#indieweb 2018-11-26

2018-11-26 UTC
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[jgmac1106] @brandonkal I do believe you would use u-uid in that case: http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-h-card-authoring for a representative h-card
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[eddie] 🙌 Just created my first two manual follow posts on my site so I could test out Bridgy Fed's Follow functionality
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[eddie] It notified the people that I am following them
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[eddie] And it worked!!
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[eddie] Next up, create a nice following page to display my follow posts
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snarfed [eddie]++ cool!
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Loqi [eddie] has 22 karma in this channel over the last year (77 in all channels)
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[eddie] snarfed++ Thanks for all the hard work!
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Loqi snarfed has 31 karma in this channel over the last year (107 in all channels)
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snarfed !tell jgmac1106,kisik21,cweiske i made a simple google custom search with the >2300 indieweb sites in indie map. seems to work pretty well! https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=001473925626342383772:izm-5gxypp4
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed well...it works ok. not entirely great...but ok.
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[tantek] bridgyfed++
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Loqi bridgyfed has 1 karma over the last year
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[eddie] And I have a following page! It's pretty simple (and essentially inaccurate) but it's there! Now I just have to fill in following posts for the people that I follow.
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[eddie] https://eddiehinkle.com/following
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[eddie] But when you put it in xray, it finds an h-feed of follow posts! http://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Feddiehinkle.com%2Ffollowing&pretty=true
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aaronpk snarfed++ whoa I never knew that was even a thing
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Loqi snarfed has 32 karma in this channel over the last year (108 in all channels)
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[eddie] Wow that search page is ... amazing. I searched Micropub and am finding micro.blog posts, a post from aaronpk's page, from calum ryan's page. Obviously lots of stuff from the wiki
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Zegnat “tantek”: About 56,200 results. “aaron”: About 10 results. I would have expected it to surface posts linking to those people, but it doesn’t really :(
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kisik21 Any alternatives to Indigenous on Android?
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Loqi kisik21: snarfed left you a message 6 hours, 59 minutes ago: i made a simple google custom search with the >2300 indieweb sites in indie map. seems to work pretty well! https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=001473925626342383772:izm-5gxypp4
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swentel does it need microsub too ?
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kisik21 Yes, both reader and poster. Can be separate apps. PWA/native, if PWA, should install as WebAPK
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swentel hmm not that I know of
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kisik21 Sad
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kisik21 How hard is Microsub to implement comparing to Micropub?
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swentel you could always try running monocle or together.io maybe, should work fine in a browser
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swentel depends, just reading is relatively ok
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swentel implementing the server is a bit more work of course
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swentel also, what 's the thing that bothers you with indigenous? always open to suggestions ;)
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kisik21 While Together works OK, it has a bug I hadn't filed yet where the feed could stop showing posts if you switch to another view
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kisik21 Indigenous sent my tags as a dictionary with numbers instead of a list. Could be a bug in previous Micropub endpoint in PHP.
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kisik21 Should I try it again?
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swentel tags has changed re: the micropub endpoint
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swentel let me get the issue
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swentel see https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/5
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Loqi [EdwardHinkle] #5 Query for Category/Tag List
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swentel we changed the response recently
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swentel hmm
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swentel wait
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swentel you actually mean posting ?
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swentel haven't actually tested that myself, let me see
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swentel hmm can't remember anymore how I posted it before, but don't think I changed the posting part
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swentel (posting still works on my endpoint though)
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kisik21 swentel: also emoji posting totally doesn't work!
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kisik21 I posted a note with emoji via Indigenous, and it was garbled when emojis were
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kisik21 and while I can understand that replacing 🍗 with <W is a bit logical, but the other replacement hinted that something was wrong. Quill posted emojis correctly though!
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swentel hmm could be an encoding thing, I don't deliberately change emoji's during posting
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swentel in fact I don't change anything at all
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swentel will check
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kisik21 and I'll give Indigenous another try
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kisik21 to become my ultimate IndieWeb app on Android
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swentel I've seen errors on even simple é on my endpoint
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swentel which is weird
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kisik21 incorrect Unicode handling.
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kisik21 Check your encoding.
