#indieweb 2018-12-09

2018-12-09 UTC
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jacky evening indieweb
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jgmac1106 gRegorLove getting my podcasts onto archive.org was so easy and looks so nice as a page: https://archive.org/details/2toPonder
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jgmac1106 hey jacky
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[kevinmarks] you can hotlink archive.org mp3s
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[kevinmarks] hi jacky, how's coding?
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[jgmac1106] yeah doing all that now
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jacky time to catch up on https://myurlis.com/
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jacky coding never stops!
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jacky been looking/reading more AP stuff
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jacky I kinda see why people don't like JSON-LD but also ActivityStreams is pretty cool
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jacky def need more client libs for this kind of stuff
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jacky would enable more people to build things
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[kevinmarks] Activity Streams did have a lot of distillation from multiple social networks, but we dropped the ball on keeping that documented well
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[kevinmarks] AS2 drifted a bit further from that into well-meaning abstraction
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jacky word
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jacky looking at it tho; it'd make more sense for it to be something that MicroPub aligns with
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jacky might be just reading into it too deeply or too loosely lol
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[kevinmarks] granary is good at doing that empirically
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KartikPrabhu what is ActivityPub?
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Loqi ActivityPub is a decentralized social networking protocol (W3C Recommendation) briefly known as ActivityPump, based on pump.io and ActivityStreams https://indieweb.org/ActivityPub
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[kevinmarks] snarfed has done the due diligence on mapping there
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jacky true
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jacky didn't want to have a SPOA on snarfed tho lol
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[jgmac1106] kevinmarks++ thanks for the tip on hotlinking...was trying to figure out what I was doing wrong
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Loqi kevinmarks has 14 karma in this channel over the last year (31 in all channels)
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[kevinmarks] a lot of the original Activity Streams work was driven by people actively working on interop, like Gnip - granary still does that
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GWG Does moving my feed off the main page of my site constitute something for the calendar?
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kisik21 Look at this post, it's awesome! https://fireburn.ru/note/1544324300/
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kisik21 and it's
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kisik21 gone
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kisik21 I've successfully implemented 410 Gone on my website
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[eddie] Haha I love the “presumably forever” part
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kisik21 isn't that the whole point of 410?
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kisik21 like, the server doesn't know, but the server knows that it WAS there and not it is not!
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kisik21 s/not/now/
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kisik21 the actual post is saved in my DB though, so I can restore it.
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kisik21 oh wait
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kisik21 I don't have a DB
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[jgmac1106] @gwg if in doing so you fixed the feed for anyone else using your theme, then yes
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GWG Technically
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[eddie] Yeah, if it fixed it for anyone using your theme and it is freely available to them (meaning the code has been pushed up to its distribution point) then I agree
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GWG Fixed is relative. Anyone doing what I'm doing, yes
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kisik21 sorry to people trying to browse my site, it is down
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kisik21 I'm fixing it
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jonnybarnes do I have voice?
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jonnybarnes ah, thanks Loqi
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel good morning!
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[jgmac1106] Good morning. Busy Sunday
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Zegnat Very busy Sunday
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jgmac1106 back to trying to finish updating my podcast page….getting so close to finishing migration tasks
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jgmac1106 though this is mundane and easy work…the kind of two hour taslk that will take me two dats
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jgmac1106 days*
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[tonz] [jgmac1106] looks/reads good to me.
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[jgmac1106] thanks, I found proposal after will update today to match....shared in the weareopen.coop and some CreativeCommons channels...people weirdly excited about proposal....guess I need to do it now
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jgmac1106 https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/12/09/following-people-or-feeds-in-the-indieweb-mb-dooo-edtechchat thoughts
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Loqi [Greg McVerry] Following People or Feeds in the #IndieWeb #mb #DoOO #edtechchat #literacies
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jgmac1106 -understood I was being kind of snarky with “: yes you can have my stuff, but you can’t be on my server, run your own” which is basically how a website works…interesting to watch the same discoverability debate happen on Mastodon as new communities leave platforms
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jgmac1106 twitter users want it to be Twitter, G+ users, G+ and now Tumblr users…and then you build up a following and friends….and the idea of redoing all that work somewhere else just sounds so unappealling
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[tonz] discoverability, yes, it’s a bit odd. I’ve always approached it as triangulation, not as searching or getting suggestion. When I come across someone I check who they’re following, and who’s following them. And from that transverse the social graph. Much like I did perusing blogrolls in the early ’00s. The only exception is during events, when I’ll try to find others at the event (through # on twitter e.g.), and take it from there.
