#indieweb 2018-10-21

2018-10-21 UTC
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[Rose] Hello from a very chilly Nürnberg
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tonz good morning all, indeed it is chilly, but the coffee at the IWC Nbg is fresh and hot.
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aaronpk ☕️ 🔥
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[Marco] Morning 👋 unfortunately I'll be a bit late this morning for the camp 😞 had some pressing affair of “family phone call” 😬
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[Marco] but I'll skip breakfast in the hotel and feast on the Tollwerk Coffee and whatever snacks I can obtain 😏
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frankmeeuwsen Let's try this again
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frankmeeuwsen For some reason I can't post links?
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[Rose] I can't see the links in Slack either
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frankmeeuwsen Let's try this again. Here's the link of the day: https://diggingthedigital.com/hacksessies/
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Loqi [Frank Meeuwsen] Het plan voor de IndieWebCamp hack-sessies
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aaronpk now Loqi likes frank
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frankmeeuwsen @tonz try this parser as well https://php.microformats.io/
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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[jgmac1106] What is tgd temperature in Nuremberg?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tgd temperature in Nuremberg" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "tgd temperature in Nuremberg is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106] Oops
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sl007 Please make it warm !
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[jgmac1106] !calc the tempature in Nuremberg as Fahrenheit
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Loqi Nuremberg, Germany | 50 °F (31 minutes ago) Fahrenheit | 45 °F (55 minutes ago) http://www5b.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP39132303bcda6af53fia000048i39542h6ifai74?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=51
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[jgmac1106] !calc the tempature of East Haddam as Celsius
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Loqi no idea, sorry
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[jgmac1106] 47 degrees here, our weather matches... Though sun ain't up yet
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jgmac1106 what time are demos today?
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aaronpk 4:30pm
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aaronpk 3 hours until demos will start soon
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2018-10-21 7:21am PDT (#6402)
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aaronpk how long until demos will start soon?
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[cowglow] I'm ready to demo now
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sknebel [cowglow]: then go find another project
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sknebel :D
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Zegnat That is not allowed, sorry
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Zegnat It is simply not allowed to be ready to demo ;)
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[cowglow] standing by
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[Marco] Because the question came up about learning resources I'm using:
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[Marco] http://abookapart.com/ (I own all the books because they are what ABA says they are: brief and filled with content)
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[Marco] cssgrid.io & flexbox.io (free courses to learn the Flexible Box Layout Module and CSS Grid)
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[Marco] alistapart.com (blog on Web Development, Web Design, User Experience and whatnot… )
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[Marco] http://inclusive-components.design/ (Website by Heydon Pickering showing common user interface components but build with inclusivity/accessibility in mind)
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[Marco] and what I do on a daily basis when writing HTML/CSS/JavaScript is checking https://developer.mozilla.org/ 🙂
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Zegnat For today’s project, I learned mobile browsers are not at all consistent with cssgrid :(
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[Marco] There's a curated list of browser bugs with CSS Grid: https://github.com/rachelandrew/gridbugs
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Loqi [rachelandrew] gridbugs: A curated list of Grid interop issues
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[Marco] same applies to Flexbox: https://github.com/philipwalton/flexbugs
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Loqi [philipwalton] flexbugs: A community-curated list of flexbox issues and cross-browser workarounds for them.
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[Marco] The first book by ABookApart is available for free on the web by the way: http://html5forwebdesigners.com/
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[Marco] It's by Jeremy Keith (2nd edition written together with Rachel Andrew).
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[cowglow] Question..
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[cowglow] do I need to commit the lock files i.e yarn.lock
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[cowglow] or composer.lock
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[Marco] highly recommended 🙂
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geekodour_mob what are demos?
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Loqi Demos are IndieWeb projects with instructions on how to demonstrate them, preferably quickly like under a minute or so, and lists of demo sessions from past IndieWebCamps https://indieweb.org/Demos
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Loqi Countdown set by aaronpk on 2018-10-21 at 4:21am PDT
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Loqi demos will start soon
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aaronpk ooo
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jgmac1106 excited
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dougbeal 🕺
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[Rose] And one project is fixed!
