#indieweb 2018-10-16

2018-10-16 UTC
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] "blog discovery search engine" had very little to do with motivations for creating/founding Technorati
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[tantek] it was more along the lines of, who is talking about you (your blog, your posts)
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[tantek] started out literally as tracking links to blogs via centralized pinging
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[jgmac1106] Yes and like all things web died an adtech spiral. Im just talking my very limited use and poor memory but I know all you folks worked there. Then I saw all the references in some MOOC history. Starting, running, funding, closing all deep and personal stories affecting lives. I probably should not have made the reference
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[dave] And then a skeleton popped out
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chrisaldrich !tell bradenslen, kickscondor This conversation on discovery and blogs sounds like it's right up your alley: https://twitter.com/donpark/status/1051544612911738880
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@donpark @davewiner 🤔 I feel that discovery layer is missing or lacking. blogrolls didn't scale. ring blogs just sucked. SEO is just survival-of-the-fittest money pit. (twitter.com/_/status/1051544612911738880)
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[jgmac1106] Honestly [chrisaldrich] that is the workflow, combined with both public and private groups using indielogin, is really well done.
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[tantek] I'd like an indieweb way to post "top N lists
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[tantek] "
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[tantek] e.g. top movies to see that I recommend
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[tantek] and then on the flip side, I'd like an indieweb way to collect "movies to see" based on other people's recommendations and "top N" lists
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[tantek] is anyone doing anything like this (top N lists, tracking stuff to watch based on other's recommendations?)
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[tantek] using their own website obv
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[dave] Something on an ordered list, perhaps?
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[tantek] the markup is likely straight forward, it's the higher level questions like how do you put this on your site? in what way?
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[dave] Or any list, for that matter, but ordered lists could provide ranking that other types wouldn’t.
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[tantek] is it a series of posts? is it a static page? an autogenerated page from posts with a certain tag? etc.
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[tantek] URL structure? - borderline dev question but still a usability question of sorts
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[tantek] is a top N list meant to be timeless and always updated? or a snapshot in time of what you thought as of that year?
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[tantek] (both could be useful)
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[tantek] etc. lots of questions, very few answers 🙂
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[dave] Ah, yeah, that’s a good question. I feel like in my head some of those questions have fluctuating answers.
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jacky someone I follow does it like this http://www.cinemacked.com/tv-roster
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[dave] I think I saw someone keeping track of books they read on a tilde page that used emoji to do good/bad/neutral on the entries as well.
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Loqi bradenslen: chrisaldrich left you a message 25 minutes ago: This conversation on discovery and blogs sounds like it's right up your alley: https://twitter.com/donpark/status/1051544612911738880
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bradenslen chrisaldrich it is. Thanks. I'm still wrestling with that whole discovery thing
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jdp [tantek]: would you be looking for active recommendations from followers, or to tally up past recommendations from those you follow?
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[tantek] both!
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[jgmac1106] what is the oldest version of an iPad I can get a micropub app? I want to update my sonss blog and set my kids up with a feed
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "oldest version of an iPad I can get a micropub app" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "oldest version of an iPad I can get a micropub app is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] and some semi-structured way to post recommendations in aggregate like the "top N" lists
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[jgmac1106] I just deleted a page that used a third party pluig in listly embedded in it
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[jgmac1106] wonder if it is in trash, not totally homespun
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jdp requesting recommendations would be pretty interesting to me personally. i'd like to be able to make a https://indieweb.org/read_later post and collect webmentions of it. if i was lucky those mentions might have h-review in them
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[jgmac1106] nope just disabled plugin...and it was a blog discovery list to make the conversation full circle
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[jgmac1106] http://jgregorymcverry.com/blogs-on-writing/
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Loqi Greg McVerry
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[jgmac1106] not media, really hoping my top 25 books to read in college list isn't only on facebook
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[jgmac1106] the internet must be littered with top list but I like the idea of dynamic..@chrisaldrich doesn't have these for like every thing?
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[tantek] we already have a /collection post type
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[tantek] so maybe a top N list is a special kind of collection?
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[tantek] wondering if the individual items would point to /review posts of each
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jgmac1106 Best Of would be name of list unless numetical like top ten
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jdp do you think reviews with ratings are separate from recommendations? i could rate something a 1 for myself, but still recommend it to someone based on what i thought they might enjoy
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[tantek] good question jdp. Or the opposite, rate something highly personally, yet perhaps unrecommend it others based on what they might (not) enjoy
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[jgmac1106] then if it is community based is it an upvote, downvote micro pub client?
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[tantek] I have seen "best of YYYY" lists posted which are kind of like a top N list as of a certain date (annually)
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[tantek] nah [jgmac1106] not about voting at all. this is about personal peer-to-peer recommendations
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[jgmac1106] okay
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[tantek] a lot (most?) of the books I've recently read have been due to personal recommendations
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[tantek] does Goodreads have a "top 10" etc. type feature where you can list your top 10 fave books of all time?
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[jgmac1106] I did find my first IndieWeb mention on my blog during this endeavor, not restoring the list.ly plugin
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[jgmac1106] plenty of GoodRead threads
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[tantek] I suppose we could look for prior art in the form of named /collection posts with names (titles) starting with "Top ..." or "Best ..."
