#indieweb 2018-11-25

2018-11-25 UTC
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GWG jgmac1106, I took that project idea of yours.
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gRegorLove Even with the $5-$10 tickets for Summit the last few years, there was still higher no-show % than I would have expected. I forget the #, but it was around 30% I think.
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gRegorLove I don't know if aaronpk has analyzed/reported the no-show rate for /2018. Anecdotally it appeared a pretty high % showed up.
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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Loqi good morning
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jeremycherfas Morning.
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jgmac1106 !tell GWG what idea, I have so many, and so few are any good
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG jgmac1106: https://david.shanske.com/2018/11/24/2349/
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Loqi GWG: jgmac1106 left you a message 8 minutes ago: what idea, I have so many, and so few are any good
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Loqi [David Shanske] My latest website weather project? https://david.shanske.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/1543116213281-768x1024.jpg
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jgmac1106 awsome!! I am pulling my hair out trying to write media queries for css grud
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jgmac1106 grid*
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sknebel GWG: next step, stone webcam and image analysis?
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GWG Exactly
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cjwillcock good morning
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jeremycherfas Morning
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[jgmac1106] had a conversation about building a basic search engine would love thoughts: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/11/25/scoping-out-basics-of-indieweb-search
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas Hello zegnat
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[jgmac1106] Good morning zegnat
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jeremycherfas Wow. Useful Thanksgiving [jgmac1106]
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GWG Morning, Zegnat
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Zegnat Hello [jgmac1106], jeremycherfas, GWG :) Everyone having a nice weekend?
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[jgmac1106] Well I was on Death Star Destroyed (Park Place) and rolled snake eyes for Heroes Get Medals (Boardwalk) so it just got better
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Zegnat Hahaha
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Loqi hahahaha
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Zegnat Where is the liveblog of that game?
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GWG I am trying to figure out how to implement a proposed Micropub query
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kisik21 Hey, indieweb, how often do you test things in production?
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kisik21 I
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kisik21 I'm about to do this now :3
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kisik21 Wish me luck
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Zegnat kisik21, on my IndieWeb projects? Literally all the time :P
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[jgmac1106] ... Don't really do a staging server for my website just break and fix
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Zegnat Same here. And I try to test locally first, but some stuff is just too hard to test locally so I go live and find out about breakage later
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jgmac1106 <—has never done local development outside of the company…and even then I like developing in the cloud and seeing changes real time with other people
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snarfed testinginprod--
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Loqi snarfed: mblaney left you a message 6 days, 16 hours ago: can indiemap be queried to ask how many mf2 classes can be found on a page? h-feed for instance?
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Loqi testinginprod has -1 karma over the last year
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snarfed jgmac1106: you can have the best of both worlds with a separate staging/test site
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snarfed mblaney: sure!
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snarfed speaking of which...
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snarfed jgmac1106: re search, i assume you've seen eg https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/ ?
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kisik21 I'm testing my new micropub software, because my current solution (nanopub + git + ci script) is slow as... I don't know if we're allowed to swear here
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snarfed and https://indiemap.org/ ?
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Loqi Indie Map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset. 2300 sites, 5.7M pages, 380GB HTML with microformats2. Social graph API and interac...
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Zegnat “I don't know if we're allowed to swear here” ... I am now imagining Loqi berating people for swearing
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[jgmac1106] I love the indiemap, I think ton of work already done... Though I like the idea of an opt-in search engine
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[kevinmarks] Some things are tricky to test with staging (eg sending webmentions)
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kisik21 [jgmac1106]: I like it too! where could I opt in?
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[jgmac1106] Ha ha, doesn't exist, you are welcome to help build it. Especially need folks good with building blocks Need to cite indiemap in my scope post as it has almost everything
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kisik21 I wanna someone to crawl my site and all of the stuff I wrote!
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kisik21 The mere idea of it makes me excited
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[jgmac1106] Did you read my post?
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kisik21 link?
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[jgmac1106] We need volunteers for alpha testing
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[jgmac1106] Won't be until after New Year...Interns from company will work on it with us to learn their system. Usually handle data streams waaay bigger but gonna build our search engine to learn
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kisik21 jgmac1106: but just in case I hereby give you full permission to crawl my site for indexing, searching and related purposes! (btw anyone else can do it too, my site is robots.txt-free)
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[jgmac1106] https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/11/25/scoping-out-basics-of-indieweb-search
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kisik21 already found it and read
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kisik21 and it's totally cool!
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kisik21 And I was just thinking of gathering that data and making a recommendation engine, but I don't have any experience with projects so grand
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kisik21 but at least I could probably make a feed of posts tailored to categories you're liking most often with posts pulled out of a crawler database
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kisik21 The whole thing with like posts - this data can be easily aggregated and used in a recommendation engine
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kisik21 but I guess I'm not the first one to come up with that idea
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sl007 hello
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sl007 “an extraordinary attempt to hold the US social media giant to account after chief executive Mark Zuckerberg repeatedly refused to answer MPs’ questions.” https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/nov/24/mps-seize-cache-facebook-internal-papers
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[jgmac1106] The search engine core is open sourced, Blur now has some proprietary stuff not open sourced but exposes open apis and we hooks
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[jgmac1106] Web*
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[kevinmarks] I think Nick Clegg is going to be busy
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kisik21 Can I ask someone here to try to hack my site? I think I have a vulnerability but I need another person to check it...
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cjwillcock kisik21 -> in #dev
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kisik21 ok
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snarfed jgmac1106 (and kisik21 etc): re search again, if you want opt-in indieweb-only search, you'll probably also want to check out / cite google custom site search, with a manually curated list of opted in indieweb site domains. hard to beat that for crawling, functionality, ease of use, etc.
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kisik21 snarfed: is it implemented anywhere?
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snarfed kisik21: sure, tons of people and sites use google custom site search
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kisik21 I meant "indieweb-wide search portal w/ google custom search"
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kisik21 not just "custom search on your domain"
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kisik21 I use lunr.js on my blog and I'm pretty satisfied with it!
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snarfed no, there's no indieweb search engine yet. and yes, there are lots of options for single site search, like lunr.js! those are great.
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snarfed but if you all wanted a search engine for *many* sites, that regularly re-crawls, that's a huge project if you try to do it yourself. i'd highly recomend something like google custom search instead. no sense in reinventing that wheel. https://developers.google.com/custom-search/
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brandonkal Hello, I am new here and am looking for help adding h-card meta to my site.
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brandonkal Would having multiple h-card elements work? My site design has a vCard like element on the main page, which could work but the url points to /about/ rather than the home page. So for that I could make another h-card in the footer.
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kisik21 aaronpk: aperture and monocle don't see my new micropub endpoint. How to fix?
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aaronpk Monocle only discovers it when you log in so you'll have to log out and back in if you've changed anything
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kisik21 no logout button in monocle... do I need to erase cookies?
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brandonkal do multiple h-cards make sense and should the url be the root domain or is /about/ okay?
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kisik21 brandonkal: usually first h-card takes priority
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brandonkal so they are parsed as one object, so in the footer would be the best place to put it or does it only need to be on the homepage for webmention to work?
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aaronpk kisik21: ohh I must have lost the button in the last update. I think you can just visit /logout
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kisik21 aaronpk: also, is Quill mp-syndicate-to command broken? I can syndicate from curl but not from Quill
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kisik21 `curl https://fireburn.ru/cgi-bin/micropub.py -H $AUTH -d h=entry -d content=Syndicate -d mp-syndicate-to=https://brid.gy/publish/twitter` works, Quill with button doesn't.
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kisik21 I guess that goes into #dev...
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