#indieweb 2018-12-21

2018-12-21 UTC
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[jgmac1106] As long as people can add classes to HTML reliability anyone can use the tools but any thing that gets people online is great
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[alexbayleaf] you know what i miss? blog discovery via tags on posts.
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[jgmac1106] Love to chat about your use of nonprofit themes and things
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[alexbayleaf] i don't use existing nonprofit themes (much)
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[jgmac1106] I am using Give like everyone else.. Btmut we should head to /WordPress
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[alexbayleaf] i don't think themes should be vertical-specific. keep the functionality in plugins!
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[jgmac1106] Never thought that way interesting
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[alexbayleaf] oh boy, do i have a rant for you
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[alexbayleaf] a wordpress theme should do nothing but the display layer. keep the content, structure, and functionality separate.
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[alexbayleaf] otherwise you get locked in to a theme - you can't switch because your theme contains the thing that drives your portfolio, or your restaurant menu, or your charity subscription/donation pages.
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[alexbayleaf] that's basic web development practice. but so many themes (ESPECIALLY those from themeforest, ugh ugh ugh) break it.
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[jgmac1106] #wordpress channel then
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[alexbayleaf] inexperienced users think "yay a theme with heaps of features" but it's a terrible idea
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Loqi 😊
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[alexbayleaf] ha ha yeah
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[alexbayleaf] well that's really the whole rant
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[alexbayleaf] i'm gonna make a note to blog about it though 😉
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[jgmac1106] .. Yeah reason post kinds uses taxonomies so custom post types do not theme lock you... Bad themes is reason we need our own themes bc reliability inserting microformats2 into HTML impossible
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[jgmac1106] And random plugin developers love to write the funniest of functions
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[jgmac1106] Lot of cool theme, and theme framework, developing going on write now
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[jgmac1106] Right*
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kisik21 I have reply contexts working!
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[kevinmarks] Excellent!
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[jgmac1106] Good morning all
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[jgmac1106] kisik21++
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Loqi kisik21 has 12 karma in this channel over the last year (19 in all channels)
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GWG Morning
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Loqi greetings human
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petermolnar greetings, citizen
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sl007 Migrating to U7 - Reason: https comes built in for anything https://manual.uberspace.de/web-security.html
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[cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb 🙂
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[cleverdevil] Also: happy holidays!
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aaronpk why did I switch to showing the full contents of blog posts on my site?
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aaronpk hm i guess it's fine for my shorter posts, especially when they are in tag pages
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aaronpk but i'm annoyed with the presentation of https://aaronparecki.com/articles now
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aaronpk and people accidentally share my fragment ID permalinks instead of clicking through to the actual blog post permalink :/
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mlncn ah, yeah, the table of contents is cool but now people have the 'wrong' URL
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aaronpk yeah i think i want to swtich to just the title and featured image in that view
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aaronpk maybe just for the "articles" page, but leave the tag pages alone
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mlncn short of re-writing the site as one-page application that gives the same experience of the table of contents but uses the canonical URLs, sounds good :-)
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aaronpk actually that's not a bad idea
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mlncn i'm imagining it instantly taking you 'down' to the article like it does now, loading the below-the-fold portion of the article, but if you were to link there directly it would not load the whole list, just enough of the above and below article to allow scrolling... but i'm not going to acknowledge anything i say as not a bad idea :-P
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aaronpk i was thinking a relatively small change which is that when one of the table of contents items is clicked, it literally just scrolls the page down but then also updates the URL in the address bar to the real permalink
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mlncn That's... definitely a better idea!
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mlncn For h-entry markup, the p-author does not *have* to be an embedded h-card, right? If the URL goes to a page with the complete h-card? OK in that case it would use u-author and not p-author i think.
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mlncn Is the embedded h-card really as vastly preferable to a linked one?
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aaronpk correct, details are on https://indieweb.org/authorship
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mlncn I guess my question really is, what is the href expected to be in an embedded, anchor tag h-card?
