#indieweb 2018-10-12

2018-10-12 UTC
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[asuh] What is buffer
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Loqi Buffer is a tool for scheduling the publishing of posts to silos https://indieweb.org/Buffer
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[asuh] Interesting tool. Hopefully there will come a day where micro.blog or WordPress will have the same functionality as buffer with one or two plugins
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[asuh] My employer queried about buffer, which is where I first saw it just a while ago, and all I have to offer is a DIY setup with our WordPress blog. So close yet so far
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[jgmac1106] I can schedule post in WordPress.
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-10-12.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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Ruxton Morning all
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jacky o/
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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chrisaldrich @asuh, /SNAP adds a few pieces of functionality to WordPress that make it a bit closer to Buffer-like functionality iirc.
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[asuh] oh that's right, thanks
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[deeden] Morning
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Loqi rise and shine!
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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Ruxton morning Zeg
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Zegnat Any fun projects being worked on today?
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swentel I'm fixing unread indicators in indigenous hehe
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swentel not really spectacular
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[deeden] I’m trying to finally finish my Hugo build of my website
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swentel and then some further new features for the drupal module
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Zegnat Sounds good!
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Zegnat I am trying to get a headstart on getting blogging up and running prior to IndieWebCamp next week
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swentel ah are you also going to Berlin ?
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Zegnat Nürnberg first next week. Berlin later.
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Zegnat Probably booking my Berlin flight this weekend
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swentel ah cool, will see you there then
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Zegnat Awesome!
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Zegnat I think this autumn will be the season of meeting new people :D
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[chrisburnell] Good morning IndieWeb! 🙂
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[Rose] New people are good
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[Rose] Everyone will be new to me 😄
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Zegnat You still have a week of chatting left before D-day, [Rose]. You’ll be used to everyone by then ;)
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[Rose] Hehe, still, in person is different! 😄
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[Vincent] Morning IndieWeb!
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[Vincent] I would love to go to Berlin, but I can’t afford it. Saving for our move to NZ.. emmigrating is expensive!
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sknebel good morning!
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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[jgmac1106] I am switching from Vygotsky to Dewey and then taking this https://checkoutmydomain.glitch.me and moving it my own domain
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jeremycherfas Dood morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] [schmarty] [kevinmarks] [grantcodes] and if anyone is interested I was asked us to start an IndieWeb team here https://glitch.com/teams/ ping me you want to play
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[grantcodes] [jgmac1106] huh interesting. Is that not how glitch earns money?
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[jgmac1106] Just Beta for now. Open membership but our group would stay free
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[jgmac1106] Right now Glitch is just spending Trello money. I'd hate to know the monthly burn. Got vibe a round could be in future. They aren't seeking, bootstrapped for 18 years, but money often follows names
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[jgmac1106] But if we do get all the building blocks online wanted to know if we wanted a team
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[jgmac1106] The lead developer does want the indielogin docs thought that idea would be really cool
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Zegnat “the indielogin docs”?
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[jgmac1106] Just what ever would be best link for documentation if someone wanted to implement. It's probably on the wiki. I'll search
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Zegnat https://indielogin.com/api for using indielogin.com as your login mechanism. Everything else gets into dev talk real quick I think
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[kevinmarks] I'm down for a team, sure.
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[schmarty] jgmac1106: I’m game for a Glitch team. I am also really interested in your thoughts on the Glitch event! Do you have plans to write them up?
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jgmac1106 yeah, but its a little tricky, basically MoFo wants me to be the bridge for when Thimble shuts down and migrates to Glitch, be a voice of assurance for educators....for an Organization that has literally burnt teachers soo many times, plus it Mozilla and a product is being handed off to a commercial company. even if I trust them, it opens me up to criticism from the more socialist advocates among Mozillians...
