#indieweb 2018-11-27

2018-11-27 UTC
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tomasparks yay I got my own domain name :)
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tomasparks early birthday present
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snarfed tomasparks++ congrats!
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Loqi tomasparks has 3 karma over the last year
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snarfed unrelated...bad news everyone, backfeed for instagram likes may be dead. :( https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/851#issuecomment-441869468
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snarfed ideas are welcome!
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Loqi [snarfed] ruh roh. seems like instagram may have dropped individual likes from the web entirely. if you're logged out and open a profile page, eg , and hover over photos, you can see a _count_ of likes...but if you actually open one, eg https://www.instagram.c...
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gRegorLove crowdfund buying Instagram? :)
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gRegorLove It's a bummer when stuff like that breaks because I feel like backfeed is a really good selling point for some people on indieweb.
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gRegorLove Though comments are probably more important than likes
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[jgmac1106] But you can never sell on someone else's stack, especially Facebook. Will burn you eventually. I fear end of backfeed sooner then we think.
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[jgmac1106] Though I never Instagrammed. I should probably see if I made an account and shut it down.
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cjwillcock good morning
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cjwillcock i switched from slack to IRC -it stays logged in all day
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cjwillcock now I'm not sure if I should say good morning anymore
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GWG cjwillcock: That's how I get here.
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GWG cjwillcock: Is it the start of your visiting chat day?
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[jgmac1106] What is ugt?
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Loqi Universal Greeting Time is the convention of greeting people in online chat with "good morning" regardless of the local time of day of either person https://indieweb.org/UGT
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cjwillcock um, yes it is!
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cjwillcock weird because I had time to check in through the day in spare minutes, but only now time to say, good mornig
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cjwillcock it fits
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gRegorLove [jgmac1106], I'm referring more to the barrier of "all my friends are on X" I think it's a selling point to let people know they can POSSE to Twitter or Facebook and get their friend's comments backfed
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gRegorLove Used to be decent FB backfeed via Bridgy, but now FB killed that, so getting someone off FB is going to be harder without getting all their FB friends off as well.
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gRegorLove Similarly, today it's Instagram likes, will it be comments in the future?
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gRegorLove I could be over-estimating the impact. I'm just thinking of people who may not be die-hard on the "own your content" wagon already.
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gRegorLove o/ morning cjwillcock
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jgmac1106 I get that, I hang alone, though my sister got see how easy it is now, so maybe we can reach people.
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jgmac1106 Especially if facebook keeps using tactics like hiring firms to spread anti-semitic memes to intimidate Congress
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jgmac1106 My question is what will it take to make people look for an Instagram escape hatch? If this isn’t enough…I worry about much more than a backfeed
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jgmac1106 I just think all the spigots will be turned off regardless eventually, here is to hoping for data portability and a system of constant downloading to posse, doubtful, but really stoked on getting back to the web, so bonus
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j12t Has there ever been an IndieWeb-related event in Japan?
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Zegnat j12t, not that I can recall offhand
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j12t Zegnat: anybody we know there? :-)
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Zegnat I see 1 Asia/Tokyo on /chat-names
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Zegnat I don’t personally know anyone there
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aaronpk oh no I will be so sad about losing instagram likes
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jacky jgmac1106: it's borderline psychological and hive-mind-y
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jacky people would have to see something violent that occurs when they use instagram before they leave
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jeremycherfas I just read that 20% of posts on Instagram are ads. That drive me away from the app, but there is a lot to do in order to see your stream in a browser.
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Zegnat Slots 2, 6, 11, 19, are ads for me on my current Instagram home feed.
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Zegnat So 1 in every block of 5 posts holds up...
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Zegnat (didn't bother scrolling further.)
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jeremycherfas Data!
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[jgmac1106] https://youtu.be/71yb2D1En50
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snarfed phew, instagram likes backfeed is back
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swentel kisik21, pushed a new release for Indigenous. Emoji's will work fine now :) (at least in the limited testing I've done)
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kisik21 swentel: can't post posts with tags. Just can't. Currently investigating the issue.
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swentel you mean emoji's in tags ? or tags just don't come through at your endpoint
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swentel fwiw, justed tested here, works fine, even emoji in tags :)
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GWG swentel, how's the Indigenous development going?
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swentel GWG, just released UTF-8 support, and a micropub spec fix too
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swentel other than that, slow :)
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GWG swentel, I saw
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kisik21 Nope, tags dont work
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kisik21 swentel: can you make a build which would show me server I/O? Would be easier than adding logging, since I have nice tracebacks and stuff in the output
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swentel not in 10 minutes no
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kisik21 Time is not a constraint for me
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swentel I do think that simply adding a dump of the post request would make it faster though ;)
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kisik21 Yes, that would also help
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swentel well, at your endpoint I mean
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kisik21 Yeah
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kisik21 would be nice too
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kisik21 Well, then I'll be pushing stuff
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GWG I have a location question for everyone. If I automatically show the time using the local offset when location is set, should I still show it when location is stored but hidden?
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GWG It's a privacy type question
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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Loqi greetings human
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GWG Morning jgmac1106
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GWG Loqi, greetings robot
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[jgmac1106] I would hide it if location is hidden. Whtmat would be point knowing gwg was somewhere at 16:32?
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[jgmac1106] Spending this morning redoing the media queries on my follow page so I can ship a "roll call" page in the IndieWeb template today
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GWG Jgmac1106, it just changes the display time from Eastern Standard to local
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GWG So, someone would know what timezone I was posting from
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GWG Not what city
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Zegnat That’s an interesting question GWG. I feel this might also be where you want granular control of how accurate of a location you share. (See discussion at IWC Nürnberg.) E.g. maybe the default is to publicly share country, therefor local timestamp is fine.
