#indieweb 2018-10-20

2018-10-20 UTC
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[Rose] Good morning all 🙂
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aaronpk Guten Morgen!
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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[Rose] The hotel wifi is... Interesting. But to make up for it there's ethernet!
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[Rose] Does anyone want to meet for breakfast somewhere?
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aaronpk Zegnat and I are at Wiehgärtners Bäckeria but will be heading to tollwerk at 8:30 when joschi gets there
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[Rose] I have not yet left my hotel room, so I will see you later 🙂
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camb[m] Good luck IndieWeb.
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Frankm ElElGoodmorning from the copious breakfast at the Acom hotrl around the corner!
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Frankm Well that’s one way to say it Frank. Good goings on your typing skills...
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camb[m] Morgens halb 8 in Deutschland ;)
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camb[m] Halb 10 Knoppers Zeit ;)
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[Rose] The breakfast downstairs seemed a little pricy to me, maybe I'll try it tomorrow 🙂
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[jeremycherfas] I’m at the Backerei now
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Zegnat IWC Nürnberg has reached its start time :D
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Zegnat jkphl welcoming everyone to the third IWC here
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvCoeK79nSU
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvCoeK79nSU
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvCoeK79nSU
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sknebel oops...
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvCoeK79nSU
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvCoeK79nSU
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Zegnat after the organising talk from jkphl, aaronpk is leading us into introductions
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Zegnat People are going to have to walk to the front of the class room to do their introductions.
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Zegnat (Most of the people have taken seat at the table furthest from the screen.)
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sknebel is frantically trying to fix Kaja___'s guts
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Zegnat aaronpk, up first: aaronpk.com
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Zegnat Recently made a function where the total amount of time spent on transport (and number of miles traveled) is displayed on his calendar pages
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Zegnat Stats are per mode-of-transport
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvCoeK79nSU
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sebsel Next up is Martijn / Zegnat
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sknebel shows his h-card page
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sebsel recently started to track his weight, shows a page with a graph of it
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sebsel (and of course everything is microformatted)
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Zegnat Next up sebsel, seblog.nl
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Zegnat The page has been the same for “too long”, so just this week he updated the design of his header
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Zegnat “Does aaron post it? Maybe I can post it too!”
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sebsel :)
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Zegnat Next up: [tonz], zylstra.org
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Zegnat Works a lot with governments to get them more transparent and open
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Zegnat Been blogging on his domain for the past 16 years
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Zegnat That is probably the thing he is most proud of
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Zegnat Trying to bring the stuff he does at silos back to his own domain lately.
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Zegnat Last thing he did was starting to run his own Mastodon instance.
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Zegnat Wants to bring more stuff “home” during this weekend.
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Zegnat Next up: Philip, cowglow.com
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Zegnat Has been converting his site to PHP
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Zegnat Wondering if he could switch to YAML maybe, as it is currently having to parse XML
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Zegnat Also wants to get HTTPS going
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Zegnat Next up: Lars; einmenschnamenslars.de
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Zegnat Works on print magazines, and is trying to expand his skills to the web
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Zegnat Added a rel-me URL at a HWC, at this same location, and is curious to see what more he can learn at this IWC
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sebsel made his site in Kirby, after getting some time to work on it when he broke his foot
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Zegnat Next up: frankmee_, diggingthedigital.com
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Zegnat First IWC in person, but has looked at some live streams.
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sebsel sites uses Jekyll, builded that one out with more IndieWeb features
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Zegnat Running a blog on Jekyll, over the course of the last year he has been adding more and more indieweb featureas
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Zegnat Added tags and categories
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Zegnat Which he hopes will make it easier for readers to get around his blog
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Saa Hello
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Zegnat Wants to get his head around the “webmention thing”
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Zegnat Not just sending and recieving, but understanding
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Zegnat Next up jeremycherfas
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Zegnat jeremycherfas.net
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Zegnat Second time at IWC Nürnberg.
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Zegnat Website is built on Grav. He has a social stream in Known, which gets displayed in a sidebar on his main website’s /blog page’s sidebar
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Zegnat The latest thing he did - is in the process of doing - is to add maps. Using the trails iOS app.
