#indieweb 2018-10-15

2018-10-15 UTC
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jgmac1106
@aaronpk @eddie @dougbeal @schmarty I just can’t shake the idea that the webring with indelogin is the layer that goes on top of readers to make semi-public and private groups
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[schmarty]
[jgmac1106]: it’s one way of establishing group membership. Needs a lot more for moderation, aggregating posts, private feeds or whatever access control mechanism you want for keeping group-only posts from being public, ...
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb! Time to pack for IWC today :D
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[Rose]
Packing? Oh, the thing where I throw stuff in my suitcase and hope for the best 😛
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Zegnat
I want to think about what I'm bringing just a little.
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Zegnat
And leave space in case I end up bringing stuff back home
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[Rose]
In a former life I was a travelling English teacher in a new school every week. I am now at the stage where it is extremely unlikely I'll forget anything crucial - though I do have a checklist which gets generated for me.
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Zegnat
Lots of people have been recommending I set up a packing checklist. Maybe I should.
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[Rose]
The advantage is that if you forget something you add it to the list, and then you won't forget it the next time,
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[Rose]
In my case, if I'm flying and not visiting my parents I need luggage scales should the trip be hand luggage only (e.g. this coming weekend), it gets added to my list for me should my trip meet those parameters.
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[Rose]
(8kg hand luggage is such a pain)
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sknebel
good morning indieweb from the train to Nürnberg
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[Rose]
Woot!
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Loqi
woot
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tonz
My week will be more like a mad dash getting three different things finished, before running for the train on Friday noon. The result hopefully will be the same though, ending up in Nuremburg in time for IndieWebCamp
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[Rose]
My train is at 15:15 on Friday, but mad dashes will be involved!
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Zegnat
My train is at 06:40 tomorrow ;)
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jeremycherfas
Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas
The excitement is definitely mounting.
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[Rose]
How long will your flight be Jeremy?
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jeremycherfas
A couple of hours, if that. And it seems there's a trm from the airport. :)
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[Rose]
Yes, I'll be taking that Sunday night
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calumryan
Good morning, preparing for Nuremburg
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jeremycherfas
Good morning calumryan
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[jgmac1106]
[schmarty] didn't say I knew how to do it, just that the idea won't get out of my head
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jgmac1106
good morning
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Loqi
*yawn* ... /stretch/
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Loqi
[Greg McVerry] @jgmac1106 Sending myself a webmention test.
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jgmac1106
trying to test if I am getting webmentions on Known with publi comment plugin off
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bradenslen
good morning indieweb
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cweiske
jgmac1106, just reply to it on commentpara.de
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jgmac1106
thx [cweiske] that worked perfectly! May use that tool in class some
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jgmac1106
morning [bradenslen] I don’t thinkl I ever told you but the deep dive you did into blog search engines and history of webrings was quite the talk of thet town at NYC. Thanks for all the work
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bradenslen
ah I was wondering where thetraffic was from. thanks.
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cweiske
who is bradenslen
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jgmac1106
I was thinking Brad what if the ideas could be combined, could a webring become indexable, and then a directory of rings make a new blogging search engine,
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bradenslen
Greg, yes it could be done
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bradenslen
Bomis was a little like that
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bradenslen
Greg, I'm following your adventures with moving from WP to Known or whatever with interest.
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jgmac1106
yeah @bradenslen without getting to devy I am spending too much time writiing about how I am trying to get things working rather than just writing, I was choosing between three solutions, Known, perch runway, or Ruby,. I need to get to a place where things work, and being able to finally send a webmention would be nice
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jgmac1106
Decided to give Known a spin again as [mapkyca] and [benwerd] started developing again. I like micro.blog but I like to use html/css and want to use more post types than micr0.blog provides
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jgmac1106
I am still going to be doing the majority of my IndieWeb contributions doing WordPress support
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bradenslen
I wish you luck with whatever you end up with
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cweiske
oh, known is back under development?
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[jgmac1106]
[cweiske] well [benwerd] is promising a 1.0 release and @mapkyca just released a major point update
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[jgmac1106]
I also put in a ton of grant applications with @mapkyca which if funded will be built off of and contribute to Known core
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cweiske
? what grant applications?
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cweiske
s/what/which/
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[jgmac1106]
A few, one I won't get probably (first submission) is a 1.4 million dollar grant from Institute of Educational Science in the US.
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[jgmac1106]
Have to leave for school and then office but will share application later. Finishing this one tomorrow https://checkoutmydomain.glitch.me but that's just 50k...Still any local library could hop on for 5-7k
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106]
!tell [aaronpk] just finished myurlis.com I have the building block session now. How should I get it to you?
