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@manton2 Homebrew Website Club tonight! 6:30pm. I’m heading down to Mozart’s Coffee now. https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/1060322839755218944)
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@daften ↩️ @jplyle @webinosproject Indieweb looks very similar too imo (twitter.com/_/status/1060380760283049984)
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[manton] Feb 23-24 still looks like the best weekend for IndieWebCamp Austin. [jgmac1106], I noticed that wasn't one of your dates on the wiki, though... If you think you might make it, could Feb 23-24 work or do you have a definite conflict?
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[manton] If anyone else has any feedback, let me know too. We have Feb 23-24 tentatively reserved at the venue but want to be sure before we lock it down.
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gRegorLove still sounds good to me
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@jackyalcine ↩️ @Pinboard Yo. Thanks for the fish man. Hope you consider joining federating communities or even the #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1060419834930855936)
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jeremycherfas jalcine++
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[kevinmarks] Maciej has argued against it before https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/11/the_social_graph_is_neither/
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jacky 7 years ago
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[kevinmarks] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2011/11/our-brains-make-social-graph-real.html?m=1
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sknebel oh oops, Kaja of course lost track of the next HWCs with the changes yesterday. guess I'll fix that up today then
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calumryan.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+27) "/* London */ +2 Organizers" (view diff)
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@johnchidgey There seems to be two dimensions to the Fediverse: 1) Compliance with an accepted Federated Protocol [ActivityPub/IndieWeb]; 2) How "open" your source code is/appears to be. Non-compliance results in shaming. (twitter.com/_/status/1060483716080918531)
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redaktor.me edited /2019/Vlissingen (+125) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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@mrkrndvs ↩️ Maybe rather than going beyond likes we need to start a conversation about what a like should actually be? https://collect.readwriterespond.com/on-beyond-like/ #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1060490084082798599)
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[jgmac1106] [manton], I can make that work
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@dogtrax ↩️ Agreed. Appreciated. And we need to make visible that construction of such tools (likes, thumbs, plus, whatevers) are actually data gathering tools for social media. We use them for one thing when they are mostly designed for another (advertising $$$) #unboundeq #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1060492476786622465)
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@mguhlin RT dogtrax Maybe rather than going beyond likes we need to start a conversation about what a like should actually be? https://collect.readwriterespond.com/on-beyond-like/ #IndieWeb https://collect.readwriterespond.com/on-beyond-like/ via https://twitter.com/mrkrndvs/status/1060490084082798599 (twitter.com/_/status/1060492943306440704)
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@IndieWebTV ‘High Fidelity’ #TV Series: @ZoeKravitz to Star in @Disney #Streaming Show http://indieweb.tv/b86a (@TVLine) (twitter.com/_/status/1060493285523898368)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Yeah if you want to engage an hours of philosophical debate on the meaning of a "like" versus a "bookmark" or a "thumbs-up" #IndieWeb place to be..though with your own website you know you own the like to do with what you want. #unboundeq (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/218zfg) (twitter.com/_/status/1060493577489395713)
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petermolnar [jgmac1106]: https://petermolnar.net/making-things-private/#silo-reactions-only-make-sense-within-the-silo - I had this debate with myself a long while ago
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petermolnar we have some chatlogs about it as well
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I like @chrisaldrich's take. He doesn't do likes, considers them to be digital vapor. #unboundeq #indieweb (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1frtck) (twitter.com/_/status/1060503178599391232)
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sknebel if someone has comments about the new idea for meetup pages described here https://indieweb.org/Organizers/event_pages#2018-11-07 or ideas how to make those pages look nicer (both structure and custom CSS) we'd love to hear it!
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Wow thanks! Best way to get someone to play is to ask them. I know @eddiehinkle is organizing a 100% online @IndieWebCamp this year. Lot of interest from the open pedagogy, blogging #DoOO crowd for an online event. Will have to time shift for… http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/11/08/mweller-wow-thanks-best-way-to-get (twitter.com/_/status/1060506180118892544)
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sknebel [jgmac1106]: if the date for your IWC is secured, can you add it to the front page?
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@jgmac1106 @mweller you should share this event with @A_L_T members: https://indieweb.org/2019/Vlissingen I have never been to the Netherlands. Open Pedagogy and #IndieWeb coming together bc they were always the same thing. Gonna try and make the event before FOSDESM19 (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2hPXIt) (twitter.com/_/status/1060507361117384704)
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@mweller ↩️ @jgmac1106 @EddieHinkle @indiewebcamp Thanks - we’ve put it out to @GOGN_OER network (twitter.com/_/status/1060508407197847554)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel !tell aaronpk in what format does mediawiki produce edit notifications (e.g. those Loqi consumes)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+95) "+1 Austin 2/23-24 (would have to fly back Sunday night)" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 Wow, was a bit behind on #el30 as my blogging in the cloud paper on #IndieWeb and #ds106 (still not done...grrrrr) ate up so much time, excited to see @benwerd leading this weeks talk......though I am kinda blockchain...shmockchain...... #mb (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1ZzfxZ) (twitter.com/_/status/1060517023065739265)
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tantek.com edited /Planning () "(-716) move Austin to 2019 since that's happening rather than late 2018, remove Austin 2018 dates" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+1) "move all but LA from 2018 to 2019" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+408) "Note Dusseldorf for 2019 likely since Beyond Tellerand Düsseldorf dates announced, add possible before/after weekends" (view diff)
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[schmarty] chrisaldrich++ for https://boffosocko.com/wordpress-and-indieweb/ ! So much good stuff in there.