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[jgmac1106] https://thegreatestbooks.org/
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[jgmac1106] an aggregator of best read websites
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[tantek] so not interested in aggregates of top N lists. I feel that strongly dilutes any contextual value you would gain from knowing whose top N
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[jgmac1106] looks like #TopTenTuesday is something: https://novelsandnonfiction.com/2017/12/13/my-top-ten-favorite-books-i-read-in-2017-toptentuesday/
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[jgmac1106] must be a thing used by librarians on social media and blogs...tons of these when searching google for hashtag
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[kevinmarks] top N list does sound like reviews - sorted list of reviews of that type by you?
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[kevinmarks] I did write a post about technorati and discovery in 2004 http://epeus.blogspot.com/2004/07/call-off-search.html
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[dave] Just finished simplifying and adding h-card to my main landing page. Dev version at https://davmillar.github.io/dgtd/ — need to either update the domain to use github pages or set up easier deployment :(((
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[dave] And now we’re live at the real domain. Good stuff with the h-card and indie auth testing utils, aaronpk
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[dave] aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 46 karma in this channel over the last year (318 in all channels)
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KartikPrabhu [dave] I like the use of CSS grid :)
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jacky css-grid++
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Loqi css-grid has 1 karma over the last year
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[dave] Thanks :)
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cweiske chat search is mobile friendlier now
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[Vincent] morning Indieweb
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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bradenslen good morning indieweb
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Jeena I know that I'm not around often here, just wanted to tell you that I'm still very interested in all the topics and I'm reading articles, trying out new clients (very impressed of indigenous-android) and listening to the podcasts, looking really forward to the new episodes of myurlis
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Jeena would love to be on that podcast and talk about my indieweb journey, will try to reach out to Eddie
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Jeena So I posted this https://jeena.net/notes/977 with a webmention to his homepage but I have no idea if it arrives in one of his inboxes and I can't find a email address on his website.
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Loqi [Jeena] Hi, I would love to be in your new podcast "My Url Is". I've been part of the community for a couple of years and would like to tell my story.
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jgmac1106 good morning
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Loqi morning!
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jgmac1106 [jeena] too funny I said to add your podcast you did to the show notes of my show with [eddie]
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sknebel Jeena: are you making it to IWC Nürnberg or Berlin?
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Jeena I was thinking about Berlin, but I'm not 100% sure if I will have the time.
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Jeena hehe neat, jgmac1106
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[eddie] jenna, It worked great! It showed up in the notifications channel of my reader this morning and I just replied 🙂
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[eddie] webmentions++
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Loqi webmentions has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] I’ve been seeing these weird long hex string push notifications from the Twitter iOS app this morning. Anyone else seeing these?
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aaronpk [tantek]: I just got one!
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[jgmac1106] so this spreadsheet is getting a little long, didn't know this many existed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1itbLtjWx2Cx88k2pqqwjY2j9vknLhoXpPXU52sTYbrI/edit#gid=0
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[jgmac1106] !tell tantek as far as I can tell, and the first reference I can find to #toptentuesday is this IGN article on best games and metal bands: https://www.ign.com/articles/2007/10/02/top-ten-tuesday-games-or-metal-bands it then took off among librarian blogs after the launch of Twitter and is now a hashtag used primarily from librarians and #bookphiles
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bradenslen back again
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Jeena [eddie] great to hear! Although I guess this one bug in my code which prevented you to send a reply last time made it so I don't see your reply on my website, but I will look into it why it happens
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[eddie] Ohhh gotcha. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help troubleshoot it. Until then here's the reply 🙂 https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/10/16/5/reply/
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] That sounds great, I appreciate your podcast and especially your episode with Martijn! I’d love to chat with you on the My Url Is podcast 🙂 It’s amazing how quickly my schedule filled up. I’ve already got interviews scheduled until January 1...
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Code of Conduct and the IndieWebCamp Nürnberg 2018" http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/code-of-conduct.htm
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Jeena hehe it looks like people will never stop amazing others with the creativity of their HTML, so [eddie] has this in his HMTL which I didn't expect ;):
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Jeena <a class="u-url" href=""></a>
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Jeena now I fixed that https://jeena.net/notes/977
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Loqi [Jeena] Hi, I would love to be in your new podcast "My Url Is". I've been part of the community for a couple of years and would like to tell my story.
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[eddie] lol that probably should have been “/”
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[eddie] Amazingly its worked everywhere else 😄
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snarfed mf2 parser monoculture ftw
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sknebel huh, no
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sknebel href="" is exactly right for a link to the current document
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[jgmac1106] everyone has a post about their u-url and u-photo "oh-duh" post, and then their second and then their third. We should document those on the wiki
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gRegorLove Jeena, was that a parser issue where it didn't make the URL absolute?
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[jgmac1106] but with IWC coming up, me included once we are using any microformats lets move to the correct channel(s)
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[eddie] Well My Url Is episode 2 won’t be released on Tuesday for Europe 😆 sorry all. It’ll still make it on Tuesday for the US :crossed_fingers:
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[eddie] !tell sknebel wait my html was right?? Yay!! 👏
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi yay!
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snarfed re follow post discussion yesterday...they never really got off the ground, in indieweb in general, but we're going to start using and sending wms for them in bridgy fed soon. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/21
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Loqi [snarfed] #21 translate following, both directions
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