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Zegnat Currently displaying his “standard morning walk”
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Zegnat Next up sknebel https://www.svenknebel.de/
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Zegnat Made the mistake of writing his blog system himself. Which means it is still missing basic things.
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Zegnat Would like to display locations for posts, so the checkin-like posts make more sense
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Zegnat Next up: sl007
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Zegnat No signal from his laptop :(
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Zegnat Journalist, photographer; but it seems his website is nuked, possibly by his hosting company
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Zegnat Who is now tellig him someone might be trying to do something “nasty”
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Zegnat He was very active on Google+ so he has been trying things like Hubzilla, Mastodon, etc., for a couple of days each to see what would work
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Zegnat Wouldn’t mind help leaving his current hosting
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Zegnat Another sebastian up now.
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Zegnat Does Java Enterprise in his day job, indieweb and “makerstuff” in his spare time
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Zegnat Using Jekyll, wants to switch to Nikola (?)
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[cowglow] This is much better!
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4x4DBXa.jpg
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Zegnat Nikola: https://getnikola.com/
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Zegnat (sknebel: do you have sebastian’s URL?)
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sebsel next up Dominic
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Zegnat next up krautsource.info
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Zegnat Enabled Gutenberg to create his portfolio page
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sebsel is a product guy, does not code
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Zegnat Still looking to get it display as he wants it to
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Zegnat Next up anastasia (?).
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Zegnat Spent 5 days setting up a wordpress blog
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Zegnat (note to self: get correct URL.)
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Zegnat Next up: [Rose]
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Zegnat rosemaryorchard.com
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Zegnat Uses Microblog as her social feed. In the process of splitting it of to a separate subdomain from her main site
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Zegnat Worked a lot recently on making Webmentions make it into the system she uses (Grav?)
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Zegnat Next up Marco
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Zegnat Does not have a website. but a problem: he is on nearly every service of the internet
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Zegnat As many hobbies as social media services he uses
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[Rose] Yes, I use Grav, I should have mentioned that, sorry!
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Zegnat His goal is to create a website (by next year) have a blog there, and for it to be available offline
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Zegnat Missed every IWC he wanted to attend, but made it this time!
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Zegnat Next up jansauer.de
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Zegnat No website to show, as he is in the process of rebuilding it onto his own CMS
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Zegnat Hopes to get it working this weekend and have his website back again
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Zegnat Next up calumryan
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Zegnat https://calumryan.com/
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Zegnat Came all the way from England (by train we might add!)
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Zegnat Has had the website ~10 years, last 4 years he has been doing indieweb. Lots of ongoing projects.
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Zegnat Been updating the display of his posts into a nice grid, which is currently filled with many checkins. Doesn’t usually checkin this often, but is currently around people who constantly do ;)
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Zegnat Has gotten webmentions to display on his posts
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Zegnat Hybrid website: dynamic homepage (PHP), but the blog posts are staticly generated.
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Zegnat Also runs the London Homebrew Website Club
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Zegnat Next up: jkphl
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Zegnat jkphl.is
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Zegnat Started 2014 with the intention of blogging ... and maybe got 7 blog posts up to now
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Zegnat Comments are shown from all over, with sources of where they are from (webmentions, silos, ...)
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Zegnat Not sure what he is going to work on, but has a pain point: runs a lot of events and would like those to display well.
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Zegnat Also thinking about pulling his Swarm checkins to his own site
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Zegnat We’ve now gone around the entire room and everyone has had their say! Time for session planning!
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sebsel Zegnat++ for the notes
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Loqi Zegnat has 41 karma in this channel over the last year (172 in all channels)
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[Rose] Zegnat++ again, that was a lot of notes!
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Loqi Zegnat has 42 karma in this channel over the last year (173 in all channels)
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sebsel https://etherpad.indieweb.org/storage
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EraY9LPXXp0
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF9zWeuLPcw
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sebsel aaronpk our hangouts chat broke, I think
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aaronpk fixed! now the ipad has power
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[Marco] So, the problem with Screen Reader software (or other assistive tech) pausing on `<span>` elements depends on the configuration of said software/the user. 👋
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSQWwwOb0gE
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[Marco] related to #microformats session… sorry
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Zegnat [Marco], that’s really interesting! If you want to share any resources about that, there is a separate #microformats channel. Or add it to any of the wiki pages :D (We should have an accessibility page.)