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Zegnat If someone choses not to even share that, then I would expect you should also use the website’s default timezone rather than localised
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GWG Zegnat, Eastern is my default timezone
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GWG I have 3 location settings
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GWG Public, Private, and Protected
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GWG Protected is textual description only
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GWG This question is, if I say that the location is private, should I still change the timezone display?
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GWG Or is that too much leakage of info?
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GWG I don't think so, but I have users
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Zegnat If the location is private, and you are only switching timezones based on locations, than don’t switch timezone. Is my first feeling.
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat Gets more tricky if you actually allow things like a "published" dt value from the micropub client. That could also have a localised timestamp. Do you normalise it back to the default timezone? Do you keep it?
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Zegnat (Maybe you don’t support it, but I do, so something I am now thinking about)
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Zegnat good morning jeremycherfas :)
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jgmac1106 why not make the entire post private?
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GWG jgmac1106, that's a different question
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GWG Zegnat, I do add published date with the offset
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jgmac1106 sorry scrolled up, now I see
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GWG But only if the timezone offset is set a
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jgmac1106 it ain’t pretty, but it’s responive: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/following.html now to port it over to course template for class roll
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GWG Which is currently not automatic, but debating making it so
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jeremycherfas Hoping to get back to my Geo posts in Grav today. But first I need to work out why everything is frozen in treacle today. Which usually means reboot.
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jgmac1106 eventually I need to redo each following card and use flexbox embedded in a grid to make even prettier cards but this will do
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viaken GWG: Good luck with Parkeology! Have fun.
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GWG En route now
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Zegnat Have fun GWG!
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GWG Using the in plane map to manually get altitude and location for a post
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/2018/11/27/2357/
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Loqi [David Shanske] I wish my site could generate this automatically. https://david.shanske.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/1543321329500-576x1024.jpg
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GWG And we have altitude
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[jgmac1106] !tell jackjamieson here is a citation for the vita: McVerry, J.G., Jamieson, J. (2018). Open Pedagogy: Comparative Case Study of #indieweb and #ds106. A Paper presented at the 68th conference of the Literacy Research Association, Palm Springs, CA. finishing up paper now...need to pick journal for when it is done
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cjwillcock good morning
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[jgmac1106] good morning cj, the download browser history extension looks awesome!! Can't wait to implement
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cjwillcock thanks jgmac1106! It did seem like a gap so I'm glad to see some interest in what I made there.
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[kevinmarks] if you use a gps app and put your phone right up to the window cna you get altitude?
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[jgmac1106] No, GPS I believe requires a radio signal. Doesn't work over wifi I believe
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[jgmac1106] [cjwillcock] I want to do an auto ethnography of my learning. Wish I had my browser data from 2011 when I first started playing heavily with html/css
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[jgmac1106] When we did our research comparing assessment on simulated web versus open web would have been clutch... Betcha lot of academic researchers would want it
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cjwillcock super cool jgmac1106 - this tool should fit!
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cjwillcock I have this little idea to auto-post to my blog, my forays into wikipedia -drafts for moderation anyway.
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cjwillcock It still needs some investment of time - but I have a bunch of data to work with now after 4+ months of tracking my browsing
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[jgmac1106] We have connections to Wikipedia, @iamjessklein is their senior UX designer, busy redoing mobile editing now but long term have hopes of some kind of indielogin that either sends a webmention when someone edits a page, or a Micropub client to post a note recording the edit....
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[jgmac1106] Of course that would require buy in from many many people... But we can hope
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petermolnar re Zegnat, sknebel: https://blog.haschek.at/post/f2fda
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jeremycherfas petermolnar interesting read. I do dislike it hen people do not date their posts.
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petermolnar "Posted on 2017-07-05"
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jeremycherfas I couldn't see that. Let me look again.
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jeremycherfas Oh god. Right. I guess I am permanently banner-blind.
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petermolnar :D
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Zegnat petermolnar: now please follow it up with an article on how to configre curl so this doesn’t kill your server when looking for a webmention endpoint ;)
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petermolnar I'm confused, did you take down my server? :)
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petermolnar or did it put you on a ban list?
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Zegnat No, i mean the gzip bomb. Let me head to dev.
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kisik21 granary.io's Instagram integration returns HTTP 429. snarfed, are you the maintainer? is the issue known?
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snarfed kisik21: that's instagram's rate limiting. 429 is sadly the correct HTTP response. not much i can do.
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kisik21 what is the rate limit?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rate limit" yet. Would you like to create it?_ (Or just say "rate limit is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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kisik21 I mean, how much?
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snarfed it's web scraping, not API, so they don't disclose a number
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snarfed and we expect it's per IP, or combination of signals, not just per user or feed
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kisik21 I just found out about granary and it's awesome, so I'm building a channel of "friends on silos" that shows my combined feed on every silo except VK
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snarfed if you want to plug your feed into a reader, you may prefer https://instagram-atom.appspot.com/ . not as rate limited, easier to use, and gives you your whole feed instead of just individual profiles
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kisik21 (VK is the most popular russian social network)
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snarfed (also see the other *-atom services linked at the bottom)
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snarfed ooh and if you know python, i'd love to get VK added to granary! feel free to jump in and add it!
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kisik21 OOOOH
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kisik21 Python is my go-to language for stuff
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kisik21 Awesome!
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kisik21 I think I'll look at it
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snarfed step by step instructions: https://bridgy.readthedocs.io/#adding-a-new-silo , just ignore the bridgy parts
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1067422159033659392?s=19
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@carolecadwalla Lord Allan: "We can't turn the internet off." @DamianCollins: "The internet is not Facebook." Final words. Hearing over. Pretty much sums it up. (twitter.com/_/status/1067422159033659392)
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