#indieweb 2018-11-10

2018-11-10 UTC
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sl007 good morning
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Loqi greetings human
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[jgmac1106] Good Morning
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doubleloop Morning
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[jgmac1106] jeremycherfas++
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Loqi jeremycherfas has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (27 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] for this one: http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/11/10/just-a-blog-in-the-machine-jeremeycherfas-2004
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sl007 sebsel fyi https://neo4j.com/blog/fosdem-2019-join-us-in-the-graph-developer-room/ at FOSDEM's http://graphdevroom.github.io
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[jgmac1106] sl007 looks like my trip tp credcon got all messed up with their travel voucher system, going to apply to go to NL on Monday
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sebsel oh.
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[jgmac1106] fingers crossed, if I can split my travel budget and cover NL and Austin this year I will
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sl007 cool - personally I have had a negative feeling about credcon because of the Facebook "Journalism Project" sponsor. However, nice, tell me if you need any help.
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[jgmac1106] yeah I wanted to go as it is part of my research, students and web credibility and many folk on the same credible web w3c community group....but I put little faith in technical solutions, metadata wont fix this
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[jgmac1106] found out I have a direct to schopiin and flights usually around 350-450, so should be doable, need to scrape up a few additional funds but should be doable..just need to leave enough in reserve for Austin
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jeremycherfas !tell [jgmac1106] Yikes. How did you dig that up? There's a lot more to the story, I can tell you (but not in writing. Another BlogTalk conference would be awesome.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] I am going through BlogTalk archives and bookmarking blog research came across your paper
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jeremycherfas Cool. Funny, because tonz in Nürnberg reminded me that we had me there -- 15 years ago.
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sknebel Good morning Indieweb!
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[jgmac1106] !tell jeremycherfas the conference semed to have shifted in 2008 to a less academic study of blogs
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] 2010 the vintage gets better, but still no longer paper presenations...snazzy deck time
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jeremycherfas I did have a PPT with mine. I wonder where that is?
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Loqi jeremycherfas: [jgmac1106] left you a message 31 minutes ago: the conference semed to have shifted in 2008 to a less academic study of blogs
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bradenslen Good morning Indieweb!
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GWG Morning
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Loqi *yawn* ... /stretch/
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kisik21 Are there any services like a total feed of indieweb that anyone could send a post to? I wanna find people to follow and I want find people who will be interested in my rants about things.
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kisik21 I heard of IndieNews, but I don't know what should be posted in there...
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GWG Discovery is always a problem in any community
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aaronpk there isn't really the concept of a "total feed of indieweb" since that could be the entire internet, but things like news.indieweb.org or indieweb.xyz are probably the right direction
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aaronpk news.indieweb.org is specifically to collect posts about the indieweb
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aaronpk but https://indieweb.xyz/ has tags for a bunch of different topics
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GWG aaronpk, if it is the year of the reader, maybe we should talk discovery of new content though
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aaronpk sebsel was working on that :)
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kisik21 indieweb.xyz might be the thing I'm looking for! aaronpk++
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kisik21 wait
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kisik21 aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 46 karma in this channel over the last year (306 in all channels)
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kisik21 yeah, that's good
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GWG Basically, how do I find people to follow?
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aaronpk GWG in very practical terms, I've done that already by following people and seeing what they like and repost from other people
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kisik21 GWG: find content aggregators like indieweb.xyz and post there. And follow people from there.
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kisik21 Could be nice to filter this through some kind of personalized algorithms (obviously optional and open-source)
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GWG I was thinking it might be a good session for a future camp
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kisik21 quite sad I can't attend any of these camps because I'm in Russia, and while domains there are cheap (less than $12/yr), trips to other countries are not...
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donpdonp how does indieweb.xyz determine a topic for a post?
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GWG We should plan the resurrection of Indiewebcamp Online
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kisik21 Probably p-category. Use h-entries and microformats to influence this.
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Loqi yea
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kisik21 Loqi is alive?!!
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kisik21 who made Loqi say this?
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sknebel nobody
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kisik21 how did Loqi answer then?
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kisik21 p-category
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kisik21 h-entries
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kisik21 Probably
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kisik21 sorry for spam
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donpdonp GWG i agree discovery needs more effort (same is true for mastodon)
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sknebel I think Loqi was responding to GWG
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Zegnat gives Loqi something to respond to
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Zegnat Darn
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kisik21 pretends to be Loqi and responds
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donpdonp kisik21: ah yes there is a p-category. <a class="p-category" href="/tag/indieweb" rel="tag">indieweb</a>
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kisik21 https://fireburn.ru/note/1541871513/
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[dave] G'morning indie web
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Loqi [Vika] I feel I should just… you know… rewrite the whole thing. My Hugo theme feels just too hacky.
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kisik21 question. How does my site look? does it looks like a collection of patches from years ago with some oversized stuff, no styling on some links and other things?