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[tonz] So my current Mastodon list is a completely diff set of people from my twitter follower list.
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[tonz] As it started with different people, from which I transversed their follower lists
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jgmac1106 reminds me I have more screen shots of how user discoverability works on Tumblr,…it is a good model….except for the duplication of reblogged posts in my feed in tight communities
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jgmac1106 [tonz] my mastodon followers are turning out to be the same Twitter crowd.,,..twice the work for the same audience…trying to change it up and do different content, poetry and art and weird weeby stuff there
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jgmac1106 but just going and finding all the why rss and feeds suck from 2004-2006 as we build social readers and I have already failed at building my feeds…have people I want to follow, forget to add, etc…need to follow people not feeds but follow people and NOT all their feeds
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cjwillcock good morning
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doubleloop I think I prefer discoverability by topic, rather than by people
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doubleloop And the former also leads to the latter
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doubleloop It would be great if Mastodon implemented groups
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jgmac1106 @doubleloop I am going to add three topics to my h-hard…keep meaning to, but its finals week
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[tonz] @doubleloop for me it works in triangles, https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2006/07/social_software/ but my reading/navigation is people centered
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Loqi [Ton Zijlstra] Social Software Works In Triangles
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indiewindy Information overload is a UI problem - not a problem with the number of feeds, firehouse feeds, or amount of information. People post too often? Group feed by author. Spend too much time organizing your channels? Use one channel and search by tag or group by tag.
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indiewindy Also strongly disagree with Greg's suggestion of people having multiple feeds. It's a mess when everyone has different feeds on their website, instead of one canocical firehouse that can be sorted later.
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aaronpk subscribe to my firehose and come back and we can talk about it again ;-)
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[jgmac1106] if you subscribed to [aaronpk] @chrisadrich and my firehose you would be getting well over 100 posts a day....nobody wants that...but nobody wants to work...I think by saying these are my suggested feeds I am helping to reduce friction some
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indiewindy So, I filter my single feed by notes, checkins, articles, photos, videos, and audio. Further, I group by author. So in my feed, when you post a stream of checkins, it shows your name, photo, and then a list of a bunch of checkins in one group. Further, if I filter by "notes" most of your checkins are excluded because they lack content.
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indiewindy It's a UI problem
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indiewindy Reading youre firehose isn't really an issue for how my feed is setup
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indiewindy My bigger issue is a bunch of authors I follow don't have a way of identifying a canonical feed of all their updates.
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[jgmac1106] for my family though I want one feed of just our photos..so many of my photos are screenshots, technical slides, etc, I do add a tag....my family would never say i want to follow Greg but let me sort through his post types, select only photos, then select only phots with X tag
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[jgmac1106] but if I say want a feed of family photos "Click Here" they may...if I get them off Instagram
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indiewindy yeah I get that. I guess my point is just with the canonical feed stuff. Right now it's impossible to automatically follow many mf2 authors because they link to mroe than feed.
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[jgmac1106] I mean when I am teaching you want every single reply post I make to close to ninety students?
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indiewindy Well in my feed it's grouped. So if you made 90 replies I don't see a list of 90 posts...
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[jgmac1106] yeah...thus the quandry...how do we reduce the friction, allow for customization, but not recreate the mistakes RSS and feed following made]
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indiewindy I see 1 post.
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[jgmac1106] Using inoreader myself...for some weire reason I see two of every post.....excited to try new reader next semester
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aaronpk indiewindy: do you have screenshots of that you can share? also what software is this? is it documented on the wiki yet?
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aaronpk would be worth adding examples to https://indieweb.org/reader if this is something you're actively using
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indiewindy aaronpk: I'm hoping to put it online next week, and I'll add it to the wiki of course. It's a combined microsub/micropub webapp that works offline.
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indiewindy also has publishing features... kind of like micro.blog but explicitly using mf2/microsub/micropub/webmentions.
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aaronpk sounds great, can't wait to see it
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indiewindy Thanks for all your work on indieweb! The wiki has been super valuable.
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[jgmac1106] get yourself up on /chat-names indiewindy so people can find you
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cjwillcock indiewindy++
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Loqi indiewindy has 1 karma over the last year
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[eddie] Sounds very cool, indiewindy! I am really interested in seeing more info next week!
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Lavos https://www.facebook.com/R4nCorE/posts/10207423255687886
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KartikPrabhu spam ^
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