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swentel oh yes
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swentel that can be a good inspiration for my upcoming talk
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swentel just need to replace the wordpress with drupal hehe :)
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GWG Search and Replace
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@jgmac1106 WordPress and IndieWeb by @chrisaldrich #DoOO #digped #literacies #ds106: https://boffosocko.com/research/presentations/wordpress-and-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/1060535400316485632)
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aaronpk sknebel: it sends UDP packets lol
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Loqi aaronpk: sknebel left you a message 1 hour, 52 minutes ago: in what format does mediawiki produce edit notifications (e.g. those Loqi consumes)
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aaronpk with the text that shows up here
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@jgmac1106 Some resources and research on blogging across my #el30 and #IndieWeb networks: http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/11/08/some-resources-and-research-on-blogging-across-my-el30-and (twitter.com/_/status/1060538274652020736)
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sknebel aaronpk: uägs
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sknebel okay, polling it is for now. I guess we'll survive small delays
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sknebel (could also investigate the pubsubhubbub plugin
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sknebel we also forgot to decide how to handle Template:Homebrew_Website_Club
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Main_Page (+452) "/* Upcoming Homebrew Website Club meetups */ add next ones manually. please improve display to taste, will automate later" (view diff)
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sknebel (again the issue with "in Online")
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redaktor.me uploaded /File:equity_diversity_inclusion.svg "#equity #diversity #inclusion - adjacent Illustration for Code Of Conduct https://indieweb.org/File:equity_diversity_inclusion.svg"
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sl007 Zegnat sknebel - is it possible to add ti.to 's widget -> mw.loader.load() to MediaWiki:Common.js ? This would prevent the detour to the ti.to website …
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sknebel I don't think I have access to that, no need to ping individual people for general questions
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redaktor.me uploaded /File:fosdem.jpg "CC4.0 - wikimedia commons - Author: Geertivp https://indieweb.org/File:fosdem.jpg"
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@HeNeArXn ↩️ @jkphl @a11yclub @marcthiele @btconf @indiewebcamp @t @stefanjudis thanks for organizing what seems to be ALL THE THINGS! (twitter.com/_/status/1060560987173076993)
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sknebel oh interesting, @indiewebcamp being tagged in the photo doesn't trigger Loqi, but the response on twitter then puts it in text
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aaronpk blame twitter search :/
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sknebel okay, how do we best find event pages to handle. (new) Category:Meetup, or some name-based rules?
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aaronpk category feels like the right solution
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sknebel okay
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aaronpk since it's got good API access
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sl007 spoiler: spot indiewebcat
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www.svenknebel.de edited /events/2018-11-2nd-week-meetups (+7) "comment out CSS to hide edit links for now, since feedback and changes welcome for this example page" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ "Be able to share and discuss and publish from your own website and ideally from your own domain name in a way that is not adversely controlled by another company" @benwerd's #IndieWeb definition #el30 #mb (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/lHjwW) (twitter.com/_/status/1060581863549485057)
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@jgmac1106 "Intentionally it uses web technologies that are simple and lightweight design so any web developer who use HTML can get started in a day" #el30 #indieweb (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1WE53N) (twitter.com/_/status/1060582969545502721)
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@vahidm Discussing #indieweb at #el30, with @benwerd and @Downes, i'm thinking this connects back to the idea of every student building up their portfolio (but of course goes well beyond that). (twitter.com/_/status/1060582986599616512)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Interesting proposal from @indiewebcamp-Berlin to use "property" from RDFa and not "class" for microformats given the number of Bootstrap themese using u- and p- prefix #el30 (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/hTGrh) (twitter.com/_/status/1060584773620510720)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ @benwerd "Owning your own site means your voice can stick around" #el30 #indieweb (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1fsB9f) (twitter.com/_/status/1060585707679481857)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ now describing why people who don't care about data ownership could care about #IndieWeb. The first example is "career" don't let Facebook and LinkedIn control how you look. "You are trusting that they will be good stewards of your voice"… http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/11/08/benwerd-now-describing-why-people-who-dont (twitter.com/_/status/1060586212673622019)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ @downes brings up the mush of #indieWeb and finds all of the stuff stuck together. Asks how we separate them, @benwerd discusses the different post types and how you can build feeds and views and "split stream" #el30 (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/iJM6V) (twitter.com/_/status/1060587573154852866)
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@Downes My thanks to @benwerd Ben Werdmuller for a fascinating #el30 discussion of blockchain, indieweb and open source distributed web development - the video is now available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QM8mAX3cV0 (twitter.com/_/status/1060594204185935872)
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@jgmac1106 I could envision something like @manton's microblog being close to #IndieWeb learning environment I am hacking on with new ActivityPub. Each class spin up an instance, Connect at school, discipline level. Would need easy install/hosting but be fun. #mb (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1KsdNw) (twitter.com/_/status/1060608122946023424)
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gRegorLove should we bump LA to 2019 on /Planning? [chrisaldrich]
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[eddie] I was chatting with [eli_oat] today and we were discussing IndieWebCamp online. We were thinking about it being a melding of synchronous and asynchronous. The thought was some of the intro presentations could be pre-recorded and released at the start of the IndieWebCamp. Instead of having a "time-block" of say 4 hours where all the sessions take place, I'm wondering if (focusing completely on UX not on what tools/technology would actually allow
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[eddie] propose sessions and then people who are interested in the session can suggest times during a 1 day window, then the time that works for the most people becomes when that session happens.