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GWG Haven't played at all with Mastodon, but it is problem I have all the time
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petermolnar kisik21: we're all suspecting it that Loqi is either sentient or aaronpk sometimes answers in it's name
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petermolnar gives Loqi sentience
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aaronpk I never manually control Loqi, that's a principle i've had since I launched him
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petermolnar in that case please don't let Loqi watch Terminator
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petermolnar (it never really was a true suspicion that you do anything manual with Loqi, I was only joking about that, the sentience part is more interesting anyway)
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bradenslen GWG on discovery. The important thing is to get your posts syndicated to a lot of different places.
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bradenslen There is not just one place or one way.
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GWG Well, that is people discovering me
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GWG I am looking to discover other people
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kisik21 Webrings can be like this. But these are fairly random.
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kisik21 By the way... some IndieWebRing members have dropped their webring links from pages. Why are they still members of the ring?
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bradenslen If I keep seeing they same domain listed or showing up everywhere I go I eventually check it out.
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GWG They broke the chain? Bad luck will follow
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GWG I still think it is a good topic of discussion
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GWG The..if you like aaronpk, you may like tantek...
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kisik21 Hm.
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kisik21 I got an idea.
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aaronpk did you watch seb's demo from nürnberg?
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kisik21 Make an indieweb crawler! It will crawl content and log people and tags they use. And then it could see the similarities between topics via tags. If you like aaronpk and tantek, you'll probably like other people who write techy stuff about IndieWeb.
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aaronpk what is indiemap?
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Loqi indie map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset, made by Ryan Barrett and launched at IndieWeb Summit 2017 https://indieweb.org/indiemap
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aaronpk there's a big dataset you can pull from to start doing that already!
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GWG I think I will pass for now
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GWG Too many projects
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GWG Following is on the list
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GWG I have to do more with the parsing code for Microsub, fix a Micropub auth issue, etc
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bradenslen But it does relate directly to the list of places to syndicate to in the plugins
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kisik21 and I need to rewrite my site because I realized I hate how it looks :c
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kisik21 buuut... https://fireburn.ru/note/1541875080/
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Loqi [Vika] Instead of writing code, I stare at the window, move my cursor and see how it leaps in the reflection… this is so mesmerizing… 🤤
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petermolnar !tell adaction in https://adactio.com/journal/14509 you mention you geotag your content - do you store the local timezone information as well? This is something I have trouble keeping up with, where and when locally something was created, especially with photos without geo data and potentially forgotten timezone swaps in them.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar damn
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petermolnar me and my typing mistakes
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petermolnar !tell adactio in https://adactio.com/journal/14509 you mention you geotag your content - do you store the local timezone information as well? This is something I have trouble keeping up with, where and when locally something was created, especially with photos without geo data and potentially forgotten timezone swaps in them.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel petermolnar: probably a good idea to e-mail him, he isn't in IRC much
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petermolnar it's not urgen
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petermolnar t
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petermolnar and the question actually applies to everyone - how do you deal with timezones? :)
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sknebel not much is like once or twice a year. yeah, good question. I normally keep my DSLR in my home timezone and adjust afterwards in lightroom if I remember to do it, I guess my phone auto-adjusts. also try to occasionally photograph clocks just in case
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sknebel my site doesn't do anything with submitted geodata yet, so it doesn't look up timezones either
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Zegnat I’m updating my posting interface to also post the browser’s (which will basically always be my phone’s) local time. Phones generally auto adjust, as sknebel said, so hopefully that will cover things
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sebsel re readers and discovery, yeah, I'm working on something. I really hope I'll get all the loops closed and launch some kind of a reader, but here's my blogpost about what I had at Nürnberg https://seblog.nl/2018/10/22/13/three-things-about-readers
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] Three things about Readers during IndieWebCamp Nürnberg
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sebsel GWG ^^^
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GWG What did I do?
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sebsel Ah, I thought you talked about readers :)
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sebsel Excuse my nudge if I was wrong
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GWG sebsel: I did.
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kisik21 My country has most timezones in the world. We just mark the timezone if we want to refer to the specific time globally. Or use the time of our capital city. Guess what country I'm living in ^^
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GWG I don't use one yet though.
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GWG kisik21: Easter Island?
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kisik21 Russia
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GWG kisik21: I was kidding. You said it earlier.
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kisik21 I dunno where Easter Island is
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kisik21 sorry I'm bad with jokes
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GWG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Island
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kisik21 and with geography too
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[eddie] !tell GWG I saw you mention IWC Online, earlier! I brought that up yesterday in Meta. Take a look over here and feel free to continue the conversation in Meta https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2018-11-08#t1541705550957900
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [[eddie]] I was chatting with [eli_oat] today and we were discussing IndieWebCamp online. We were thinking about it being a melding of synchronous and asynchronous. The thought was some of the intro presentations could be pre-recorded and released at the start...
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