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aaronpk no, still canonical url of the author
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mlncn In this case it will be a link to a profile on our company site, not to our individual web pages, so i don't want to be implying the link is someone's identity
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mlncn ahhh, but if i do u-author it's *still* supposed to be the canonical URL of the author. Hmm.
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aaronpk just think of it like if you saw this post in a reader, where would you expect to end up if you clicked the profile photo?
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mlncn yep read through https://indieweb.org/authorship and https://indieweb.org/h-card and still had these questions :-)
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aaronpk like how the twitter app shows who wrote the tweet, and if you click it, you end up on their profile page and can see all their tweets
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mlncn If i'm reading an article in a newsmagazine, say, i expect it to link to their profile hosted on that publication, not for it to go to their personal site
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aaronpk that seems like a reasonable answer then
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mlncn same on most company or cooperative blogs
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aaronpk then do that :)
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mlncn i feel like by the terms of h-card i'm stealing our own identities though!
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aaronpk it's pretty common that people treat their profile on a company blog different from their personal web page though, sounds fine to me
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mlncn needs to get comfortable with parallel identities
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mlncn Has anyone written about indieweb ideas not being about making someone have a single identity? E.g, having more than one personal domain? But what i'm doing here is more about 'that's me on my company site' just like 'that's me on that silo social network' i guess
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mlncn oh there it is, from the homepage: https://indieweb.org/multi-site_indieweb
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aaronpk yeah none of this makes any assumption or requirement that someone has just one website
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: regarding toc, if you dynamically update the URL on scrolling down to reflect the permalink won't future fragment clicks be broken?
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aaronpk they wouldn't be fragment links anymore since the JS would be taking over handling of those clicks
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KartikPrabhu oh
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jacky kisik21++
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Loqi kisik21 has 13 karma in this channel over the last year (20 in all channels)
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jacky kisik21: nice work with reply contexts! I wanna get that going for koype soon
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aaronpk actually the other "easy" way to handle this would be to also remove the DOM elements for the other posts on the page
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jacky what do people use to handle syndication?
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jacky I almost considered writing something to post summary + link (+ photos) to twitter and Mastodon but I'm sure someone's using something
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jacky what is syndication
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Loqi syndication may refer to the practice of syndication (like practicing POSSE to ownyourdata), a specific copy or instance of syndication, or the u-syndication property https://indieweb.org/syndication
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aaronpk bridgy publish is pretty popular :)
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jacky of course lol
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jacky snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 37 karma in this channel over the last year (117 in all channels)
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aaronpk or so i'm told
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jacky yeah I'm going to use that
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jacky webmention and micropub was cool to build
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jacky but syndication is a whole different hurdle lol
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aaronpk yeah dealing with the twitter API isn't really fun
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jacky I wouldn't be overly surprised if they took a whole Instagram approach in 2020 tbh
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aaronpk yeah :/
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jacky hm so random
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jacky probably extra / me avoiding work lol
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jacky actually lemme just draft it into longer term on my wiki page
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snarfed jacky: lmk if you have any q's about bridgy publish!
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jacky will do!
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jacky https://indieweb.org/User:Jacky.wtf#Syndication_Detection
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jacky tl;dr: mf2 for finding out what targets a site can send to so one could pragmatically load them into their site's setup
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jacky s/pragma/program/g
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jacky or just dynamically tbh
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snarfed jacky: afaik most people currently do that with a micropub query
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sknebel sounds dev-y
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[kevinmarks] @mlncn let people add external links (with rel=me) to their profiles on your site
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mlncn [kevinmarks] yes exactly. And vice versa, yes, if they decide from their personal site to count their profile on the group site as one of their online identities?
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jacky anyone using plus codes (https://github.com/google/open-location-code) on their site?
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Loqi [google] open-location-code: Open Location Code is a library to generate short codes that can be used like street addresses, for places where street addresses don't exist.
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[tantek] Is even Google bothering to use "plus codes"? E.g. any evidence of use in Google Maps, Google Earth, etc.?
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[tantek] if it's a dogfoodfail, I'd say it was ignorable
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aaronpk google maps shows them now
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tttt mk
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tttt Hi
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