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herestomwiththeweather.com uploaded /File:austin_hwc_11_07.jpg "Austin Homebrew Website Club Meetup on 11-07-2018 https://indieweb.org/File:austin_hwc_11_07.jpg"
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herestomwiththeweather.com edited /events/2018-11-7-homebrew-website-club-austin (-38) (view diff)
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herestomwiththeweather.com edited /events/2018-11-7-homebrew-website-club-austin (+0) "/* What */" (view diff)
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[tantek] 2018-11-7 bugs me. Should that be 2018-11-07?
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[tantek] Shouldn't that be that is
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[tantek] Sknebel we did do a microformats issues session, led by Charlie
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[tantek] And that wiki edit has nothing to do with microformats, it's to do with a valid ISO Date, which tons of things depend on, from HTML5 to iCal
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[tantek] 2018-11-07 is not "date markup" - it's just a text date
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aaronpk yeah "2018-11-7" isn't really anything I would expect to see ever
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aaronpk nor would I expect anything to be able to parse it
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aaronpk like even outside of a microformats context
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herestomwiththeweather.com moved /events/2018-11-7-homebrew-website-club-austin to /events/2018-11-07-homebrew-website-club-austin
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-11-09.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@TechLifeWeb Can I push RSS or Atom into Known? That would let me PESOS from lots of places #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1060746466078154752)
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@RolandLegrand RT @Downes: My thanks to @benwerd Ben Werdmuller for a fascinating #el30 discussion of blockchain, indieweb and open source distributed web development - the video is now available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QM8mAX3cV0 (twitter.com/_/status/1060822016763269120)
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sknebel !tell tantek: that was very much announced as a session about a specific problem, not looking at existing old issues and cleaning them up? (e.g. around date parsing). and yes, it has to do with marking it up since I'm talking about parser output - you might be of the option that this case shouldn't be handled, but that doesn't make it not an issue of marking things up
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel (and microformats already accept values that aren't valid ISO, as pointed out above already)
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sknebel anyways, more interested in a solution (even if that is "people got to write proper ISO dates") than semantic quibbling
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GWG sknebel, I would agree with you. The Microformats list of issues doesn't get worked on often enough.
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sknebel luckily the date stuff doesn't hurt the most common cases (when you generate the HTML from datetime data, it's easiest to include a full ISO string and that just works), but with manual editing it comes up a lot and the various issues around it have been floating around a relatively long time
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@malcolmblaney finally added image rotation which I was going to work on at IndieWeb Summit..... :-D (twitter.com/_/status/1060850002220761088)
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mblaney hmmm that was meant to include my nicely rotated image ^^
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@malcolmblaney finally added image rotation which I was going to work on at IndieWeb Summit..... :-D #tryagain (twitter.com/_/status/1060860459920879616)
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swentel seems to have failed ;)
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mblaney haha swentel I fixed one problem but found another.... I shouldn't debug in public :-)
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petermolnar I don't always debug, but when I do, I do it in public
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4xQ4VHJs.jpg
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mblaney 😂
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mblaney putting bridgy delete to good use anyway...
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tantek.com edited /2018/Berlin/Organizers (-83) "-extra photos section" (view diff)
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[tantek] looks like room for two more photos in the newsletter
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Loqi [tantek]: sknebel left you a message 3 hours, 39 minutes ago: that was very much announced as a session about a specific problem, not looking at existing old issues and cleaning them up? (e.g. around date parsing). and yes, it has to do with marking it up since I'm talking about parser output - you might be of the option that this case shouldn't be handled, but that doesn't make it not an issue of marking things up
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[tantek] aaronpk, shall we add the IWC BER day 2 photo?
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[tantek] another thing we can do is make the Organizers meetup in to an actual h-event and have that photo show up too
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[tantek] thoughts?
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[tantek] (sknebel, fair, perhaps we can take the dates in microformats chat to #microformats )
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loqi.me created /web_manifest (+29) "prompted by [grantcodes] and redirect added by sknebel" (view diff)
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sknebel yeah, the generic microformats discussion clearly belongs there.
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sknebel I think it makes sense to have the organizers session as an actual event
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sknebel at least afterwards
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@jgmac1106 Okay today's #IndieWeb hack time draws to a close, I was able to add a footer with links to common tags. People noted I needed to make separate feeds easier to. Gonna add links to each post type on home page (tommorow's goal). I tried to edit the CSS of… http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/11/09/okay-todays-indieweb-hack-time-draws-to (twitter.com/_/status/1060917388475097089)
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@ibnesayeed The #centralization of power apparent in the Indian ₹ #demonetization highlighted the need for a #decentralized Web. A @WebSciDL #TripReport of @internetarchive's #DWebSummit 2018, @mozilla's #IndieWebCamp, and @protocollabs' #IPFS #LabDay. https://ws-dl.blogspot.com/2018/11/2018-11-08-decentralized-web-summit.html (twitter.com/_/status/1060928346132017155)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /2018/Berlin/Organizers (+110) "add h-event, p-name and dt-start" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+490) "add IWC Berlin Organizers meetup" (view diff)
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[tantek] sknebel++ looks good: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin/Organizers
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Loqi Organizers' Meetup Berlin 2018 https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1927/44772223055_5e120f5784_o.jpg
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[tantek] now let's see if the newsletter scripts handle a ' in the p-name 🙂
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@manton2 Dates set for IndieWebCamp Austin: https://www.manton.org/2018/11/09/dates-set-for.html (twitter.com/_/status/1060933167564099584)
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@ibnesayeed ↩️ /cc @CoryDoctorow @MikeJudge @vgcerf @brewster_kahle @timberners_lee @juanbenet @dietrich @t @edsilv @IPFSbot @MuleSoft @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/1060933206260793344)
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@xtof_party Les néobanques s’installent dans le paysage bancaire français: - Environ 1,5 million de comptes actifs – dont 85 % ouverts au sein de Nickel, Revolut, N26 - Plus d’un tiers (34 %) des nouveaux comptes en France ont été ouverts au cours du 1er semestre… https://indieweb.me/@xtof/101042181470640387 (twitter.com/_/status/1060934112431796225)
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@HongPong Reminder flickr is nuking everyone's photos. http://Indieweb.org host your own, don't trust "cloud" silos (twitter.com/_/status/1060950678091296770)
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www.svenknebel.de created /Organizers/event_pages/2018-11-2nd-week-meetups (+1093) "backup of example" (view diff)
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@ibnesayeed ↩️ /cc @narendramodi @CoryDoctorow @MikeJudge @vgcerf @brewster_kahle @timberners_lee @juanbenet @dietrich @t @edsilv @IPFSbot @MuleSoft @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/1060969641684750336)
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sknebel oh, prefix lost? hm...