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[Rose] There is some frantic typing going on
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sknebel demos are being set up
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Zegnat aaronpk, is talking us into the demos
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Kaja___ [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZxDltB4_fo
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Zegnat cowglow is up first
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sknebel first is phillip, cowglow.com
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sknebel *philip
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Zegnat Worked on implementing YAML, based on storage discussion during the sessions
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Zegnat Can dynamically switch between different backend sources when rendering his site
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frankmeeuwsen The same here. I have some (Dutch) notes on my progress in Microformats on my blog: http://diggingthedigital.com//indiewebcamp-microformats-done/
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Loqi [Frank Meeuwsen] Voortgang hacksessie IndieWebCamp
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sknebel LOQI!
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Zegnat Also added a way to switch language of his site
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frankmeeuwsen Sorry Loqi
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frankmeeuwsen Hi all. Team Human here again
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sknebel :)
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sknebel cleaned up site structure too
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Zegnat Next step after all the cleanup work he did: micropub
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sknebel next up is Marco
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frankmeeuwsen So (Dutch) testnotes on webmentions can be found on my blog http://diggingthedigital.com//webmention-test/
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Loqi [Frank Meeuwsen] Een blog om Webmentions te testen
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sknebel still doesn't have a website, but was able to code up something that he can put somewhere
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sknebel small landing page with nice responsive design, shared some findings in chat
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jgmac1106 I need to copy his menu. I messed mine up mine
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frankmeeuwsen Sound on Youtube is a bit low
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sknebel will find a domain and hosting ... and put it up
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[Rose] Just moved the mic
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sknebel next ist Sebastian/ sl007
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sknebel put up old static site at alternative domain, since trouble with main server
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sknebel redaktor.me
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frankmeeuwsen https://i.imgur.com/875WWpv.jpg
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sknebel information about current project, slideshow in the background, audio samples, video trailer
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frankmeeuwsen Watching the demo on the train
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sknebel info about other projects, livestream page that shows information collected from other sites, with updates to stories he worked on
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sknebel frankmeeuwsen: audio ok now?
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frankmeeuwsen Much better, thanks!
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sknebel next anastasia. adjst.de
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sknebel wordpress blog, content still in progress
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sknebel adjusted design (removed menus, different colors for different categories, small other bugs)
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sknebel next is björn
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sknebel has too many websites
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sknebel worked on two things
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sknebel had in the morning static site, wordpress blog, and a known stream (known.stierand.org)
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sknebel made a braindump of all the tools/websites/online services he's using
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sknebel based on this decided to scrap main static site
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sknebel known site will become main sites (bjoern.stierand.org)
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sknebel looking into extracting content from WP into Known
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sknebel tried to narrow down on cloud storage services. used multcloud.com to move data between cloud services directly
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sknebel got rid of dropbox and GDrive that way
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sknebel next up is sebsel
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sknebel has been working on a reader
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jgmac1106 happy tp lay with people in #knownchat
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jgmac1106 been experimenting with the Wordpress import plugin
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sknebel started with Aperture, but now wrote his own
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sknebel leesmap.test
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jgmac1106 …unsuccessfully, but @cleverdevil has the quitbook plugin that is basically a micropub client that imports the json files…wondering if the same thing can be done
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jgmac1106 migration as micropub
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sknebel also wrote own client
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sknebel used graph database in the backend
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sknebel interesting visualizations in its admin UI
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jgmac1106 ohh cool
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sknebel shows shared likes etween users
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jgmac1106 researcher in me says, “yes please” have this in every reader
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sknebel (I guess the DB is Neo4j)
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jgmac1106 one of the best tools for social network analysis I have seen.
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sknebel UI shows most-liked things, not things from the feeds he follows, but things that have been liked by those feeds
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sknebel next is dominic
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sknebel dominic.grzbielok.de
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sknebel looked for a gutenberg-friendly WP theme he liked
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sknebel started feeding posts and read activity from other sites into it
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sknebel next is jkphl, jkphl.is
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sknebel added more events to website
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sknebel added support for RSVP webmentions
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sknebel shows demo with post by aaronpk
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sknebel next is jeremycherfas
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sebsel https://jkphl.is/events/indiewebcamp-berlin-2018/
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Loqi IndieWebCamp Berlin 2018 — November 3rd-4th, Berlin
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sknebel jeremycherfas.net
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sebsel (we are invited to rsvp if we want to come)
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sknebel wanted to move movement data out of the trails app
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sknebel got some information extracted from massive JSON blobs
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sknebel shows example post (on local dev environment), which shows path and summary info about the walk e did this morning to get here
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sknebel implemented as a Grav template
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sknebel that can be applied to specific posts
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sknebel future: wants photos taken on the walk shown as markers on the route
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sknebel next up is aaronpk
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sknebel runs code for first time here, as you should
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sknebel small thing: fixed his media endpoint so it files files by date
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sknebel main project:
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sknebel normally he uses teacup.p3k.io to track what he eats
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sknebel but it a website
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sknebel made a site with service workers that can do this offline, records post and syncs them when it is online
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sknebel installs as PWA on phone
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sknebel if phone offline the app still loads
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sknebel takes sip of coffee to not lie on his public website
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sknebel creates "drink post" for the coffee
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sknebel app tries to post to server, failure is captured by service worker
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sknebel doesn't actually work on iphone yet (safari issue?), but from desktop
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sknebel next up Martijn/Zegnat
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[Rose] Demoing for 3 people
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sknebel first thing he did: how do you actually mirror android phone screen to a macbook?!