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swentel yeah, it's 2018, you'd think you don't have to think about that anymore :)
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swentel you post in Cyrillic as well no ?
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swentel do those come through ?
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kisik21 Didn't try Cyrillic yet.
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kisik21 I usually post in English
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swentel ok, will do some tests tonight
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[Vincent] @kisik21 @swentel Can confirm I spotted Indigenous doesn’t encode Emojis correctly in to the sent JSON. For comparison, Quill encodes them in the sent JSON, then I turn them back in to emojis when I receive the JSON and save to a post. But when I send from Indigenous they are not encoded.
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[Vincent] Good morning IndieWeb btw!
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[chrisburnell] Good morning!
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swentel hmm indigenous doesn't send json, but I guess that's not the issue
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swentel opened an issue, will check tonight :)
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[jgmac1106] Thx snarfed++
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Loqi [jgmac1106]: snarfed left you a message 8 hours, 4 minutes ago: i made a simple google custom search with the >2300 indieweb sites in indie map. seems to work pretty well! https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=001473925626342383772:izm-5gxypp4
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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Loqi good morning!
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GWG Morning
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[jgmac1106] Woke up too late. Gonna have to try and 100 Day IndieWeb tonight... Wanted to ship a new flex box nav solution roday
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kisik21 swentel: JSON isn't supported on my end
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kisik21 swentel: was sent via Indigenous. Didn't set a tag and ate my chicken leg emoji!
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kisik21 Your client is too hungry, please tame its appetite
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kisik21 also "error getting configuration: null" when refreshing endpoints
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sknebel good morning
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sknebel micropub debugging is clearly -dev topic though!
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kisik21 ok!
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[jgmac1106] @gwg microblog should be a choice in the new publication flow you added to the syndication plugin, three choices, Twitter, microblog, github
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GWG [jgmac1106]: How would I do it though? The only way to publish to Micro.blog right now is to give it a feed.
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[jgmac1106] For microblog you need a Micropub client answer. The rss feed you add to WordPress shows up in your timeline you do not post it
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GWG [jgmac1106]: There is no answer to that I know of yet.
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[jgmac1106] No the answer has to be a Micropub client. Would take a WordPress plugin that acts as a bridge to the two
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GWG The only workaround is to have the action be adding it to a feed.
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GWG Yes, most likely
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GWG Though I suppose a Bridgy Publish webmention thing would work
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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GWG Micro.blog only supports Micropub for hosted blogs, I believe
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[jgmac1106] yeah, makes sense as a freemium upcharge. I give manton 5 bucks a month
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GWG I don't need hosting, so different problem
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GWG So the possible solution is that Syndication adds posts to a category that is the feed micro.blog subscribes to
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kisik21 aaronpk: Can I somehow squeeze Twitter feeds and notifications into Aperture & Monocle?
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[jgmac1106] That is how I do it now. I create a tag called microblog, and I added a feed for that tag in microblog
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GWG I just don't want it visible
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aaronpk kisik21: yep using https://granary.io is probably the easiest
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[dave] Aloha IndieWeb
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microgram Is there any app that combines microsub and micropub into one experience? Like together+micro.blog? What should these apps be called?
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[tantek] microgram, that's typically what social readers are already doing
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microgram So you're calling them social readers, not indie readers? What do you use, if you don't mind me asking?
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[tantek] what is a social reader
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Loqi A reader (AKA indie reader or social reader) in the context of the indieweb is the portion/feature integrated into an indieweb site that provides a way to read content from other indieweb sites, possibly including posts from the current site, and respond (like, comment, repost, etc) inline in the reading UI itself https://indieweb.org/social_reader
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[tantek] more there ^^^
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blundin blundin
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blundin good morning all! I'm brand new here and looking for some help with web sign in
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blundin I am trying to get it working on my site at https://brianlundin.com, but I've run into an issue i cant figure out. When I sign into indieauth.com web sign-in works, but other places, like micropub.rocks, dont find the rel="me" links in my page. Ive googled around quite a bit, but can seem to find an answer. any thoughts?
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sl007 blundin First idea: Can you try to set the link from your twitter profile to your page to "https"? It links to "http" currently.