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hardfire Hey ho folks! I'm between a personal indieweb hackathon and got some basic webmentions working on my website! Pretty excited that it works :D
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sebsel hardfire yaay! good work!
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[Rose] Nice!
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hardfire yeah! had been delaying writing my own webmention endpoint for ages, finally got to using webmention.io :D now everyone's happy :D
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmocabsGgSg
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC3bJW3CqT4
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GWG So quiet in the chat
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sknebel I hope the streams work now
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[jgmac1106] Morning Nurnberg. I have to coach two soccer games now but will check in later
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b8j3lf14L0
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3Y5ff7dCCY
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frankmeeuwsen I don't know who made the etherpad notes on the #indiestrategy session, but thanks! Looks like a great representation of the discussion
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[Marco] #offline https://github.com/MarcoHengstenberg/forthehorde 🙂 The repository with the `peon.js` which is the serviceworker script
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Loqi [MarcoHengstenberg] forthehorde: My Grunt being setup for frontend development
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[Marco] https://jakearchibald.github.io/isserviceworkerready/
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[Marco] Free Udacity Course on “Offline Web Sites/Applications” https://www.udacity.com/course/offline-web-applications--ud899
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq8z2169c8s
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Ieu0Qo6yQ
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[Marco] Another resouce [jkphl] also mentioned, which I can highly recommend is this book by Jeremy Keith, published at ABookApart:
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[Marco] https://abookapart.com/products/going-offline
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bQaFu8Yq6E
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No-gKtFdti4
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TKa1SRZXNA
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[jgmac1106] seeing the syndication route of blog>Mastodon>Twitter more and more
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[jgmac1106] who is jackjaimeson?
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dougbeal|mb1 Hello indieweb
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aaronpk oh this is so sad but true https://www.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/9pmqxb/typical_website_in_2018/
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petermolnar oh, that's a beauty
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gRegorLove haha
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petermolnar I miss the statically positioned sticky header/footer
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Loqi misses the statically positioned sticky header too
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petermolnar but apart from that, it's spot on
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petermolnar Loqi, don't miss bad things, please
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petermolnar btw, https://www.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/9pmqxb/typical_website_in_2018/e83y2t5/ - today I came across this: https://plugins.trac.wordpress.org/browser/wp-content-copy-protection/trunk/wpccpl.php#L198
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petermolnar "WP Content Copy Protection" - abuse noscript to make a full-page overlay to force js on to block certain actions, lovely.
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gRegorLove gives Loqi the statically positioned sticky header/footer
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Loqi eats the statically positioned sticky header/footer
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Zegnat Oh, that’s why Loqi misses them. Likes the taste
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[kevinmarks] What is killsticky?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "killsticky" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "killsticky is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[kevinmarks] killsticky is a bookmarklet that hides non scrolling cruft in webpages, useful for making page down work properly and getting popups trying to coerce their way around gdpr out of your reading space https://alisdair.mcdiarmid.org/kill-sticky-headers/
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Loqi ok
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[jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] are sticky navs considered bad form?
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jacky [jgmac1106]: I don't believe so. As with everything, when done with accessibility and ease of use for the user in mind, it's helpful
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jacky on long pages when navigation is out of reach, being able to scroll up a bit and have it appear is helpful
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jacky however, if it's super huge and obscures content for the sake of showing itself all of the time then that's a no-no
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[kevinmarks] There are better ways now
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jacky Mailchimp's recent re-design has a good example of this
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jacky https://mailchimp.com/ - note how the icon remains to the left and hidden and the nav appears when you hover/interact with it
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[kevinmarks] https://api.slack.com/best-practices/voice-and-tone
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[kevinmarks] That's a good link but I meant to paste https://mamot.fr/@burgervege/100926926807166120
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Loqi [gu://au.me:십일] Le web, 2018 [video]