermolnar
of those who use webmention.io for handling webmention: what do you do with pingback spam, that slips though?
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petermolnar
It's one of those things I haven't considered: I'm storing incoming comments as md+frontmatter as well, so if I want to mark it as spam, I'd still need to keep some information about it.
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tonz
prepping for indiewebcamp Nuremburg I made a list of things, I might work on https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2018/10/indiewebcamp-potential-list-of-things-to-do/
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tonz
of course now the challenge is to pick something halfway doable :)
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Zegnat
Just reading that, your tweet was mirrored to #indieweb-meta :D
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Zegnat
I know for a fact there will be some people interested in discussing point 10
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Zegnat
Also, tonz: thanks for updating the wiki with arrival time on Friday! We are leaning towards making it a late dinner so the late arrivers can get some food into them
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tonz
@zegnat you're welcome! Discussing point 10 would be great. It's one of my longstanding wishes for social media, self-run granular access/sharing.
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aaronpk
woo yeah, would love to discuss that more!
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aaronpk
we seem to always make progress on that front at the german IWCs
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Zegnat
Clearly Europeans <3 Privacy control ;)
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[kevinmarks]
interesting rant about static site generators https://fvsch.com/static-site-generators/
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[kevinmarks]
interesting position paper from Google (leaked via a less attractive site) https://www.scribd.com/document/390521673/The-Good-Censor-GOOGLE-LEAK#from_embed
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Zegnat
Not sure anything scribd every qualifies as a “better link”
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[tantek]
What is Scribd?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Scribd" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Scribd is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106]
Had the most wonderful discussion with [eddie] about how the private post could work. Excited for public group and private group like spaces from out own domains
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[jgmac1106]
@tonz I am not great with PHP or Perl, by not great I mean know nothing, but I am poking around gRSShoper as it is an rss reader with native webmentions.
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Loqi
[cleverdevil] #495 Support for Microsub servers
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chrisaldrich
@jgmac Is gRSShoper open source, a third-party hosted service, or both?
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chrisaldrich
@kevinmarks, thanks for that Brizzly note. I remember it fondly from the early days of Twitter. Hilarious to see how it's been repurposed.
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[kevinmarks]
I saw Jason at xoxo, which was nice
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chrisaldrich
@kevinmarks, any chance that Jason might consider making Brizzly a micropub/microsub client? Given it's history as a multisite posting client (and codebase) and it's current state, it might be a worthwhile project and it certainly had a nice UI to begin with.
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[jgmac1106]
[chrisaldrich] open source, I think I forked it yesterday.
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[jgmac1106]
If not I will building all my template webmention badges in there
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chrisaldrich
What is gRSShopper?
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Loqi
gRSShopper is a personal web environment that combines resource aggregation, a personal dataspace, and personal publishing https://indieweb.org/gRSShopper
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jacky
dataspace?
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chrisaldrich
jgmac1106++ for the definition
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Loqi
jgmac1106 has 18 karma in this channel over the last year (66 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106]
I have no idea how it works but webmentions are native
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[jgmac1106]
Jacky Downes will make up words without knowing if those words mean something in the dev space
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jacky
I mean that word feels new and familiar at the same time lol
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chrisaldrich
It almost sounds like gRSShopper could be a micropub client too....
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[jgmac1106]
Yep but above my skill set
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Loqi
[Downes] gRSShopper: gRSShopper is a tool that aggregates, organizes and distributes resources to support online learning
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[jgmac1106]
Feel free to add to article
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[jgmac1106]
Reclaim going to make it as close to 1 button install as possible
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[jgmac1106]
They can't put it into cPanel but all the Perl modules will be available and already tested
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[jgmac1106]
Should be fun class
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chrisaldrich
I'm going to have to get a Reclaim Account just for the fun of it.
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chrisaldrich
@jgmac1106, you could whisper the idea into Downes' ear and maybe he would make it so... ;)
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[jgmac1106]
Whisper what? We are planning together read through my blogging through chat on dev yesterday
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[jgmac1106]
Want manual till it hurt webmention badge at launch and a full micropub badge creation, ledger, issuer by the time we get to recognition module
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[jgmac1106]
Though he doesn't care if it's microsub/micropub wants it to work in gRSShoper first or be a third party which publishes to his site (micropub.. Shhhh)
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[jgmac1106]
We should try and see if Greenpeace likes IndieWeb to organize their global campaigners
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[cleverdevil]
I've been using Granary or Instagram-Atom for a while now on Instagram, but with the latest revelation regarding their tracking garbage on iOS, I may just be deleting...
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[cleverdevil]
I don't really want to though. In spite of themselves, I still like content from my friends there.
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snarfed
[cleverdevil]: if you delete, you could still follow individual people's IG feeds in your reader
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[cleverdevil]
Good point, [snarfed]... except for private accounts.
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[cleverdevil]
What's the trick for that?
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[cleverdevil]
(Following individuals)
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[jgmac1106]
It hard. I miss my family and friends content on facebook
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[cleverdevil]
(Intagram-atom is totally broken for me at the moment... maybe error on my end, tho)
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Loqi
misses my family and friends content on facebook too
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snarfed
[cleverdevil]: just type their username into https://granary.io/?site=instagram
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[cleverdevil]
Maybe I'll do that, less fiddly than session cookies that get revoked silently.
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[Rose]
What are we feeding Loqi?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "we feeding Loqi" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "we feeding Loqi is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sknebel
gives Loqi a cookie
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Loqi
loves the cookie
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Rose1
steals Loqi's cookie
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[Rose]
Worth failing to connect to IRC for a cookie 😛
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