#indieweb 2018-12-20

2018-12-20 UTC
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[tantek] https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/vbanny/we-should-replace-facebook-with-personal-websites
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[jgmac1106] hey everyone I made a template for the no-facebook webmention badge if anyone wants one and you are on silo-quits send me a tell and I will deliver a badge through webmentions
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[jgmac1106] https://indieweb.org/nofacebook-badge
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[jgmac1106] @gwg I am ready, you still in?
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GWG I am.
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GWG Actually, let me use a headset rather than the ful rig.
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[jgmac1106] okay starting up a hangout
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[jgmac1106] will be a working one for me, want to finsih the vita so I can focus on writing the documentation tomorrow
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Simple Location Version 3.5.0 Released" https://david.shanske.com/2018/12/19/simple-location-version-3-5-0-released/
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[asuh] https://twitter.com/iandees/status/1075526321533607937
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@iandees If I had more time in my life I'd start building a web community around sharing events/calendars. That seems to be the last thing that Facebook is useful for. (twitter.com/_/status/1075526321533607937)
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[asuh] Indieweb principles are basically a decentralized version of what he’s describing in this thread, but I can see a place for a site like upcoming.org being a catalyst to help people understand how more interconnected this all could be
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[tantek] Indeed. We should help upcoming adopt IndieWeb building blocks to help it aggregate decentralized events for discovery
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chrisaldrich jgmac1106: sorry I missed your earlier vHWC query. I was stuck with the 7yo all evening.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Some thoughts on: My Url Is (Episode 3) mostly around applying some indieweb concepts to the web accessibility space" https://www.customerservant.com/some-thoughts-on-my-url-is-episode-3-mostly-around-applying-some-indieweb-concepts-to-the-web-accessibility-space/
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[jgmac1106] !tell eddie add webmentions to each episode url, I tired sending one and I couldn't. Also schedule an episode with [arush]
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sl007 good morning indieweb
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[jgmac1106] morning
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Loqi greetings human
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sknebel [jgmac1106]: huh? myurlis has webmentions
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sknebel good morning!
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[jgmac1106] no I am saying it should on episode pages
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[jgmac1106] one issue with podcasting is commenting on a show. [chrisaldrich] builds a faux podcast feed just for commenting
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sknebel should display them? cause it has an endpoint
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[jgmac1106] yes, cool at least he is collecting them
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sl007 Guardian made a special "Year in Review" for Mark https://www.theguardian.com/technology/video/2018/dec/19/mark-zuckerbergs-facebook-year-in-review-its-not-been-the-best-video
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[jgmac1106] https://twitter.com/thalidanoel/status/1075745127791034369?s=19
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@thalidanoel @AGoldmund As someone who never gave up my personal domain, I think it'd work well for those who like talking into the void AND have the wherewithal to setup and manage their own domain #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1075745127791034369)
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[jgmac1106] Is the lead engineer at etsy and founder of lesbianswhotech, awesome web super hero!!
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[eddie] !tell jgmac1106 Yeah arush and I had scheduled an episode. Ended up not working out (my fault on the scheduling), but we're going to be scheduling a make-up interview in the new year
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [eddie]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 3 hours, 19 minutes ago: add webmentions to each episode url, I tired sending one and I couldn't. Also schedule an episode with [arush]
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[eddie] Yeah the myurlis website is minimum viable right now, but I definitely have it collecting webmentions
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[eddie] The goal is to show comments and listens, etc
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[jgmac1106] Sweet she was such a resource for me teaching
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Loqi [jgmac1106]: [eddie] left you a message 1 minute ago: Yeah arush and I had scheduled an episode. Ended up not working out (my fault on the scheduling), but we're going to be scheduling a make-up interview in the new year
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[jgmac1106] I am writing a post write now, "can I learn to display webmentions"
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[eddie] nice
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[jgmac1106] ... Well post is accidental blog... That will be the conclusing question.....
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[jgmac1106] Trying to force myself to finish migration before thinking about next one... Failing
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[jgmac1106] !tell eddie here it is, my son is really sick today so took awhile to push, working in fifteen minute nap sprints: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwECN4uVuHg&t=1s
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] oops wrong link
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[jgmac1106] !tell eddie here is post: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/12/20/i-accidentally-built-a-free-blog-on-glitch-for-the
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Greg McVerry] I accidentally built a free blog on @glitch for the #newwwyear challenge
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[eddie] Nice article, jgmac1106
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Loqi [eddie]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 11 minutes ago: here it is, my son is really sick today so took awhile to push, working in fifteen minute nap sprints: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwECN4uVuHg&t=1s
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Loqi [eddie]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 10 minutes ago: here is post: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/12/20/i-accidentally-built-a-free-blog-on-glitch-for-the
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[eddie] jgmac1106++
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Loqi jgmac1106 has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (94 in all channels)
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kisik21 good morning IndieWeb!
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[jgmac1106] hey @kisik21! After [tantek] told us about collapse being native in CSS I went and learned how easy it was...Pretty neat,
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kisik21 [jgmac1106]: I technically have content warnings in my site theme now but I don't have any posts using this feature
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kisik21 also I have rich reply contexts! but alas they require me to store the data myself and they don't fetch stuff...
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[jgmac1106] ...could webmentions.io it, but yeah need to build some storage if you don't want to, but don't want to get to -devy
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kisik21 webmention.io is for comments, i.e. posts that are replying to my posts
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kisik21 hm... maybe I should fetch reply contexts. IndieWeb, what's your opinion - should I archive posts I'm replying to or should I fetch them from origin every time (maybe with server-side caching?)?