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blundin done
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blundin sign in on indieauth.com does not work with Twitter, but does with GitHub (as before). On micropub.rocks it says it could not find authorization endpoint, token endpoint, or micropub endpoint
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snarfed blundin: thanks for the report! indieauth via twitter has been flaky, on and off, for a long time. if you have a working alternative like github, maybe stick with that for now.
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blundin But that only works when signing into indieauth. if i try to use web signin anywhere else, nothing sees my rel="me" tags.
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aaronpk Can you try https://indielogin.com? That's the new one
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blundin For example, http://xray.p3k.io//rels?url=https://brianlundin.com/ shows no rel tags, but if you look at page source they are clearly there in the visible footer of the page
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blundin @aaronpk that worked through GitHub, not Twitter
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aaronpk are you using cloudflare
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blundin I'm using AWS cloudfront
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donpdonp something is odd with whatever is serving your page
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donpdonp curl https://brianlundin.com/ outputs gzip data
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donpdonp firefox seems to understand it and unzip it, but curl is not and my guess is xray is not either, which is why the data is empty {}
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blundin It's an S3 static site through cloudflare
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blundin okay, that makes sense. let me do some digging. thanks everyone!
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[jgmac1106] donpdonp++
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Loqi donpdonp has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (95 in all channels)
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donpdonp whats really odd is the response says "content-encoding: gzip" so i would expect curl to unzip it
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sl007 I think it is not about gzip, that should be supported - just do curl --compressed https://brianlundin.com/
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donpdonp hmm ive never used that flag before and it seems unlikely this is the first gzip'ed site ive come across.
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donpdonp could it be that flag forces uncompress, covering up whatever header error or what haveyou is keeping the 'regular' curl call, and xray, from gunzip'ing
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sl007 the flag is just a shorthand "Request a compressed response using one of the algorithms libcurl supports, and save the uncompressed document. If this option is used and the server sends an unsupported encoding, curl will report an error."
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sl007 but "gzip" is nice in terms of https://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/Datensparsamkeit.html …
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aaronpk Anyone here going to AWS re:invent this week? Myself and cleverdevil will be there and were gonna try to do an impromptu HWC Vegas!
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GWG Sorry, I'm going to Disneyworld.
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[cleverdevil] \o/
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[cleverdevil] Thursday evening works the best for me.
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Zegnat donpdonp, there is a problem with the way several indieweb tools fetch pages where a server may decide to send compressed responses that are unparsable by the tools.
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Zegnat Interestingly almost nobody seemed affected by it, but you are now the second in a week’s time
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Zegnat Oh, sorry, that should have been aimed at blundin!
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blundin Hey folks, there was something messed up with the compression. When I turned compression off i could login on multiple sites. I'm not sure why only indieauth.com and indielogin.com handled it compressed the way it was
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blundin Gotcha, that seems to be the case. I've tried to fix this off and on for a few months, so it has been an active issue for a while then
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Added Locally Stored Webmentions" https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/11/26/13/article/
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[eddie] 😞 Something is wrong with my image in that post
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[eddie] Haha, I was editing the post to add a fixed image url and saw the mentions folder and thought "no way, this couldn't have already received a webmention"
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[eddie] Sure enough. Haha nice test, snarfed! Pretty awesome, it all works so quickly now I thought it must have been broken!
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snarfed [eddie]++
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Loqi [eddie] has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (78 in all channels)
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snarfed oh btw also [eddie] just fyi there's HTML showing in your 404 page. eg https://eddiehinkle.com/asdf
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Loqi Eddie Hinkle
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[eddie] That's not right! lol thanks for the heads up
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donpdonp looking up the google hits for content encoding and curl was a wild ride. no idea is was so confusing
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donpdonp blundin: it looks like the root problem is your old setup always returned gzip where best practices is to only return gzip when the request includes "Accept-Encoding: gzip"
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[eddie] Ah, there we go. Fixed! Thanks snarfed
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Zegnat donpdonp, very much a discussion for #indieweb-dev, you’ll also find I did a bit of an info dump there with links to known indieweb issues :)
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blundin Thanks @donpdonp!
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