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sebsel and an extra = in the title
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www.svenknebel.de deleted /2018-11-1st-week-meetups "content was: " __NOTOC__ __NOTITLE__ = IndieWeb Meetups for November 5-11, 2018 == == Wednesday, 7 == === events/2018...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Kaja.sknebel.net|Kaja.sknebel.net]]" ([[User talk:Kaja.sknebel.net|talk]])"
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www.svenknebel.de deleted /2018-11-2nd-week-meetups "content was: " __NOTOC__ __NOTITLE__ = IndieWeb Meetups for November 12-18, 2018 == == Tuesday, 13 == === events/2018...", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Kaja.sknebel.net|Kaja.sknebel.net]]" ([[User talk:Kaja.sknebel.net|talk]])"
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sknebel lets try that again
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sknebel its surprisingly slow, but I haven't really optimized the kind of api requests I do either
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sebsel sknebel++
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sknebel any clever ideas how to display virtual events?
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sknebel and/or how to recognize them?
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sknebel until now they had a "p-location" of "virtual" or so
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gRegorLove p-category=virtual?
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sknebel or a mediawiki category, good point
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sknebel e.g. they all are supposed to have Category:Meetups, maybe Category:Meetups/Virtual
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gRegorLove apparently I forgot location altogether on this one virtual, indie event, heh https://gregorlove.com/2018/10/virtual-homebrew-website-club/
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gRegorLove yeah, that sounds good too
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sknebel and then just show "virtual" where the location shorthand is needed (e.g. in the list on the front page, or on /Events)
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gRegorLove I just realized how appropriate that retro-HWC graphic is for the virtual events :)
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aaronpk I still think "Online" is a better word to use for the location, since "Online" is a noun whereas "Virtual" is an adjective
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sknebel hm
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gRegorLove I like that. Feels more approachable, too.
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sknebel alternatively some way to provide a short name, I kind of liked the Virtual EU / Virtual Americas labels
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sebsel is 'online' really a noun? 'the online'? sounds weird to me.
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sebsel But I agree that it's better as location
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sknebel not sure if location is the right term
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sknebel it's a shorthand, which typically is the location because that's the most useful to distinguish
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Zegnat “the virtual reality” (add footnote: “no, not second life”)
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aaronpk you're right, online is not a noun, so I dont know why "online" sounds right as a location but "virtual" does not
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aaronpk in any case, a MW category might be the better way to go here anyway
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Zegnat likes the category idea
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Zegnat Also because you get nice overview pages when you need them, curtesy of mediawiki
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sknebel the category doesn't solve the display problem
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sknebel it solves the "how does the automation know not to care about the location"
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-11-09.html
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sknebel but there still needs to be something in the list: "Indieweb meetups 2018-11-14: San Francisco, Portland, <...> <--somethign there
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aaronpk "online" still feels the best to me for that
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gRegorLove Did Julie take any GIFs at Berlin?
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sknebel the newsletter didn't find the leaders meeting?
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aaronpk ohh it was technically the previous week
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sknebel ah
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sknebel true
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aaronpk oh well
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sknebel gRegorLove: not the first day, and haven't seen any from the second
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sknebel hm, don't like online for some reason, but will go with it for now, since no clear better idea
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sknebel (p-nickname on an event to customize it? in a way that's what I want, but nickname is the wrong label too :D)
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aaronpk there's always "The Internet"
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gRegorLove On the internets
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sknebel again, doesn't have to be a location
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sknebel ah, ok, before I think it was p-locality. that seemed really wrong. p-location:"online" might be acceptable
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sknebel but also doesn't allow for the customization in the way the US one had
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@jgmac1106 Feel like watching the #el30 talk between @downes and @benwerd is a "http://Brid.gy Too Far" in The Caine-Hackman Theory in our #ds106 and #IndieWeb comparative case study. (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1PP7Pc) (twitter.com/_/status/1060996757293854720)
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[jgmac1106] <-- needs to go back and search his blog and create events for the VHWC's he ran
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@mrkrndvs @ianinsheffield I really like your reimagining of the traditional linear table of contents. I wonder what implication that this might have for something like the #IndieWeb ... https://collect.readwriterespond.com/thesis-abstract/ CC @jgmac1106 @wiobyrne (twitter.com/_/status/1061004438113079296)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-11-09.html
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-11-09.html https://t.co/3zphKHjADt (twitter.com/_/status/1061019367586979840)
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