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jgmac1106 Glitch wants me to advise them on rolling out learning tools and thinking about assessment, but sounded like an “ambassador” role. Mozilla gets me for free, open source free to world, companies charging get “one cup of coffee” and then my daily has to kick in
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jgmac1106 Though Anil set up a helluva bar and food so I will give them a few more “cups of coffee"
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jgmac1106 hQ is like across the street from Dead Rabbit….ohh wait you went to bday, missed that placed
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jgmac1106 Did tell Anil, WTF, get your own domain and get off Medium….but was room full of Medium fans…and he is proably a paid advisor so may have to is my guess
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[schmarty] Hahaha did you ask him about custom domains for glitch projects???
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Loqi nice
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[jgmac1106] answered in Dev, aint really custom domain names more app hosting that gets a domain
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[jgmac1106] but everyone threw me some sideeye when I threw shade on Medium...people just feel it is the cleanest best designed writing space ever...and Ev means welll....world is easier when the ideas are concrete and the people abstract, but as you meet folks they become real and concepts abstract
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[schmarty] jgmac1106 that is really interesting. I wonder what they would think of POSSE to Medium, ensuring they at least have the canonical copy on their own site.
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[schmarty] I imagine folks see Medium as a publishing platform with its own audience
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[jgmac1106] Using import story works better than native POSSE, but it was a lot of, "I would write more if I just had the perfect ui" but now that I think about it pretty sure Anil is on the board or an advisor....might "have" to use it
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[jgmac1106] goes checks his Medium stats npw
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jgmac1106 and in his email as clicked over: 950 views 657 reads this week…..forgot i was POSSEing all my notes as I needed a screen shot for the POSSE rate limit
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jgmac1106 add you Glitch projects to the IndieWeb team, my course template for example, had over 11k views, be curious of other IndieWeb projects, the remix I made of [kevinmarks] blog has like 12k views each only 4 remixes
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sknebel what is Glitch?
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Loqi Glitch (formerly Gomix, HyperDev before that) is a tool by Fog Creek Software to allow you to quickly prototype web applications in a complete IDE with built in version control, sharing, and more https://indieweb.org/Glitch
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Zegnat That’s outdated. Fog Creek renamed to just Glitch, I believe
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[manton] POSSE to Medium works really well. We support it natively in Micro.blog and it preserves all the HTML, photos, etc. (As such a long-time blogger, I'm sure Anil will eventually move his posts back to his own blog or start cross-posting them.)
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jgmac1106 yeah my WP drops some images but that’s usally bc i wrap them in attribution, I just prefer the story importer…it was taking mapping of custom domains that made me feel medium lost their “open just enough” label
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jgmac1106 I also would put them in the site-death deathpool if we did one, raised I think 130 million across three rounds, using a simple 10x expectation of an LP, that’s nort of a billion dollar valuation….no way you get there at $5 a month for a small percentage of your users, plenty of runaway maybe time for 3-4 more pivots, but it will die
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jgmac1106 …oops 11k views was for “all projects” on our team… about 1-2k each, 3-4 remixes
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jgmac1106 still a smart play for us as this will be what every coder dojo, girls who code, Mouse, and all the other c24all youth clubs will use
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jgmac1106 cs4all*
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jgmac1106 okay [zegnat] spending the next hour or so going to fork this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bF21XqGKwpHD3j1E5FkvMGwcJuHvSlH93wy-z1m3heM/edit and try to do Blogs vs Zombies…thinking of making microsub a minimum requiremen so not to worry about rss polling, t but writing an elite webmention brigade who will have better poweres but also be meaner zombies
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Zegnat “thinking of making microsub a minimum requiremen so not to worry about rss polling” - not how that works ;) WebSub avoids polling, Microsub does not. Happy to discuss details in dev or elsewhere :D
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Zegnat opens the Google Docs
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jgmac1106 oops sorry, will export to github gimme five
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Zegnat All good. Running an errant for like 10 minutes, then all yours for about 3 hours if you need me
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[jgmac1106] thx mixed up my words
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Zegnat showing just how important proof-readers and fact-checkers are :D
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[jgmac1106] or just proof engineers stink at naming things at least it aint webpubhubsubmybrotherbub any more
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sknebel pubsubhubbub was at least memorable
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[tantek] To insiders maybe
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Zegnat naming--
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Loqi naming has -1 karma in this channel over the last year (-2 in all channels)
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sknebel not just those. The number of people at my uni that once, years ago, got an explaination of pubsubhubbub and still associated the name with the idea is was impressive
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jgmac1106 moodlenet and activitypub: https://alexcastano.com/moodlenet-more-than-a-technical-project/
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[schmarty] does anyone here bookmark projects on glitch? if so, what kind of info do you keep about them, and which page of the project do you usually bookmark?