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sknebel build a nicer UI for posting activities
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sknebel inspired by facebook UI
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sknebel posting interface with list of activities
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sknebel each of them is input field to add details
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sknebel e.g. "At ...." -> "At Tollwerk"
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sknebel multiple ones can be activated and form a single post
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sknebel post goes to the website, shows all entered activites
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sknebel next: demoing for Ton Zijlstra, showing blog posts
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sknebel removed duplicate h-cards from front page
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sknebel by tweaking WP template
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sknebel didn't like that mentions delivered via Webmention didn't show content
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sknebel now has context from the post
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sknebel next frankmeeuwsen
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sknebel added microformats to his website
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sknebel (h-entry, h-card)
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sknebel also tested webmention related things, working on automatic webmentions
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sknebel next is Lars
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sknebel einmenschnamenslars.de
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sknebel battled KirbyCMS, and won
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sknebel got time on blog post shown
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Zegnat Next up sknebel
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[Rose] The pile of adapters at the front is impressively large
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Zegnat https://www.svenknebel.de/
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Zegnat Did some minor things: like adding pagination to the blog display
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Zegnat For most of the day pagination generated links that crashed the server
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Zegnat surprisingly long to implement something like pagination without a database
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Zegnat Just one of those little things you would get for free with a bigger (non-self-made) CMS
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sknebel next up Rose
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Zegnat https://rosemaryorchard.com/
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sknebel was at geo session yesterday, installed overland app
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Zegnat Installed the Overland app after the geo session
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Zegnat Woke up with 3000 datapoints
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Zegnat Installed the Compass server implementation to get the datapoints
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Zegnat Shows the convoluted route we took looking for a bar yesterday night
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Zegnat Next step will be to also get Overland to post trips to her website
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Zegnat Next project: she uses Grav and would like a micropub plugin for it
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Zegnat There is an admin UI for the plugin now, though that is currently it, there is a UI
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Zegnat Followed the earlier suggestion by aaronpk to store uploads in year/month folders
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Zegnat Next up calumryan
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Zegnat https://calumryan.com/
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Zegnat Was doing some additions to his homepage to include extra bits about what he does “right now”
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Zegnat But got held-up
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Zegnat Worked on HTTP/2 support
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Zegnat Shows in the developer console that all the assets have been fetched through h2
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Zegnat The problem was that the micropub endpoint broke . though why is still an open question. It might be because getallheaders() is not working (PHP)
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Zegnat Would like weather/temperature on checkins
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dougbeal :clap:
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jgmac1106 :clap:
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jgmac1106 congrats all
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[Marco] To mention it on here as well: it was exciting and a great experience to be at my first Indie Web Camp! Thanks to everyone for making it such lovely two days. ❤
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jgmac1106 bye everyone, it was nice to meet you all, one day will get to Europe event
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Zegnat Thanks everyone! :D
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Zegnat is happy with what he did
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frankmeeuwsen_ Due to the lag that is called Deutsche Telekom we are still watching the stream on the train. Rose just finished
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frankmeeuwsen_ Thanks all for a great weekend, lots of insights and new connections. Both from me and Ton.
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jgmac1106 <—sings up to beta test “RingMyBell” app anytime, glad I am deciding on a Known engine since [zegnat] such a PHP guru
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bradenslen Fantastic job everyone!
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tonz Indeed, (now that I switched off the video and opened a browser again), thank you for a fun weekend! Good to see the demoes from the train.
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[jeremycherfas] Fantastic time. Thanks to everyone for generous help and support.
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[eddie] Just finished skimming some of the notes from sessions. Looks like some interesting topics!!
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GWG Hi, Eddie
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[eddie] Hey
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[eddie] 👋
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GWG How is My URL is going?