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snarfed
discovered this project that generates RSS feeds for silos the other day: https://github.com/RSS-Bridge/rss-bridge . pretty extensive and mature.
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Loqi
[RSS-Bridge] rss-bridge: The RSS feed for websites missing it
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skippy
good morning.
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Loqi
good morning
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skippy
that rss-bridge looks slick.
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aaronpk
yeah it does! wonder if I should look into integrating it with Aperture
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Loqi
[aaronpk] #124 add RSS feed output format
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petermolnar
I used to use rss-bridge, don't know why I stopped
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skippy
i plugged Indieweb at the Ohio LinuxFest lightning talks. Saw a suprising number of nods, but didnt get a chance to follow up with anyone directly.
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@morganknutson
Now that Google+ has been shuttered, I should air my dirty laundry on how awful the project and exec team was. I'm still pissed about the bait and switch they pulled by telling me I'd be working on Chrome, then putting me on this god forsaken piece of shit on day one.
(twitter.com/_/status/1049523067506966529)
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Zegnat
Just moved myself from interested to attending /2018/Berlin :D Looking forward to see so many of you there!
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[kiai]
hello indieweb
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[kiai]
hey @morganknutson, interested in helping an affordable housing project to put your skills and talents to something positive?
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gRegorLove
o/ [kiai]
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[kiai]
gregorLove !
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[kiai]
I just "finished" the nonprofit website http://careassociation.us
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[kiai]
I wonder what percentage of front-end developers feel the site is never finished.
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[kiai]
I didn't want to use that WP template, but I didn't have good enough pictures for the cooler templates.
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@donpark
@davewiner 🤔 I feel that discovery layer is missing or lacking. blogrolls didn't scale. ring blogs just sucked. SEO is just survival-of-the-fittest money pit.
(twitter.com/_/status/1051544612911738880)
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[dave]
More the thread than just that tweet.
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aaronpk
what is follow?
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Loqi
follow is a common feature (and often UI button) in silo UIs (like Twitter) that adds updates from that profile (typically a person) to the stream shown in an integrated reader, and sometimes creates a follow post either in the follower's stream ("… followed …" or "… is following …") thus visible to their followers, and/or in the notifications of the user being followed ("… followed you") https://indieweb.org/follow
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aaronpk
definitely an under-explored aspect right now, but there are some examples of follow posts and blogroll-like things there
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[kiai]
Thanks [dave] for sharing that thread. #indieweb must grow.
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jgmac1106_
[aaronpk] [kiai] i need to take pics of the wordpress.com my sites/reader integration I do believe they have interesting tools where adding someone to your blogrool add them to your reader. Need to double check
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jgmac1106_
wow it works flawlessly
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jgmac1106_
check out the post that just got syndicated to -meta, that is the workflow I would want, with a follow post type of course
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[eddie]
the Wordpress.com reader is really nice. I definitely think we can take a lot of inspiration from it for Social Readers
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[kiai]
[jgmac1106] Did you read my mind?
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[kiai]
Can it also follow non-WP sites? Would that use a webhook?
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[kiai]
what is webhook
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Loqi
A webhook is a mechanism for notifying a server about updates to some content in realtime by making an HTTP request https://indieweb.org/webhook
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[jgmac1106]
who is kiai?
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jgmac1106_
[kiai] what is your websie, might as well follow you
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jgmac1106_
who iseddie?
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jgmac1106_
who is eddie?
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jgmac1106_
then remembers @eddie is perfect example of someone who should have the preffered feed on his page or in his h-card if that is a thibg
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jgmac1106_
but first needs to schedule nutrition intervent with [eddie] He last drank Mt. Dew and last ate Ramen Noodles and Doritos.
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jgmac1106_
everyone knows Mt. Dew goes best with funions not Doritos
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jgmac1106_
[kiai] yes I can but [eddie] looked a bit different: https://jgregorymcverry.wordpress.com
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chrisaldrich
@eddie, I've mentioned some IndieWeb tech to Jan, the designer of the WordPress.com reader interface in the past, so she's at least aware of it: https://boffosocko.com/2018/08/28/reply-to-jan-cavan-boulas-about-wordpress-microsub-feed-reader/
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[jgmac1106]
my site doesn't work i get folks who mention me
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[eddie]
[chrisaldrich] Very cool!
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[jgmac1106]
[chrisaldrich] site does work...but my site always broken so no surprise there
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chrisaldrich
I think limping along with a broken indieweb site may be better than any of the social silos. ;)
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jgmac1106_
BTW @chrisaldrich, not for a few weeks but you have been conscripted to the Independent Publisher Update team, scroll through WordPress to catch up
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[chrisaldrich]
I'm way behind on all my Indieweb dreams lately, but happy to be conscripted.