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[tantek] kisik21 more of a # dev question, yet I think the answer is archive, so you have a snapshot of what you thought you replied to
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jacky !tell [eddie] how do I reschedule my interview with you?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jacky !tell [eddie] how do I reschedule my interview with you?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jacky lol dup
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jacky my bad
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[eddie] jacky Hey, you can use the original link I sent you. I marked some time around the holidays as unavailable so it should show the earliest time available as like Jan 7
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[eddie] If you don't have the link anymore i can resend it :thumbsup:
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jacky [eddie]: resending would be dope - if it's via email and more than three weeks old, it's gone lol
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[eddie] haha gotcha :thumbsup: I'll resend it via email rather than here, just because these channels are logged and it creates an actual event on my calendar 🙂
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jacky :) gotcha
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[alexbayleaf] hi folks, i joined a couple of weeks ago and have just been lurking (or really not reading that much at all, heh) but i've been interested in indieweb for as long as it's been around, and in 2019 i am thinking of doing a related sort of project and wanted to run it past you
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[alexbayleaf] basically i want to do some work around setting up a WordPress Multisite installation that uses some indieweb-lite principles. basically i'm aiming for your "generation 3" as per the wiki, but in an accessible, hybrid sort of way.
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[alexbayleaf] most importantly i want them to be doing POSSE in *some* form, even if they're using Jetpack Publicize
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[kevinmarks] Sounds good - ask in #WordPress about multisite
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[alexbayleaf] i'm familiar with multisite, i have no trouble with the technical side of this
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[alexbayleaf] i think i'm not very likely to be using a lot of your actual indieweb plugins as they're not ready for "generation 3", but i'm going to be pushing hard on the "own your own domain, use POSSE" stuff
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[alexbayleaf] i have two use cases i'm likely to set up. one is for nonprofits and community groups in my small regional city, where all of them have FB but barely know how to use it and have trouble reaching people. the other is for fans and NSFW content creators who've been banned by tumblr etc.
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[kevinmarks] If you're running the install, they should not nned to know about plugins, yes.
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[alexbayleaf] exactly
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[alexbayleaf] anything i can install with them basically not knowing about it, i will.
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[alexbayleaf] i want to encourage them to be thinking about data portability etc, too. for instance i'll install a good backup/export plugin by default for everyone, and set it to send them monthly backups at least.
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[alexbayleaf] and make it easy for them to operate a mailing list that sends their blog posts out to anyone who's interested
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[alexbayleaf] (not sure of the best way to implement that, but will find a way)
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[kevinmarks] I think there are a few that subscribe to a feed and post them out. Maybe feedburner.com still does
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[jgmac1106] [alexbayleaf] if that is the goal just use the built in WordPress reader with Jetpack.
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[jgmac1106] You can create similar reading experience... But you are pretty locked into WP blogs
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[jgmac1106] Or [alexbayleaf] wait until [jackjamieson] polishes up Yarns getting close.
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[jgmac1106] And @mblaney showed me unicyiclic, could just create a group in a social reader there and point a subdomain to social reader
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[jgmac1106] [alexbayleaf] finishing up this non profit site htttps://lcgnh.jgregorymcverry.com
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[alexbayleaf] [jgmac1106] this is not about reading experience. there are lots of RSS reader options for that.
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[jgmac1106] Ahh but part of the plugins create is ability to make your reading and writing experience in the same place, plus your NSFW folks can own content from their site.
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[jgmac1106] What do you want to accomplish with a multiuser WP IndieWeb site? Just curious to as to help you find right person with answer
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[alexbayleaf] i'm not looking for answers
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[alexbayleaf] i just wanted to let you know i'm working on it
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[alexbayleaf] and it's not strictly indieweb... i'd say it's indieweb-lite
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[alexbayleaf] but like, i want to be teaching them about stuff like POSSE
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[alexbayleaf] any indieweb stuff that is suitable for mostly-non-technical people i will integrate as much as i can.
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[alexbayleaf] i'm hoping it might be at least a conceptual onramp
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[jgmac1106] Ahh sorry for misunderstanding. Though the Facebook POSSE got almost impossible
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[jgmac1106] Check out and recommend micro.blog for non technical crowd as well
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[alexbayleaf] fb posse is doable to pages - and i'm mostly aiming at a small business market
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[jgmac1106] Interesting never thought about a Bridgy just for pages... Some people were fooling around with scraping emails as well
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[alexbayleaf] (which is what my actual business mostly serves - small bus and nonprofits)
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[jgmac1106] Yes thus nonprofit model I shared. I am literally moving that to client server (I am on board pro Bono) it is mutlisuer and has all IndieWeb stuff installed.
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[jgmac1106] If you can do anything an h-event plugin is tool all the IndieWeb nonprofit communities need
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[jgmac1106] ... I can't. I just cut and paste
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[alexbayleaf] i recently created https://ballaratbuzz.com.au/ for our local community
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[alexbayleaf] i'm working on a WP plugin to let them display events for any venue/organiser/category on their own site
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[alexbayleaf] that's using The Events Calendar Pro
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[alexbayleaf] it uses schema.org markup for each event
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[alexbayleaf] if someone made an h-event plugin to work with TEC i'd be into it 😉
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[alexbayleaf] anyway yeah ballarat buzz has more events on it than anyone has seen before, and we have a pretty active community posting their stuff there and subscribed to our what's on newsletter
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[alexbayleaf] i've customised jetpack publicize to crosspost events to the ballarat buzz FB page
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[alexbayleaf] though it needs some further work, because its handling of recurring events is shitty
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[alexbayleaf] if i set up my "ballarat community websites" multisite installation to have a plugin that's just "enter the URL of your organisation/venue from ballarat buzz here, get a calendar on your events page" i'll be pretty pleased with that