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[Rose] I'm not sure if this is more dev or not, but when I'm discovering the post type, would you expect that to just be saved in the header or would using a different template post also be appropriate/acceptable?
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GWG Why would you save it in the header?
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GWG What are you discovering it from?
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[Rose] I'm discovering it from the data sent, and sorry, when I say header I mean the metadata of the post which is stored in a YAML header in Grav
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[Rose] (I'm trying to make an IndieWeb Grav skeleton)
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GWG Oh...store it
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GWG So you don't have to recheck it unless the page is updated
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[Rose] The thing is, I'd like to make different templates too, so you can have photos displayed one way, and notes another, without having to dig through one massive template.
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GWG So, the type you detect can dictate the template. That's what I do
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[Rose] Ok, and that's expected by users?
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GWG Different layouts for different types? Yes
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[Rose] I wouldn't want to be doing something completely unexpected, and as I've been working on this theme for a bit I think my view is already skewed.
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[Rose] Good Good
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[dave] Aloha IndieWeb
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[Rose] Hey!
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GWG Aloha
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GWG Rose, what in Overland does trips? I don't have an iPhone
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[Rose] I'm not sure what else can talk to Compass, but from what I'm seeing it starts and stops a trip, and when it starts it sends the start time and travel method
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GWG So, there's a command to tell it you are starting a trip?
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GWG I have a program that can send geojson on Android
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[Rose] I _think_ so, but looking at the API I'm no longer sure
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[dave] Just caught up on a few days of missed chat. Seconding the recommendation of the book Going Offline.
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[Rose] Maybe [eddie] can contribute as he's not in a bar with Aaron right now? 😛
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GWG I can wait and ask another time
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GWG I am in a car
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GWG Watching the demos on my phone
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[Rose] According to the Overland app github repo it sends a POST which contains a trip and other information
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[Rose] The trip is only included if you are on a trip
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GWG Hmm, will have to ask aaronpk how that works
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[Rose] That's better than me guessing 😄
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GWG I feel like I ask too much sometimes
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Zegnat Oops, I didn't even use my fancy new posting to show that I am "in a bar with Aaron"
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GWG Don't spoil it, I am only up to sgregor
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Zegnat Hahaha, sorry GWG. Not sgreger though, he wasn't here. Though we had plenty Sebastia(a)ns
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Loqi hahahaha
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GWG Really? Mistook one Sebastian for another?
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GWG Oh well
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GWG Apologies, hard to see on my phone
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GWG Up to watching Aaronpk. Only one of those
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Zegnat True! Haha
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GWG We could use more
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GWG How does that app work, Zegnat?
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Zegnat Well... It's a webform. And it posts to the server. And then it is a post?
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GWG Okay, so not Micropub?
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Zegnat Just with a manifest file so you can "install" it to the home screen
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Zegnat No. Not yet at least
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GWG ok
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GWG Will have to look
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Zegnat Maybe if people nag me in Berlin.
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[Rose] Nag nag nag.
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GWG Zegnat, I will just wake you up saying.."Show me the code."
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[Rose] 😇
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dougbeal|imac !meme show me the code.
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4x5XvLah.jpg
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Zegnat I'll put it on GitHub when I'm home. Who knows.
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tonz if anyone's still around I have a question. I've run into some issues because HTTP_Authorization headers are not available. They're not available under PHP run as CGI. googling doesn't point me towards solutions, maybe one of you has a few pointers? Not sending those headers seems to be causing issues with micropublish
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tonz hi
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tonz what I find as suggested solution (but not in recent artilces) is run php as module in apache, not as cgi. But I have no idea as to potential consequences.
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Zegnat Did you try the htaccess flag? We need that sometimes for Apache...
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Zegnat Else I'll need to do more research then possibly from the bar.
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tonz I will google on that flag, and see what gives. thanks
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tonz if you meant things like SetEnvIf Authorization "(.*)" HTTP_AUTHORIZATION=$1 or some such, that didn't workk
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[eddie] GWG: I’ll make a note in Dev about Overland’s Trips
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KartikPrabhu also indieweb-dev :)
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tonz @kartikprabhu, you're right.
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doubleloop Hi all
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doubleloop Is it possible to follow people on Twitter in an indiereader? (I'm using hosted aperture)
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GWG You can route it through granary, I think
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ned0 has the website always been indieweb.org?