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[eddie] So in that case, you might end up with a session that a bunch of people in CET are interested in happening while US people are still asleep
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[eddie] whereas a session where some CET and EST people are interested would be more at an appropriate time for both timezones
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[eddie] Does this seem completely insane? Or just something that would need to be figured out?
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sknebel interesting
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sknebel I think the latter :D
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[eddie] haha that's good to hear 😄
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[eddie] I think intros are definitely something that you want to be synchronous so everyone can get to know each other
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[eddie] I think demos could almost be asynchronous, except that might lead to 30 minute demos, so maybe synchronous is better for that to "wrap things up" together and keep things a bit more brief haha
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[eddie] Although asynchronous demos could be interesting in that people could post them on their own website
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[eddie] 🤔
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aaronpk having people record a demo is even more intimidating than doing a regular demo
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[eddie] ohhhh true
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[eddie] so synchronous is better for that because it's less pressure
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[eddie] that makes sense, because that's what I was thinking about the intros
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@producedbytobi ↩️ Thank you! High praise indeed from the crowned Queen of the Indieweb! #supportindiemusic #musichouruk #indiemusic #IndependentMusic (twitter.com/_/status/1060618482373611521)
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[eddie] From my memory I think I would define an IndieWebCamp as having these attributes. Anyone feel free to let me know if I missed anything (Kick-off Presentations, Intros, Session Planning, Sessions, Hack Day Kick-off, Projects and Demos)
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[eddie] Projects is defined as one or more people working on goals during Hack Day
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[jgmac1106] [eddie], I like that it is over a two day window and the session proposer publishes when they are running, helps out those in Australia and Asia
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[jgmac1106] We talked about a ZOOM account, maybe think about it from that perspective, try to do intros and demos live bu those could be either over irc or in chat?
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[jgmac1106] Also have done it this way where same topic happened in different time zones with different leads: https://k12onlineconference.org/
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[eddie] Ohhh interesting. That's good to hear that it has worked successfully in other areas jgmac1106!
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[eddie] Do we know what zoom is like bandwidth wise?
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[eddie] I know that's a big concern as far as conference tools that we use
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[jgmac1106] [eddie] also used this well
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[jgmac1106] https://unhangout.media.mit.edu/
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[jgmac1106] we can have one mumble room for @zegnat
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[jgmac1106] for session planning online [eddie] I might do that before the event to let people find out who is interested in what in which timezones, on hackday meyabe do some kind of game with checkins
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@janboddez Hoe meer ik erover lees, hoe interessanter het wordt, dat IndieWeb (en dat Fediverse). Self-hosted en toch open. (twitter.com/_/status/1060636304478748673)
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@Sebsel ↩️ Je hebt al een domein, dus je zit al een tijdje op het IndieWeb ;) Maar inderdaad! Je kunt er veel interessante dingen mee. Wees welkom! (https://5eb.nl/4xP2) (twitter.com/_/status/1060637884636692481)
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sebsel I have no idea why Brigdy publish decided to add a shortlink there, because I opted out of it, but maybe it detected that I was reaching out, so it made sure to point at my original post :P
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[manton] IndieWebCamp Austin is set. February 23-24. Hope y'all can make it.
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[eddie] manton++
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@_mumblings Testing IndieWeb username. Hi, @eli! (twitter.com/_/status/1060658908367339522)
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sknebel aaronpk: ^^^ things that are not obvious...
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aaronpk I thought we had updated the parsers to not try to interpret dates anymore
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sknebel VCP
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sknebel and the proposals went more in the direction of having them interpret more
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sknebel they're even helpfully converting the PM to 24 h syntax in this case
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sknebel not sure what to do with this. manually writing date markup is just... bad
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aaronpk Oh right
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sknebel we should have done a microformats issues session in Berlin
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Loqi yea
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