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[schmarty] i find myself wishing for github-stars-for-glitch.
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jgmac1106 I bookmark mine
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jgmac1106 simply basd on “Will I need to find this"
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[schmarty] for now i am bookmarking the project overview page (e.g. https://glitch.com/~rich-tuna), pulling the summary from the project summary, and manually setting the title from the header for the project. just tossing it into pinboard. 🤷‍♂️
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jgmac1106 oops misuderstood you meant “bookmark” not pin
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jgmac1106 [fourtonfish] built a glitch project for tracking his glitch projects
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[schmarty] they don't seem to go by @fourtonfish on glitch
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[tantek] [tantek] set the channel topic: Next meetups: Homebrew Website Club https://indieweb.org/next-hwc, Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log http://chat.indieweb.org/today
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jgmac1106 !tell [chrisaldrich] for that weird word you use all time: https://mastodon.social/web/statuses/100883067039079717
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Devin Berg :oa:] @jgmac1106 alternatives are certainly an option, and if I were to go that route, I'd probably use Postmill (https://postmill.xyz/) or Voat (https://github.com/voat/voat). But I think the strength of something like Reddit is having a built-in user bas...
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jgmac1106 https://webrecorder.io/
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "I’m Working on a New Engine for My Site" https://jacky.wtf/weblog/building-koype/
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jacky dgold: also re: mastodon and website, it was _all_ for that post ^
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dgold lol! <applause>
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[schmarty] jacky++ nice! congrats! 🎉
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Loqi jacky has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (7 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] what is koype?
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Loqi Koype is an upcoming software project that aims to provide a one-stop shop for those looking for a single-tenant Web service to uphold IndieWeb principles https://indieweb.org/Koype
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myfreeweb jacky++ yay welcome to the custom engine club
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Loqi jacky has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (8 in all channels)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-10-12.html
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jacky made it just in time :)
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jacky myfreeweb: I'm hoping to keep it open core
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jacky b/c I'd want people to take parts and run with it
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jacky or even make it into another solution like micro.blog
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myfreeweb oh wow your new engine depends on httpotion :)
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myfreeweb aka pretty much the only thing i wrote in elixir
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myfreeweb i wrote an http client and did not write anything that would use it haha
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jgmac1106 jacky I need a new social stream solution but worried it be too hard for me understand if I forked it, but second test user aint bad
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jgmac1106 I am rebuilding my homepage now and want to stick blog on subdomain: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/
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Loqi Greg McVerry
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[cleverdevil] jacky++ for the great start!
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Loqi jacky has 5 karma in this channel over the last year (9 in all channels)
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[cleverdevil] This looks very much like what I wanted to build eventually with `puny`
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slvr Hey I thought I might mention this here, but I've been documenting a portable computer build on mastodon. https://sunbeam.city/@silver
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slvr The feedback so far has been great. I'm really digging this platform as an alternative to twitter and reddit.
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jacky masto's been pretty great
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slvr I'm having some small issues with it, but it seems mostly related to being careful who you follow.
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jacky [cleverdevil]: lol, we basically have the same approach/idea here
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[cleverdevil] 😉
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[cleverdevil] Yup! Just different languages.
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[cleverdevil] Looks like you'll be using object storage for the database?
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jacky for storing any free form data; the database (sqlite) is largely for something indexed
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jacky like entries and cards will go into storage
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-10-12.html
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