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snarfed doubleloop: https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/
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snarfed ned0: it used to be indiewebcamp.com
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snarfed !tell tonz https://wordpress.org/plugins/micropub/#faq
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG snarfed, I am starting to think that I should just release 2.0
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GWG The problems appear to be in Indieauth more often than Micropub
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ned0 that's what I thought snarfed ty, cool to see the shortened domain now
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ned0 skipping the next HWC in SF due to halloween the 31st?
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snarfed GWG: ok!
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GWG I will push today. And if we get feedback I will rush fixes.
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doubleloop GWG: oh nice, thanks! yes that worked (using atom feeds in granary)
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doubleloop well that's pretty awesome
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snarfed doubleloop++
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Loqi doubleloop has 1 karma over the last year
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[eddie] Yay, I added Trip Itineraries to my site this weekend! https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/10/25/1/travel/
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] Traveling via train on Amtrak 84 from Baltimore, MD to New York, NY
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GWG Eddie, you came to town and didn't say hi?
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[eddie] Not yet
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[Rose] I want to do that. But what’s nice is Grav hides future posts until they show.
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[eddie] Itineraries, GWG. Take a look at the date ;D
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[Rose] I am debating if I want them to be hidden or not though.
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[eddie] Ahhh yeah. Right now this is unlisted
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[eddie] so I can share a link but no one will stumble on it
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[eddie] I like that balance
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[Rose] That’s nice.
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[Rose] Itineraries are cool regardless.
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[Rose] Might be -dev, but how are you doing it?
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[eddie] Definitely. Next I’ll have to figure out Geocoding so I can display pretty maps
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[eddie] Non-dev answer, I’m using Quill
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[Rose] Ahh
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[eddie] quill.p3k.io/itineraries
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[eddie] oops typo
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[eddie] https://quill.p3k.io/itinerary
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Loqi Quill
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[Rose] I think Loqi needs ink and a scroll
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[eddie] lol
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ned0 oh wow, [eddie]
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GWG I need... notification when someone like Eddie comes to town
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ned0 i feel like I have found more people from MD after leaving
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ned0 than I did while I was there
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ned0 which is a bummer
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GWG Did aaronpk ever add summaries to itinerary in Quill?
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ned0 lol
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GWG ned0 for where?
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[eddie] GWG I don’t think so I don’t see a summary in the content I received
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[eddie] ned0 that’s too bad!
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ned0 denver area GWG and now oakland for a bit
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ned0 hoping to make it to the next SF HWC
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GWG I really want itineraries q
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ned0 oh man, I am so excited someone built indiewebring
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ned0 I have wanted a webring for personal sites for years and never managed to pull it together
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GWG Eddie, by the way, when you try to figure out geocoding we can talk as I have been embedded in that problem of late
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[eddie] Oh yeah? That sounds good
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GWG I support 3 different static map providers
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GWG And, 1 now 0 reverse geocoders
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[cleverdevil] Afternoon, IndieWeb!
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[cleverdevil] Sounds like fun was had by all at IWC.
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sknebel [cleverdevil]: indeed it was :)
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[cleverdevil] Thanks to [eddie], Indiepaper for iOS will soon be in the App Store!
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[cleverdevil] FINALLY
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jgmac1106 was going to suggest this but it looks like it shut down: https://twitrss.me/
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snarfed jgmac1106: also a key difference is that it only offers individual users or searches, not your full timeline
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snarfed heh. from its front page, a ways down, "Rather than use the api, I just screen scraped the open web for the data."...and then at the top, "2018-10-17: Twitter are https://github.com/ciderpunx/twitrssme/issues/59#issuecomment-430535935 requests from TwitRSS.me, meaning it is effectively broken"
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Loqi [anarchitectures] Noticed the same issue. Many of my twitter feeds are now either unreachable or unscrapable.
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snarfed no surprise
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snarfed they willfully disregarded the api for no good reason, so they got rate limited
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jgmac1106 I have always used this: https://tags.hawksey.info never actually went and added all the data in but its all in newat spreadsheets for me so must be some way
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Old_Man Anybody using Django CMS? Does it include any nice indieweb features?
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[cleverdevil] @Old_Man, I believe that there are a few people out there using Django.
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[cleverdevil] https://gitlab.com/00dani/lemoncurry
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[cleverdevil] That's one example.
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Old_Man Interesting; thanks
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KartikPrabhu what is Django
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Loqi Django is a python web application framework used in some IndieWeb projects https://indieweb.org/Django
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KartikPrabhu Old_Man: ^
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KartikPrabhu also Django and Django CMS are different things
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