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[chrisaldrich]
What are IndieWeb dreams?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWeb dreams" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IndieWeb dreams is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[eddie]
jgmac1106 Instead of having a "preferred feed" really I just need to fix my RSS feed 🙂
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[eddie]
I should add a "subscribe" button like aaronpk though
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[eddie]
Make it more approachable
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jgmac1106_
or follow the @chrisalrich route and give folks 17.6 feeds to choose from
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jgmac1106_
I really don’t care about what you eat and watch
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[eddie]
Yeah I woudn't expect that 🙂 the basic idea is you would fine the page with the posts you want (probably the timeline) and then click a subscribe button and it would present the options for you to subscribe to the timeline
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[eddie]
or you could just add the https://eddiehinkle.com/timeline/ into a reader
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[eddie]
But I don't have RSS/JSON feeds for all my h-feeds yet
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[eddie]
and that is the biggest issue so you can only follow https://eddiehinkle.com/timeline/ in a reader that support h-feed
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[kevinmarks]
can you use granary?
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[eddie]
Yes and no. For most of my feeds I probably could, but for my Micro.blog feed I need to customize the content display
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[eddie]
So I think I want all my feeds to display like my M.b feed
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[kevinmarks]
hm, granary doesn't use the summary in my h-feed
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[kiai]
[jgmac1106] I have several, but the one connected via Indieweb is kiaikim.com.
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jgmac1106_
are you not set up on the indieweb.org wiki yet? Asking Loqi about your chat-name would point to your wiki page
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jgmac1106_
I am the same way, I split my identity across a bunch of sites
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[dave]
Is the original website for XFN dead? It's blank when I try visiting it.
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[dave]
Also that earlier Twitter thread turned into a discussion here: https://github.com/scripting/Scripting-News/issues/96
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Loqi
[scripting] #96 Blog discovery for the future?
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[jgmac1106]
me wonders if that was the exact convo some friends had when they came up with technorati.....
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[dave]
Maybe
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[kiai]
how do you make a bullet on the indieweb interface? * or - isn't doing it.
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[kiai]
oh, there's editing help...
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[dave]
Works for me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[jgmac1106]
wiki editing is hard
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jgmac1106_
just saw you made a page [kiai]. Nice job! Now add the chat-name and I can give you karma
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[kiai]
yeah markdown can be difficult remembering the spaces and such. But once you learn it, it's pretty quick, imo.
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[kiai]
oh...
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[kiai]
i don't know how to do that.
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jgmac1106_
I can help
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[kiai]
i'll look at yours
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[kiai]
oh, i see. Thanks!
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jgmac1106_
there is also this sprite thing somewhere but I am looking for the page
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bradenslen
hello indieweb
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jgmac1106_
but don’t worry about that, once you add a chatname you won’t be [[user:example.com]]
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jgmac1106_
hey [bradenslen] , will respond to email tomorrow, Mondays heavy teaching day for me
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Loqi
kiai has 3 karma over the last year
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Loqi
😊
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jgmac1106_
who is kiai?
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[dave]
I just finally got around to adding mine as well. Hope it worked.
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jgmac1106_
who is dave?
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[kiai]
hmm. that's not the page i made
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[dave]
Do I just show up as dave in the irc?
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jgmac1106_
yes, but I have to go if you ask in the -meta channels folks can help sort you out
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[kiai]
who is kiai
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[kiai]
well now i have two pages
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[dave]
who is David Millar?
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[dave]
Better, but not quite right.
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jgmac1106_
weird, you are [dave] in IRC but [David Millar] in Slack
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jgmac1106_
well I gotta head home, someone will be able to help sort it out, but awesome progrss all around!
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[jgmac1106]
David Millar++
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[dave]
I'm also registered on freenode (that's what this is on in real IRC, right?) but prefer Slack
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[dave]
same - later days
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jgmac1106_
oh BTW I am originally from DFW area, Garland to be exact
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[tantek]
[jgmac1106] I'm pretty familiar with Technorati origin story, why the CEO Founder started it etc
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[jgmac1106]
I know... Thread just seemed so "been here before" that being said need a new blog discovery search engine
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[jgmac1106]
Okay I need to figure out how to have a post happen every time I get stuck at the swinging bridge in town, twice in one day is rare
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chrisaldrich
@jgmac1106: Technically, it looks like I provide 6184 different feeds. Admittedly there are a lot of them with only one item however and a large number of them are private.